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Bec 2010-05-01 18:53
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I would, considering the tilted/rounded edges I think it's justified.

ysss 2010-05-01 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636630)
Well actually not.
Market share doesn't actually reflect sales - which have grown.

The US market is mainly Nokia-unaware and the top selling phone before the iPhone was/were the Motorola bla bla ZR.

iPhone has gained market share due to users migrating from a phone to another phone (not a smartphone) since the first iPhone can't even be called a mediocre feature phone. To those users the complexity of menus submenus, widgets, setups camera focus, etc(Symbian) would have been incomprehensible - instead, apple has gained market share by presenting basic features as "innovations" and introducing them to the basic user one step at a time.

Then there's android - and since it's not "cool" to not have an OS on any phone every low end piece of junk now has android - and android has the proper advertising which nokia doesn't.

Nokia - king of the world until 2008. Why only until 2008? Easy, they stopped producing high end devices after N82 and N95 (2007), don't ask me why but they even claimed there's no need for HWA in a phone :confused:
Symbian UIQ aka. Sony's touch symbian version went down (exactly because of low-spec devices IMHO but then there was the lack of standards such as USB and micro SD which already brings the iPhone down) and Nokia "smartly" decided it wasn't yet time for touch screen devices as the industry wasn't ready yet.
Nokia was right - since the first two iPhones were a complete mess - but that doesn't mean the users didn't want to go "touch" (I did:p)
So instead of making a bold move they decided to wait, exactly at the time when everyone else decided they belong to the mobile space as well.

Mistakes or not, things are slowly heading back where they used to be.
IMHO old dinosaurs (Nokia & Apple CEOs) have had quite a hard time adapting - at least Nokia has finally managed to do so.
Sure, their nominal revenue has grown, but when your company is still losing marketshare while doing that then it means you're not growing as fast as your sector is. That means you're still behind.

<snip>latter parts...</snip>
I think you've given good examples on why they've slipped behind.

Bec 2010-05-01 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 636717)
Sure, their nominal revenue has grown, but when your company is still losing marketshare while doing that then it means you're not growing as fast as your sector is. That means you're still behind.

<snip>latter parts...</snip>
I think you've given good examples on why they've slipped behind.
Yup but if you add sales numbers no two or three smartphone makers can rival nokia altogether. If you add phones to that too, then it's nokia and some other companies with puny sales.

Then there's the constantly expanding universe, but that doesn't mean that the Milky Way is getting smaller - hence Nokia's position allows them to continuously evolve since the cash flow is in no way decreasing.

As for slipping, N97 played a major role - it was expected to be a powerhouse and instead it was just another smartphone with a fancy design. Also nokia never used to release a "flagship" a year - competition does them good, N97 should have been like N8 IMHO.
But nokia never claimed it as the next big thing in smartphones, it was rumours and impatient users that made it seem so and their dissapointment can only be blamed on their own speculations.

ysss 2010-05-01 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636745)
Yup but if you add sales numbers no two or three smartphone makers can rival nokia altogether. If you add phones to that too, then it's nokia and some other companies with puny sales.

Then there's the constantly expanding universe, but that doesn't mean that the Milky Way is getting smaller - hence Nokia's position allows them to continuously evolve since the cash flow is in no way decreasing.

As for slipping, N97 played a major role - it was expected to be a powerhouse and instead it was just another smartphone with a fancy design. Also nokia never used to release a "flagship" a year - competition does them good, N97 should have been like N8 IMHO.
But nokia never claimed it as the next big thing in smartphones, it was rumours and impatient users that made it seem so and their dissapointment can only be blamed on their own speculations.
Bad analogies don't address the real issue.

IMHO that's apologist talk. Rumors and users expectation have to be managed or even exploited for their common benefit.

Bec 2010-05-01 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 636752)
Bad analogies don't address the real issue.

IMHO that's apologist talk. Rumors and users expectation have to be managed or even exploited for their common benefit.
Large companies happen to reach a status-quo regarding financial income and market share. When they're doing so well advertising and impassivity is forgotten.

I mean, look at microsoft, they couldn't give a lesser c**p. Don't remember ever seeing windows 7 ads or advertising and the OS sells by itself, despite the fact that vista = fail.

IMHO when you had an excellent day and closed 10 excellent deals, you can relax and leave an hour earlier :rolleyes:

Analogies and the smartphone market just don't work hand in hand.

rikisky 2010-05-01 21:35
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oh come shut up already, if you don't like nokia just don't buy it, stop trying to convince everyone else that you're right, it's all about taste, i freaking love my N900 even tho i'm no linux pro, and i don't get the best out of it because of that, i just love it's desing, and what it has to offer.... as for you said that nokia was on the top around the N95 era, i disagree... as much as the N95 had the best camera, the iphone was released around the same time, and it revolutioned the whole concept with the touch screen and the app store and all that crap.... it's all about taste, i bet someone would like the 12mp camera on the N8, as it records in HD, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVvH91_4Zsw and very nicely if you ask me, but i personally don't like it, as i need a qwerty keyboard since my E61i, but SHUT UP already, i'm sick of this, N900 is sux, they abandoned us, nokia sux, i want my money back and stuff, it's your mobil, YOUR choice.

gerbick 2010-05-01 22:04
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Nobody is trying to convince others that they are right pertaining how Nokia might be failing; the facts support that in certain sectors that might affect recent purchases and starts to explain why prior tablets were so quickly forgotten.

Some people are looking for reasons to purchase the N900 or the MeeGo device and they're not finding too many reasons that things will "stay the course". If a new CEO comes in, things will change. If the current CEO has to appease the shareholders, then the customer will just be a vehicle for them to line their pockets - and you will be further overlooked.

It's not a stretch to think like that; just like it's not a stretch for people to look at the global picture and see improvement and/or stability. Two markets are being ignored... Japan and USA. We know why Japan; most don't know why the USA. OPK stated that he'd raise brand awareness and share in the USA... didn't happen.

To have your market share drop some 65% while long-reaching plans are in place and a bunch of people aren't sure what they are because the lack of external communication... that's a problem. The shareholders are jumpy and that's usual. To have your stock go from ~$40 to ~$12, that's a problem. Knowing that you might buy a product and get even less support if your micro-USB port falls out, or you want bug fixes or you want to stay updated on the bits that the community can't update due to that part being a closed part on an open platform... that's a problem.

And this isn't about how the N900 sucks, or even how the N8 might suck. I personally don't think so. And yeah, I still stick by my assertion that it's a phone that the design I don't like. The phone has optics that will beat most of what's out there now. That's a plus...

It's all about getting the most features in a phone that will be sitting around and getting used by you for the next 2+ years. And if that means once you get the phone and won't get any updates - man times have changed, I remember getting no updates on a phone was the norm! - then people will look and talk about what the company is doing business-wise.

And if it's looking bad... people will doubt the future.

bandora 2010-05-02 04:00
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This thread should be moved to "Random Professional Business Analysts" section and not the off-topic section...

bonerp 2010-05-02 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636656)
If Nokia's smartphones are half-baked I don't know what phones aren't.
If I were to judge things like this I'd stick with fixed telephony and TV instead of a pc/internet.

But then again I have enjoyed XP and ubuntu for years and if I am to look back both of them were unbaked piece of craps compared to what they are today. We don't live back in Y2K when having a bug on a device meant it was ruined and the whole stock had to be recalled at the factory and reflashed.

So please tell me what company doesn't release "unbaked" devices so I might sell my house and car and buy as muck as I can of their stock.

I mean it, please tell me what company doesn't release "unbaked" devices?
I suggest you go try a couple of the new android devices - namely the GN1 / HTC Desire. Compared to my n900 experience from day 1 in November, its in another category. The n900 has improved substantially but basic features are still pretty crap. As stated before, very basic features such as phone, music, no sat nav,,,,,

I hope Nokia do a lot to improve its quality control before releasing phones. I will be sure to pick up market share if it does manage to evolve from where it is now.

Bec 2010-05-02 19:28
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You should consider that the N900 is a first of it's kind though and maybe compare it with one of the first androids.

Even so the Nexus one was a complete mess and I won't bother giving you the links to prove that google/htc still have a lot to learn about customer support and the fact that google isn't tailoring the devices themselves is androids greatest weakspot.

I know HTC from winmo times so phones built by them don't really inspire me, as for android... you do know it lacks basic features as auto updating the apps?

But I do agree that N900 wasn't built at all around the phone or music experience and there's a lot to improve. As for sat nav sygic does a fine job IMHO

Rauha 2010-05-02 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bandora (Post 637118)
This thread should be moved to "Random Professional Business Analysts" section and not the off-topic section...
Professional?

leetut 2010-05-02 20:20
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well i thought the n8 looked nice
and the n98 looks even better
if thats what they are:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/02/n...lider-brewing/

bxbomber 2010-05-02 23:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leetut (Post 639109)
well i thought the n8 looked nice
and the n98 looks even better
if thats what they are:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/02/n...lider-brewing/
bigger screen and hardwarre keyboard is a win in my book.

it prob won't have the same camera but i can live with that.

just wonder when they're going to announce/ leak the first meego phone.

buxz777 2010-05-02 23:57
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apparently the battery is removeable via two screws on the side of the device

it takes the same battery as the n97 mini

they opted for this design to keep the handsets design solid

wether or not removing the battery yourself will void warranty is another question and wether this design is final is also another question as this device in the pictures is a early proto

more here

http://mynokiablog.com/2010/05/02/pi...-the-nokia-n8/

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X134...he-nokia-n8%2F

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X134...he-nokia-n8%2F

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X134...he-nokia-n8%2F

Rauha 2010-05-03 00:04
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Originally Posted by buxz777 (Post 639420)
apparently the battery is removeable via two screws on the side of the device
I doubt that those screws are there in the final product. Looks very prototypish.

kryptoniankid17 2010-05-03 00:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 636630)
Well actually not.
Market share doesn't actually reflect sales - which have grown.

The US market is mainly Nokia-unaware and the top selling phone before the iPhone was/were the Motorola bla bla ZR.

iPhone has gained market share due to users migrating from a phone to another phone (not a smartphone) since the first iPhone can't even be called a mediocre feature phone. To those users the complexity of menus submenus, widgets, setups camera focus, etc(Symbian) would have been incomprehensible - instead, apple has gained market share by presenting basic features as "innovations" and introducing them to the basic user one step at a time.

Then there's android - and since it's not "cool" to not have an OS on any phone every low end piece of junk now has android - and android has the proper advertising which nokia doesn't.

Nokia - king of the world until 2008. Why only until 2008? Easy, they stopped producing high end devices after N82 and N95 (2007), don't ask me why but they even claimed there's no need for HWA in a phone :confused:
Symbian UIQ aka. Sony's touch symbian version went down (exactly because of low-spec devices IMHO but then there was the lack of standards such as USB and micro SD which already brings the iPhone down) and Nokia "smartly" decided it wasn't yet time for touch screen devices as the industry wasn't ready yet.
Nokia was right - since the first two iPhones were a complete mess - but that doesn't mean the users didn't want to go "touch" (I did:p)
So instead of making a bold move they decided to wait, exactly at the time when everyone else decided they belong to the mobile space as well.

Mistakes or not, things are slowly heading back where they used to be.
IMHO old dinosaurs (Nokia & Apple CEOs) have had quite a hard time adapting - at least Nokia has finally managed to do so.
I would say they are unaware of the hi end but cheap dumb phones they are well aware. Hell you can get a nokia for 25 bucks at a walmart or walgreens etc. And ive seen and know alot of people with nokias. U can even get a nuron for 5 bucks on t-mobile. I hear the nokia ring alot through my daily routine.

kryptoniankid17 2010-05-03 00:15
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Here goes the n8 user manual.

http://www.fonearena.com/blog/16474/...-shows-up.html

Hintry 2010-05-03 16:19
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Fascinating interview with Eldar Murtazin about Nokia's market prospects.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/05/0...-and-symbian3/

The man paints a pretty dismal picture...

Bec 2010-05-03 16:41
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Eldrar's reputation went on to the drain long ago together with sony's UIQ and not that sony's back on the track he's trying to make some room for them <= unprofessional for a journalist that's supposed to be impartial.

As for N8... I'm amazed... They actually use a normal battery with the same metallic + plastic insulation, aka in no way thinner than a normal battery => absolutley no gains from keeping it pseudo-non removable!

The bottom part could have easily been made to come off without any screws.

This are plain marketing tactics IMHO.

Kamen 2010-05-03 16:43
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Me personally, Nokia are Giants in the phone industry and have been for a long *** time. We'll have to keep waiting though, but when you think about it.

"VW" Built the Bugatti to say to people. Look this is what we can do, so you cant say we're sh*t now can you, so remember this day.

Everybody was hyped up with the AMD Processors for quite a few years, even me (Which im not ashamed to say) ;) then BOOM!!! Intel go you lot want to talk bad about us, f*ck it here you go. Intel i7 and the "i9" = i7 980x, and now its like sh*t... we all got shafted being sucked into AMD thinking they really could take on Intel. When they have been the masters for a long time i7-980x Is a complete Multi-Core monster and will make any other processor look incapable of being able to run an on-screen Calculator in comparison. That was their way of saying look at what we've done, remember this day.

As for "Nokia loosing it" you keep thinking that, im sure they have something in the pipelines so shock us all and make us feel like twats for all this negative (bias) views on them.

Peace

Laughing Man 2010-05-03 16:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamen (Post 640670)
Me personally, Nokia are Giants in the phone industry and have been for a long *** time. We'll have to keep waiting though, but when you think about it.

"VW" Built the Bugatti to say to people. Look this is what we can do, so you cant say we're sh*t now can you, so remember this day.

Everybody was hyped up with the AMD Processors for quite a few years, even me (Which im not ashamed to say) ;) then BOOM!!! Intel go you lot want to talk bad about us, f*ck it here you go. Intel i7 and the "i9" = i7 980x, and now its like sh*t... we all got shafted being sucked into AMD thinking they really could take on Intel. When they have been the masters for a long time i7-980x Is a complete Multi-Core monster and will make any other processor look incapable of being able to run an on-screen Calculator in comparison. That was their way of saying look at what we've done, remember this day.

As for "Nokia loosing it" you keep thinking that, im sure they have something in the pipelines so shock us all and make us feel like twats for all this negative (bias) views on them.

Peace
I have to admit I was one of those AMD people. Although they still build great CPUs if your interested in power efficiency and getting a bang for your buck (with overclocking).

I think when alot of people look at Nokia, they're just comparing individual devices. The N900, the N8. But they're missing the bigger picture of what Nokia is trying to do with the operating system. For example, having Meego and Symbian 3 be more than just a Nokia platform, having QT compatibility so an app coded in Symbian 3 can run in Meego [and Maemo 5], vice versa. Heck, the best smartphone may not even come from Nokia, it might be an HTC device running Meego. :D

Though I'll still be looking for my next mobile computer. :cool:

nosa101 2010-05-03 17:01
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I stopped reading at the whole iphone user experience nonsense.

Apple hasn't revamped the look of the iphone os since it came out.

Apple has cleaned it up and added more features. But the whole look (icons and all that crap) hasn't changed.

I like the way symbian looks. Why must an OS look like the android or apple for it to be accepted?

TheLongshot 2010-05-03 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 638988)
You should consider that the N900 is a first of it's kind though and maybe compare it with one of the first androids.
IMO, the N900 is certainly better than the G1, particularly since there wasn't really a way to work around the memory limitations that it had for installing applications, which we have done with the N900.

We are a bit behind where Google was with a for-pay store for applications, and we do have to deal with the QT transition and potential MeeGo transition as well, but Android has had issues as well to deal with.

Bec 2010-05-03 17:24
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@nosa101
I totally agree, symbian looks far more advanced than iph0ne and even android. I mean really... they don't even hav a proper desktop on iphone... just a bunch of icons thrown in there and they call it an "UI"... :|

@TheLongshot
Totally agree on that part I'd spend gladly on apps for N900... unfortunately there's not much to be spent on. Symbian on the other hand :D

danramos 2010-05-03 23:23
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Originally Posted by gryedouge (Post 635236)
:rolleyes: And all those forum posters who have been screaming that Nokia is falling apart and lost the plot will now feel vindicated :D
Perhaps. Or, perhaps the people who have been pointing out that Nokia should have provided a better customer experience will just go buy something somewhere else and THEN feel vindicated.

mrojas 2010-05-03 23:31
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You know, if its going to make them stop whining, "those people" could go and freaking buy a poster of Steve Jobs naked.

danramos 2010-05-03 23:44
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Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 641464)
You know, if its going to make them stop whining, "those people" could go and freaking buy a poster of Steve Jobs naked.
How do you know they aren't going nuts over an extra large pop-up poster of a naked Steve Balmer?

wmarone 2010-05-04 05:27
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 641485)
How do you know they aren't going nuts over an extra large pop-up poster of a naked Steve Balmer?
Figures, I wander down to this thread and see -that-.

Thanks. I don't have enough mind bleach to get that one out.

Hintry 2010-05-04 10:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 640667)
Eldrar's reputation went on to the drain long ago together with sony's UIQ and not that sony's back on the track he's trying to make some room for them <= unprofessional for a journalist that's supposed to be impartial.
Actually Eldar brings to light many pertinent points regarding Nokia. IMO the man's pretty insightful and goes a long way to explaining some of Nokia's current predicaments.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/05/0...-and-symbian3/

Extremely poor prior releases (N97 and X6)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
I have used N97 for six months. It’s a disaster. Anssi Vanjoki [Nokia VP] said that user experience with this device was catastrophic. I have been using Nokia X6 for 2-3 months, and, in terms of software, this device is very comparable with N97. So, I already have two devices that are bad, from software side. And when I’m writing about Nokia N8 – my main point – was about impressions. After bad devices, you have to impress the public, you have to show something very special. 12 megapixel camera is not enough.
N8 - good hardware, average software
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
On the other hand, I understand that N8 is a flagship device, and Nokia believes that this device will save the company, will save the brand, as technological leader. I do not believe in that, because, while Nokia N8 is a good product, it’s only “average”.

I see a lot of logical problems with this system [Symbian^3], because it’s based on the old system. It’s not bad, but it’s not up-to-date. It’s average.
BTW - I have occasional access to a prototype N8 :D and completely agree with Eldar. I was originally prepared to give Nokia the benefit of the doubt and expect that the N8 would be nicely polished and stable by September. But Eldar warns against such optimism and based on Nokia's track record, I believe him.

Conflicting business units
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
It’s connected to business processes inside Nokia, not Symbian^3 itself. It’s related to product teams, which developed particular products. They couldn’t come to agreement on order in which to place these icons of applications inside the phone.

It’s related to the business structure that I talked about before. And because of how the business process works, they couldn’t change this (for X6). My disappointment is mainly about this. Because for Nokia, now it’s very important to show that it can learn from their own mistakes. That they release a mature product into the market. Mature in terms of stability, in terms of features, etc;
It’s just one example. I discussed this issue with some top managers of Nokia, and they insist that they will change this in the near future… It was 3 or 4 years ago, and nothing changed. Everything’s the same in Symbian^3.
And this is not a new issue. British columnist Andrew Orlowski, wrote about it in 1997...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/02/nokia_new_coke/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Orlowski
Nokia's corporate in-fighting continues, although the idiotic divide between the consumer division, which Nokia calls "Multimedia" and Enterprise divisions was only resolved in the recent June re-organisation, which abolished both business units. This divide led to developers having to negotiate two citadels of corporate bureaucracy (and fill out two sets of forms) if they wanted to view the Symbian source code. It also led to idiocies such as Nokia crippling its business phones, the E-series, so phones such as the E61i and E65 don't sport a consumer-friendly feature such as Bluetooth stereo, found on its consumer N series. At the same time, Nokia for a while crippled its Mail For Exchange client so N-series owners couldn't install even this most basic enterprise client.
Sloooooow development
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
It depends on the speed of development. [Nokia N8] hardware, is nearly perfect. Actually I like this device. But it’s average, in terms of features that are not evolving. Because when you implement a feature like multi-touch, you can compare it to the first product with multi-touch – iPhone. And you have to show something special or [at least] on the same level. If you do not show it, you miss. Of course, Symbian^3 and Symbian^4 will support multi-touch typing in standard keyboard. The main question is – When? Will it happen in September, or will it happen with the major update, which is coming in February next year to N8, and some other devices? Who knows? But at the start of sales in September, it will definitely not support such features.
Lack of programming resources
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
And if we are talking about such glitches or mistakes, it’s not connected to the stability of software. It’s the logical issues in this system. They have a very short time, and a very small number of programmers who are coding for this system.
Wow, I find this remarkable. It's the last thing I would expect from a cash-rich company like Nokia.

Releasing flagship products that are not ready
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtazin
The main problem here is that you compare Nokia N8, which, is coming to the market in September, in best case. Well, maybe in some markets they’ll try to launch it in August. But I do not believe that Nokia will be able to launch N8 in early August with stable software. They could even launch it in June or July, but in that case it won’t be a stable software. If they launch it in August/September – it will be average in terms of stability, but it will be OK.

If we are talking about the old fashioned interface, ok. But when people will buy this product (Nokia N8), and find the same mistakes inside, it will be a very huge disappointment. And I do not believe, that until the launch, Nokia could change the business process just for one model, and fix all those glitches. They do not have money or time for that. And this is the same mistake that they have made before. They have not prepared enough to make a flagship device. For flagship, you have to make every effort to make a stable device, with stable software, hardware, etc;. Today they don’t have enough time even for testing N8, and it’s a pity. It will happen again, like with N97. Of course it won’t be as bad as with N97, but in any case we’ll see a lot of bugs in N8.
What strikes me about most of this - is that nearly all of Nokia's problems are self-inflicted and therefore avoidable.

zehjotkah 2010-05-04 11:04
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@Hintry
except that the N8 is not a flagship phone.

zwer 2010-05-04 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hintry (Post 642165)
Actually Eldar brings to light many pertinent points regarding Nokia. IMO the man's pretty insightful and goes a long way to explaining some of Nokia's current predicaments.
N8 is not Nokia's flagship, so much of his insightfullness. Need I remind you that you are praising an opinion of a guy who boldly claimed that the iPhone concept is a disaster and it will never sell?

He has lost all objectivity and I really don't know anyone who closely follows the industry who values his opinions and predicaments. Not to mention that he has that weird shifting fanboism synced to the marketing campaigns of various companies in Russia - he used to praise Nokia when Nokia was advertising heavily in Russia, now he praises Samsung - guess who's on the marketing role in Russia atm.?

Hintry 2010-05-04 11:15
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 642234)
@Hintry
except that the N8 is not a flagship phone.
Really? There's a lot of people calling it exactly that...

http://www.mybrandonline.com/2010/04...e-is-official/

http://www.sharenet.co.za/v3/news_disp.php?id=322075

zehjotkah 2010-05-04 11:53
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they're simply wrong :D

benny1967 2010-05-04 13:09
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 642253)
they're simply wrong :D
But ... they are on the internet!?! :eek:

Hintry 2010-05-04 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 642333)
But ... they are on the internet!?! :eek:
As is this.

Anyway, if N8 is not a Symbian flagship, then what is?

zehjotkah 2010-05-04 15:21
Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it
 
there is no more symbian flagship.

edit: is there s40 flagship??

ysss 2010-05-04 15:35
Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 641485)
How do you know they aren't going nuts over an extra large pop-up poster of a naked Steve Balmer?
That... while going nuts and jumping around yelling "developers developers developers dev..."

(jumpy nuts?)

Hintry 2010-05-04 16:06
Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 642570)
there is no more symbian flagship.

edit: is there s40 flagship??
OK I'll buy that - Nokia no longer has a Symbian flagship, only mid-range devices.

Hintry 2010-05-04 20:47
Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it
 
Part 2 of Eldar's interview...

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/05/0...about-eseries/

JayMontano 2010-05-04 21:13
Re: N8 - More proof that Nokia is losing it
 
"Flagship" maybe coming in Nokia World.

Nokia staff have said this is not THE flagship, suggesting there is one coming up.

That rumoured N98 has been around for a while known as the E7 (I hope that's NOT the flagship).

There's a lot of expectations for any device Nokia dares call a flagship (what with that cruddy N96 then N97 debacle) .

I hope this year, Nokia will learn what flagship means. It's not about having a camera flagship or a messaging flagship, i.e. diluting your hardware strengths.

Flagship means fastest, newest most heavily armed, leading the pack not only from your own portfolio but the rest of the market.

A lot of eyes are on Nokia to see if they will ever bring out anything that has that combination to take on their rivals. Anything less than spectacular is a fail.

As for N8, what is it? It's one heck of a camera/video smartphone which will have a lot of mass market appeal. Non removable battery won't be an issue for majority of customers and if you needed to replace it later on in its life, you can. Just remove those screws and pop in another BL-4D standard battery.

N8 ticks a lot of boxes. It now just rests on whether they'll polish S^3 in time so that the user experience can match the great hardware.

Ideally the flagship would just be the N8, with bigger battery, bigger higher res screen, still having the imaging features - xenon/hd (i doubt the xenon), better processor, more RAM and have MeeGo.


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