Re: N900 graveyard
 

Aww, did I hit a nerve? Does the truth hurt? Project much?

My point being, that such products are not free. People do expect to pay for them. Often they are considered end-user devices. The end-user is expected to be someone smart enough to make use of them in home projects or small-run products they then re-sell. They're also expected to research them enough to choose the right product for them, or to not complain that it doesn't do X Y or Z when it was never advertised to do such things.

Yes, even as an end user, not every device handles everything. Were you on the iPhone boards when they initially came out whining about them not supporting MMS? Did you whine there every month for 13 months about how they didn't see a single software upgrade, and that this phone line is unsupported and dead? Did you complain about the low bandwidth in 3G because of the explosion of iPhone users, and how most people were carrying a second phone because the iPhone as a phone was crap? If not, why are you doing it here?

You've yet to address anything factual said to you:

The phone never claimed to do MMS, yet there was an app available within a month of launch to support it. It works fine as a phone for 98% of the use cases out there, and what little it doesn't do (namely SDDS) is being fixed rather rapidly. It's had 2 major software updates in under 6 months, with another one mere days away, a better support record than virtually any device I've owned or heard about in my entire life in the tech industry.

I love this device. It's more than I expected it to be, and I had the bar set pretty high to start with. It does things one can't do on most netbooks, yet alone one that's also phone. You don't like it, sucks to be you, if you hate it so much sell it and go get something you like. (Assuming you even own one, which I doubt.)

In any case, if you're not looking to do something constructive to help build this device and this community up, you're not needed. We've gotten your input... you don't like it. You've stated your case and your reasons. Great. We've ever recorded it here for posterity. We don't need to hear why you dislike it in every thread on the forum for the rest of our lives.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Some people call it feedback.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

As long as this community goes on, than so will all the missing features of the Nokia N900 be covered, like MMS.
FMMS, covers it.
MeeGo does present a problem, and personally I hate it, I love the UI on the Maemo5, and i just love it. I do admit it has its bugs, and this and that, but generally I LOVE my Nokia N900.
My second life.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

It maybe hard to see but I want the n900 to succeed. Similarly I don't like to see users with bricks not for for their purpose when they could have bought 5 different better suited devices for the same price.

Anyway, my points are here like you said.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

And if the feedback is pro-Nokia N900, it seems like it's all okay with these forums.

Mind you, I'm not attacking you, nor pointing you out directly... but seriously, that's pretty damn sad. Somebody has legitimate grievances, a lot of you people attack.

Somebody heaps praise, and you people adore that. Sheesh. Why not be in the middle and see why somebody loves it as well as see why somebody dislikes it...

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Commiserating? How so? You have said in several threads you don't even own an N900. How can you commiserate about something you know nothing about? Why are you even here?

I don't own a Voltwagon, and am disappointed that they haven't put out a decent car in a couple decades. But I haven't signed up to a VW board to bemoan what a piece of crap the Jetta is, or how their next year models look like tin cans on wheels.

Why are you and your fellow green-skinned kin sticking around here, chatting about something you don't own and know nearly nothing about? Can you answer that simple question? Any of the trolls? Please?

Re: N900 graveyard
 

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Have you ever supported a sports team woody?

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Ok dude, you've been following me around long enough. Let's get this out, cleared up to where even a simpleton as yourself can fully understand.

Point 1: I've been here since OS2006. I bought a 770, loved it. I stuck around, bought a N810 when they were first released. Still love it. Why would I still be here? Because I wanted to have a decent cellphone based on the Maemo OS that I actually do like... quite a ****ing bit.

Point 2:Why didn't I buy a N900? Easy... I've said this before your troll *** ever signed up... I don't want to go through another waiting period like I had to go through with the Apple iPhone - which, I've gotten each and every iteration of that platform for free. Now... does that mean I'm not curious about the N900? No dumbass, I still like Maemo.

Point 3:I've generated documents to help out those stuck on OS2008. I've tried to keep the ****ing peace when screaming idiots like yourself keep popping up and ultimately making a mockery of these MAEMO FORUMS that house not only N900 owners, but legacy Maemo device owners. I come here because this is where the information is located. What exactly have you ever done other than rant and rave and ultimately make newcomers think that you represent the majority, instead of being that silent, idiotic minority that you should be whilst here. Simply put... learn to shut up.

And yet, I still have to justify my ****ing presence to a lowly cretin like yourself somehow. Seriously, place me on ignore, leave me the **** alone. Don't like that I'm here, you deal with that and address me never again.

It's spelled Volkswagen. And I've owned one in the past, and when I was looking to purchase another, I decided not to, bought Ford stock when it was incredibly low, then bought a Ford Mustang. Later down the line, I might return to a Volkswagen...

Apply that to the Nokia N900 and my current ownership of my Apple iPhone. Read that even though I might enjoy it now, I'd rather be elsewhere. Savvy?

Sounds like a personal problem to me. You'll be ok. Other options exist. Explore them.

I know more about it than you might. Not only have I used one, I have access to one. I'm waiting on a compelling reason to purchase my own. I refuse to wait for the platform to grow, or in this case, die. Twice bitten by Nokia pertaining Maemo has made me shy.

Even a person of your caliber can understand that. Now... begone. You're quite the troll.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Yes, starting a thread with a name "Nokia N900 graveyard" and then proceeding to insult anyone that actually LIKES the N900 is clearly constructtive and sure to garner sympathy. Silly me...

V.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Please... show me where he has a legitimate grievance? The op on this one posted that his main reason for selling was lack of MMS (not legitimate, the phone does MMS), and lack of apps. Considering he didn't look hard enough to find the repositories mentioned in the user documentation shipped with the phone, I'm calling that an illegitimate grievance too.

I've got no problem with people with legitimate greivances. If someone downs the phone and sells it because it doesn't have a decent GPS client (well, before Maemo Mapper and/or Sygic) then I understand that. If they down it for not having Exchange support for their corporate mailbox, that's legitimate. But if you're going to down it for something it already does, and does well? And continue to say the lies about it after you've been told it lots of other threads that that's just not true? No... You won't be tolerated.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Wah wah. Seriously dude, get a new tone.

You won't be tolerated... noob.

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[edit]**** to answer your "question"... OP states a lack of apps. He's right.

No, the phone doesn't do MMS. fMMS does MMS. And it is not integrated because the phone bits are closed.

Let's see... there are a lack of apps. Let's start with... is there a wifi-file app like Air Sharing on the iPhone? Nope.

Is there a method to sync easily with the Mac (not that convoluted manner to do it). Nope.

Is there a compass? Is there a CNN app that allows for quick viewing of location specific video and news instead of having to pare down the entire website via the browser? Is there a tilt-shift photo editing app? What about a video editing app? What about a FCC broadband test app? Or an integrated Box.net app? Or perhaps a... you get my point. For each of the aforementioned apps, they exist on the web. But they don't all exist as an installed, location aware app. And that, from a consumer level is lacking. Deny that as you may, it's the stone cold truth that most consumers will not find compelling reasons to make the switch from Android or iPhone - but that's not what I'm talking about at all now. I'm talking about the OP that didn't find what he was looking for... not you. Not me. Him. Be less egocentric for a moment, and you'll see that.

Find me the repository that has Fring. Please. I want their ability to stream in Skype video.

And you're the one that declares it legitimate? N00b please.

You seriously are one self-absorbed troll. Begone.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Ouch that was a smackdown.

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I really don't want to get into the middle of this.. as I think you've both gone off your meds..

But fMMS has really gotten to the point that it's seriously hard to tell the difference between "integrated" or not.

In fact, it pretty much feels integrated to me because I have the "extra pidgin protocol extensions to contacts" or whatever installed - and each different IM service, while integrated into my contacts now, has their own "conversation" window.

So I have a conversation window for Facebook, AIM, Gtalk, SMS, and MMS. It all "feels" the same.

Now granted, it would be nice to have *all* communication with a particular contact inside a single convo window.. but meh. Not that big of a deal..

Re: N900 graveyard
 

The fact that I have to justify why I'm here, in a forum and have been here for 3 years... and I'm the one off my meds!?

To hell with that notion. It's as "integrated" as it is cleverly tacked on.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

I am in awe of the potential of this device but at the same time I am afraid I will do something to really screw it up. As a noob I feel fortunate there is a active community of knowledgeable gurus here to help us less talented in the ways of linux find our way. Seems there is a steep learning curve but that is part of the experience. If I get too overwhelmed I can always fall back to my Blackberry 9700...which seems so ordinary and boring now. I am probably the type of user that should be using something easier to work with but what is the fun in that?
Thanks guys.
Doc

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Yea.. for the one person who spit this out on others who can get affected.
1 to how many? There is also couple of psychological terms to describe this behaviour and doing more damage.

I write it here.
I was full of respect to you when I noticed you are my brother in arm in terms of profession, Flash developer.

I lost it when I see that you are opt-in iPhone 4G and complaining about many things on this forum. Are you going to support company who pissing on you? Telling you tones of lies and you gonna believe?

Do you know why Flash gurus are called themselves evangelist?

Why you complaining about N900 so much then? Are you looking for justification why you are just another guy who's bought all this lies?

Re: N900 graveyard
 

I agree with you that people need to stop telling you to go away and ask why you're here...

But damn you've gotten a bit grumpy :p.

It's integrated enough for me, anyway.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Wouldn't you get a little grumpy? Hell, I'm still trying to justify a N900 purchase and I'm steadily put off from buying one because then I'll go from being "you don't own one now" to "your N900 probably was built after mine!"... I CAN'T WIN!

Oh, trust me. I've seen what's been going on with it and it's pretty darn cool. It's just a sticking point for me that somehow the phone bits are closed. Sorta odd.

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... I think you need to step back a little then. I do not know you, many users, especially new ones, do not know you. Thus what I am reading is that your high post count sanctifies you as a minor deity on this forum and thus your opinions and attitudes are more valid than mine for example with my puny...what is it 20 posts or so...

Also, I found your previous post offensive (EDIT: this one ). Name calling does not belong in a public forum not dedicated to name calling and inventive use of former medical terms and language regardless of "who started it first".

V.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Search how that dude has approached me in the past. I've endured his taunts more than once, first time I've directly responded.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

This is true.. unfortunately I don't think it's changing, is it?

I suppose it could get better once the first proper (with UI) MeeGo comes out right? Supposed to be this month...

Re: N900 graveyard
 

No, it's not changing. But this is where I get confused... perhaps Ofono was positioned (once in the past) to replace the closed phone bit(s) with an open version?

Hadn't thought of that. I dunno... it's my position to learn from you guys!

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Following you around? No chance that it's because we're both in the same forum? Or that I find your constant mantra about what the N900 can't do (like MMS), despite evidence to the contrary (fMMS) to be annoying? Especially since you don't own one, and can't be told by people that do that functionality exists and works well? No, no... I must be a stalker...

That's a valid concern. I was reluctant to jump on board too, having been burned by a similar device in the past year. (The Neo FreeRunner, maybe you heard of it?) Happily you were not posting much when I read the forums here, or I may have written the N900 off.

But as a counter point, that doesn't excuse you for continuing to say things that are NOT true about the N900 when people who own the device repeatedly correct you.

Also as a counter point, when I arrived as a "noob" six months ago there were 5 thousand topics with tons of posts. I didn't read all the posts from the 700 series forum, sorry. I figured anything pre-800 was pretty much so far past that it wasn't going to have a huge impact on the 900. And since you've failed to mention even once in any past discussion (you know, the one's I've been "following you around" in) that you ever owned such a product, it's pretty easy to see why I wouldn't know that.

I can... You see, I have access to one too, being someone that bought one. I use it every day, as my primary phone, and love it.

Tell me, how would you feel if I told people they shouldn't buy a N770 because it's crap, and didn't even have wifi? How would you feel if I kept saying that, even after you'd proven that it has wifi? How would you feel if I kept "commiserating" with others saying equally false things about the N770, when I didn't even own one, and was basing it on some previous device Nokia sold, and "having access" to one?

Do you see how what you're doing could piss people off? Or make them want to challenge why you're even here? Look back at the last couple dozen posts you've made and tell me if you can find one that wasn't saying something negative about the N900. Can you do that?

Says the loud mouth... dissing a product he doesn't own. Your recent posts in 900-based threads, outnumber mine by far.

You have an ignore button too... I address whom I please, when I please. You don't get to dictate that. That said, understand, I have no qualm with you, unless you're saying things that are untrue.

I think the bigger issue here is that you think you're "superior" in some way for having been here longer. You're not. In fact, your jaded attitude is a major downer, and self-defeating if you really want to see the N900 take off. You have probably dissuaded more people from trying the N900 with your negative (and in at least one case false) statements about it than I have with my "attitude".

Let that sink in for a bit...

I'm here because I enjoy this device, and am actively helping improve it. I'm here to challenge people saying things that aren't true about the N900, and to learn more about it myself. Again, why are you here? Not much is happening with the N770 in this forum any more. Most of your posts have been about the N900, and have been negative. Why?

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Name one thing I've said that was not true about the N900. I'll wait for the quote.

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I have hundreds of apps listing on my app manger. There are maybe 3 that repeat functionality, most are unique functions. I don't call that a lack of apps. The OP (who's hit-and-run and is now gone, leaving you to defend him) probably never made it past the OVI store. Probably never added any of the repositories to his device, or even opened the app manager to see what was in it.

Clearly he never found fMMS, which is widely discussed in this forum, and is clearly an app he wanted. Instead he probably read a post like yours saying the phone doesn't support MMS, and got frustrated and left. Thanks chucking that potential user out the door, btw.

See, this is an example of where owning a phone would help. You could check this out for yourself. Sure, we don't have 50 versions of the fart app like Apple. But what's there is quite useful.

Quite a nit-pick... The iPhone bits are also closed, and didn't have MMS for over a year after it's launch. Don't you own an iPhone? Hypocrite much?

fMMS is so tightly integrated now that it's nearly indistinguishable from the phones native software. Again, if you owned one, you'd know that, but you refuse to believe it when 3 other owners tell you as much. Continue to live in ignorance if you must, but that won't stop me from correcting you.

There's a database format for the message sub-system, an open API, which fMMS has be shifting toward. In fact, the phone bits around messaging are well documented, and a rich API exists to talk to it. It may not be 100% open source, but it is well documented. It beats the hell out of reverse-engineering how Apple does it and trying to integrate into their non-documented API.

Want a 100% open-source phone? I have a FreeRunner, completely open source. It even uses ofono! I'll sell it to you for cheep, but then I'm sure you wouldn't want to wait for the platform to develop.

That's your gripe, not the ops. And again, plenty of devices don't support the mac because they are a closed platform. Funny how you don't want your phones stack to be closed source, but you're fine with your whole phone and your computer being totally closed. Again, I call hypocrite.

Did you not read where I said, admittedly we don't have 8000 apps? I take no fault in the op having an issue. I also take no offense that he sold his phone to get something else. I take offense to him coming here, after selling it, to do nothing but gripe about something he'd already given up on, and claiming it couldn't do things that it clearly does.

Nobody here is saying the device is perfect. Nobody is saying the op didn't have legitimate issues. What we are saying is if you're going to show up and whine about something, do it while you still own the phone so the community has a chance to help you out, and show you things you've missed. Seeing as how he didn't find fMMS, an app he clearly wanted, maybe the other apps he's moaning about were also present, but he just didn't find them. Wouldn't it have been nice to have him come here asking about them first, and not just doing a drive-by after ditching the phone? But then I'm sure some "authority" told him the phone doesn't do MMS...


Found it, it's right next to the one for the iPhone. Oh, wait, you don't have access to that either, because it's a commercial product. Tell me, where is your app for JoikuSpot? I have that on my phone... Oh, wait, Apple denies you from having anything tethering unless you jailbreak and void your warranty. So sad...

Really, we could do this all night.... It's pointless.

Clearly you're so full of yourself that you think your old tired opinions mean something. Base your thoughts on my phone from 2010 on your knowledge of an ancient tablet from 2005, be my guest. But know this: If you lie (not nit-pick) about the N900, or bad mouth it, or mis-represent it, I'll be there to call you out. Even if you ignore me, I'll have my post, and everyone else will see it. This isn't just to you, but to any troll I see saying false things about the phone on this forum. (Or "nit-picking" about if the phone does it or an app does it...)

I'm tired of seeing people like you bad mouth something you know nothing about, and say things that while "technically" true, in spirit is a lie. I'm not going to stand around and let the negative Nancies post away without something following them up to call them out. You don't like that? Too bad. I'm not going to tell you to leave, but I'm not going to go away either, or change how I operate here.

So, you go right on ahead spouting your negativity about the N900, based on nothing. Consider yourself the second coming if you like. I don't care. But you can't make me go away, try as you may. Even your "seniority" here doesn't grant you that power. And in case it's not clear from the posts of myself and others here, because you're acting like a spoiled hypocritical child, you've lost what little respect that seniority may have once garnered you.

Now scamper off an play with your iFart app...:D

Re: N900 graveyard
 

It's ok. I have Fring for my N810. Works great too. It'll be out for the N900 soon enough, btw. Just not today yet though.

Toodles. It was nice playing along with you. I've added you to my ignore list. You might want to do the same.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

No... I find that rather pointless as well. I love to play sports, but am no disillusion enough to think that me screaming from my couch at a television will have any effect on how an overpaid athlete decides to hit/kick/throw a ball. Professional sports is a pacifier for those that are too unfit to play actual sports with those around them.

I tend to look at things in my life that I can change, either through changing myself, or causing the change I want. Those things I can not change, I re-examine to see if I can effect them at all, and if not, I learn to accept them.

Though I'm not sure what my view on professional sports has to do with this conversation? :o

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Was fun.... come back any time. And no, thanks, I generally don't ignore people. I like to see what people say to/about me, even if it's negative. Not that I at all consider you an enemy (I don't, at worst you're an adversary), but I live by the motto "Keep your friends close, and you enemies closer." It's always good to know what those who think negatively of you are up to. :cool:

Re: N900 supports mms!
 

Hmmm...let me think. Oh, I know. My FRICKING 3 year old IPHONE allows me to raise and lower the volume when i'm listening to music without having to unlock the phone (i.e. slide to unlock).

You sir...well, you're just plain silly. I used to not understand why people used to call me an Apple fanboy for my (former) love of and devotion to all things Apple. But now I see what I was like back then.

It's sad.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

yeah. I would love to be able to reach in my pocket and adjust the volume. It's kind of a pain to pull out the phone, unlock, adjust, lock, then put it pack in. Hardly a dealbreaker, but it would be nice.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

@woody-thanks for being positive influence on using the N900. I am a complete novice but just started going thru the linux courses in linux.org to try and learn some things. I am downloading Debian ISO file and will install on a older laptop and try and learn how to play with linux.
Doc

Re: N900 graveyard
 

while I dont necessarily agree or disagree with the rest of your post, i am going to object here. Have you really thought about this? Good luck finding an 'utterly pointless' application... they are all legit, all have a purpose. Maemo 5 must have the highest % useful apps out of ANY OS... I've found one 'iphone' app so far, the candle flickering app...

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Hey! That candle flickering app came in very handy when I wanted a romantic dinner with my old woman/ :p

Re: N900 graveyard
 

You will find that the iStuff is very different from most other things. Most things, when locked, do not let you meddle with them until unlocked. Want some fun? Try your iPhone headset with mic on the N900 (or any non-iPhone with a 4-pin jack). Apple decided to not follow the standard used by everyone else and swapped the mic and ground pins, just because. For most people, lock means lock. Not lock a few things... lock everything.

That said, this IS the N900 we're talking about. I'm sure there's a way of changing the locking mechanism to allow some keys through if you really want to. Search for threads on locking, and if nothing exists yet, ask in a new thread. You may have the next hot app idea... Not one I'd install, but apparently several people want it. That's the great part about open source, if you don't like something, you can change it! :)

Thanks, I think? Not sure how that pissing match inspired you, but... Bravo. :) Learning something new is always it's own reward. Worst case you'll learn a little more about how some of the insides of your N900 already work. If Debian is a bit too daunting, Ubuntu is also a good alternative to check out. MeeGo is going to be a little more that direction, though the differences in most places are minor. Ubuntu can be a little simpler to cut your teeth on at times though, since it tends to be the most automated of the bunch, at least as far as setup/startup is concerned. Good luck!

Re: N900 graveyard
 

And I've used to coin-flip app at least twice. :)

Honestly, a good chunk of the stuff in the OVI store does suck. All the more the shame, since that's what people see by default. All the good stuff is hidden in devel. :rolleyes:

There's been a lot more migration to Extras in general though. So hopefully when PR 1.2 comes out, things will change for the better. Maybe OVI will have a new trick and try to re-open the pay side again once it rolls out? Happened last time...

Half the reason I want to get PR 1.2 right away is to hit the OVI store to finally buy part 2 of Angry Birds before it get's taken down again. :p

Re: N900 graveyard
 

Understood, but it would make a lot of sense to make it so that if you are listening to music, the volume rocker is accessible. When you're not listening to music, then fine, lock the hell out of those buttons. Sine I know it can be done, it just makes it that much more disappointing that something so common sense hasn't been implemented on a device like the N900.

In any case, we kinda got off track. My only point was that there are legit things that disappoint and frustrate N900 users and others shouldn't be so quick to jump on them. No more posts from me on this thread. Gonna go play WOW.

Re: N900 graveyard
 

He has mutated...he is now Troll 1.2 :D

Re: N900 supports mms!
 

Yes. Its stupid. They broke it in last FW-update and looks like they fixed it in next 1.2.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8011