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aspidites 2010-05-09 02:54
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mornage (Post 650018)
OK, I see what you mean. I thought you were referring to my post, but I had read all of the thread and my feedback was not duplicated which is where my confusion came from. I see now that you were referring to the T9 post(s).
No. Your request was perfectly fine :-). Thanks for adding i to bugzilla, BTW.

ossipena 2010-05-09 12:48
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
as far as I know you should be able to search bugzilla and view bugs without account. so if you insist posting feature request here, read the list of already created ones through before posting.

and wiki is the place for changes, most recent versions etc.

sygys 2010-05-10 05:55
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
for some reason i cant post in the bugzilla so i do it here.

Now in the latest version the virtual keyboard isnt poping up. Thanks for that! but for some reason im not able to typ in the number text field. also an edded person cant be deleted with backspace. if you hit the number text field and use the backspace on the layout of the screen you will delete the message instead of the number. with the backspace on the n900 keyboard it indeed works. but not very handy to have the keyboard slide out when texting in portrait.

aspidites 2010-05-10 05:59
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sygys (Post 651278)
for some reason i cant post in the bugzilla so i do it here.

Now in the latest version the virtual keyboard isnt poping up. Thanks for that! but for some reason im not able to typ in the number text field. also an edded person cant be deleted with backspace. if you hit the number text field and use the backspace on the layout of the screen you will delete the message instead of the number. with the backspace on the n900 keyboard it indeed works. but not very handy to have the keyboard slide out when texting in portrait.
I can confirm this. Actually, it's been around since day one, and I never bothered to look at it. I'm currently busy working on the plugin system, but I'll take a quick peak at this to see if its easy enough to change. I think someone posted a patch to this already...** searches previous posts for said patch **

I've fixed this in my branch. Numbers are automatically recognized in the receiver text box, and backspace works as well. Everything else works as it did before.

@ossipena: If you haven't had time to check out the rest of my changes, here is the relevant diff. (note: the revision afterward simply removes debug print statements, so it's irrelevant).

ossipena 2010-05-10 06:44
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 651283)
I can confirm this. Actually, it's been around since day one, and I never bothered to look at it. I'm currently busy working on the plugin system, but I'll take a quick peak at this to see if its easy enough to change. I think someone posted a patch to this already...** searches previous posts for said patch **
there is a patch. will add it to my repo probably this week.

and being honest it isn't a bug, it is intended behaviour in order to get the first version out asap.

so the kb modifies only message field, not the number field.
(and keep in mind there isn't any magical APIs to portrait text input, everything has been written from zero....)

aspidites 2010-05-10 06:52
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 651329)
there is a patch. will add it to my repo probably this week.
Does the patch you are talking about take into account that the receiver text view should only accept numbers? If not, mine does.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 651329)
and being honest it isn't a bug, it is intended behaviour in order to get the first version out asap.
Thats what I figured, which is why I didn't ***** about it. :p Plus, if you haven't figured it out by now, if I'm not satisfied with something I simply hack it and hope for the best:D

anismistry 2010-05-10 07:11
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
what about QWERTY keyord in portrait mode for SMS,

ossipena 2010-05-10 07:21
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anismistry (Post 651350)
what about QWERTY keyord in portrait mode for SMS,
it will probably be added as an option later on. the dream would be fully configurable keyboard (and aspidites is doing heavy work in order to make it happend)

Thiis 2010-05-10 20:00
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Oh this is awesome!!!
The more portrait apps, the better!:)

Thanks ALOT

SkyEagle 2010-05-10 20:21
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Hi guys !

GREAT JOB...keep improving it ...We really need similar apps (and I never understand why no one has start develop this app before) !

T9 would be great to implement. I know it's Nokia but, since Nokia had not implement on N900 T9 yet or don't want to do it , why doens't Nokia give the right to use in this program the T9 code ?
T9 is the best to write sms with only one hand and some times it's even better than a normal full keyboard...Please try to implement something similar, if possible.

Anyway....thanks for what you're doing !!

InoHacker 2010-05-11 00:27
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
It maybe intresting somebody, for example russian user, here russian edition version for VertSms. Changes:
1. Russian number (ex. +7(code)1234567 and 8(code)1234567) work correctly.
2. Russian interface and ability to send messages to Russian
http://s04.radikal.ru/i177/1005/63/f7ccad7b9051.jpg


This only little patch, and he need install original prog.

I'am sorry for my bad english :eek:

ossipena 2010-05-11 06:13
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by InoHacker (Post 652567)
It maybe intresting somebody, for example russian user, here russian edition version for VertSms. Changes:
1. Russian number (ex. +7(code)1234567 and 8(code)1234567) work correctly.
2. Russian interface and ability to send messages to Russian
http://s04.radikal.ru/i177/1005/63/f7ccad7b9051.jpg


This only little patch, and he need install original prog.

I'am sorry for my bad english :eek:
please use the development thread in the future if you have patches, mods etc.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=643856

ps good that there is interest to modify the app.

aspidites 2010-05-11 06:25
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
perhaps gettext integration would be ideal? Would make it easier for different translations to be created. If a package is made, perhaps "vertsms-l10n-ru' would be a good idea for the above?

slender 2010-05-11 06:29
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 652779)
perhaps gettext integration would be ideal? Would make it easier for different translations to be created. If a package is made, perhaps "vertsms-l10n-ru' would be a good idea for the above?
Why different translation need to be made if you can take all the stuff from OS own localisation?

aspidites 2010-05-11 06:36
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 652781)
Why different translation need to be made if you can take all the stuff from OS own localisation?
Size. If all the translations are in the same program then it will grow exponentially, and on a mobile device space is precious. Plus, I don't want to download 10000 languages when all I can really understand is English and Korean.

This consideration is far more important IMHO than convenience. Another alternative would be to have the translation files on a server somewhere and have them downloaded on first run.

Not saying any of this should be considered now or in the near future though...

slender 2010-05-11 07:56
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 652787)
Size. If all the translations are in the same program then it will grow exponentially, and on a mobile device space is precious. Plus, I don't want to download 10000 languages when all I can really understand is English and Korean.

This consideration is far more important IMHO than convenience. Another alternative would be to have the translation files on a server somewhere and have them downloaded on first run.

Not saying any of this should be considered now or in the near future though...
hmmmm. I meant that why should you use localisation separately in your program if all localisation is in OS itself. I assume that you can use localisation from maemo itself?

InoHacker 2010-05-11 12:49
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 652881)
hmmmm. I meant that why should you use localisation separately in your program if all localisation is in OS itself. I assume that you can use localisation from maemo itself?
localization can be done, but only interface. For message delivery in different languages use different encoding PDU-package.
For example, for russian language use 8-bit encoding, with the size of each character - 2 bytes.
That is why the maximum length of the message of 70 characters instead of 160.

slender 2010-05-11 14:24
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by InoHacker (Post 653342)
localization can be done, but only interface. For message delivery in different languages use different encoding PDU-package.
For example, for russian language use 8-bit encoding, with the size of each character - 2 bytes.
That is why the maximum length of the message of 70 characters instead of 160.
I understood that that was the case here. So i just wondered that why should develeopers do localisation by themselves if itīs already integrated to Maemo. I do not know how it really works but feels just so weird that only way to implement multilangual simple interface is to use your own language localisation.

deans6571 2010-05-11 17:31
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
.......just tried this app - amazing!!! Who would have thought we could actually text in portrait on our N900?!!!!

.....at the moment - is there a way to enable Capital letters?! I tried hitting everything but just could not work it out......?!

The icing on the cake for this app will be (IMO) T9 texting mode.........

Keep up the good work.........

aspidites 2010-05-11 19:32
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 653549)
I understood that that was the case here. So i just wondered that why should develeopers do localisation by themselves if itīs already integrated to Maemo. I do not know how it really works but feels just so weird that only way to implement multilangual simple interface is to use your own language localisation.
http://docs.python.org/library/gettext.html

The program must be location aware. Further, it must know what strings can be localized.

Further, localization strings must be provided. The OS being local aware means nothing for the programs written for that OS.

aspidites 2010-05-11 19:40
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deans6571 (Post 653891)
.......just tried this app - amazing!!! Who would have thought we could actually text in portrait on our N900?!!!!

.....at the moment - is there a way to enable Capital letters?! I tried hitting everything but just could not work it out......?!

The icing on the cake for this app will be (IMO) T9 texting mode.........

Keep up the good work.........
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10139 and
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=41

In short, both are known issues. For future reference, please check the issue tracker and/or submit a new ticket. Thanks.

pantera1989 2010-05-11 19:45
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Hi I have this input to test:

1. v0.3 is not starting but this may be more related to my phone that the app itself. I have a number of apps that wont start lately. Maybe my QT was screwed up or something. I have to still determine the culprit.

2. Using v0.2 the # key should be used to differ between abc, ABC and 123

3. Clicking on the textbox brings up the landscape qwerty keyboard.

4. In future and more stable versions one might consider integrating this with the virtual keyboard. You may try and editing a button on the virtual keyboard to trigger this app and launch it.

So far that's what I got. Incidentally does someone know if vertsms, healthcheck, trackercfg have anything in common? These are some of the apps that won't launch.

Keep up the good work.

aspidites 2010-05-11 20:01
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654058)
Hi I have this input to test:

1. v0.3 is not starting but this may be more related to my phone that the app itself. I have a number of apps that wont start lately. Maybe my QT was screwed up or something. I have to still determine the culprit.

2. Using v0.2 the # key should be used to differ between abc, ABC and 123

3. Clicking on the textbox brings up the landscape qwerty keyboard.

4. In future and more stable versions one might consider integrating this with the virtual keyboard. You may try and editing a button on the virtual keyboard to trigger this app and launch it.

So far that's what I got. Incidentally does someone know if vertsms, healthcheck, trackercfg have anything in common? These are some of the apps that won't launch.

Keep up the good work.
1. Vertsms is written using pymaemo, not Qt.
2. Ignoring since this version is obsolete. Also see my links above, I've addressed the "shift" issue already.
3. Again, check the links above, this has also already been addressed, and solved. You'll have to wait until PR1.2
4. Reoccuring pattern...already addressed. The virtual keyboard is closed source so we have to make our own. I'm working on a plugin system that allows just that.

All programs use python. Perhaps you should reinstall pymaemo and see if that fixes your problems. Would be easier to diagnose your issues if there were a traceback (run the programs from the terminal).

noobmonkey 2010-05-11 21:43
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654058)
Hi I have this input to test:

1. v0.3 is not starting but this may be more related to my phone that the app itself. I have a number of apps that wont start lately. Maybe my QT was screwed up or something. I have to still determine the culprit.

2. Using v0.2 the # key should be used to differ between abc, ABC and 123

3. Clicking on the textbox brings up the landscape qwerty keyboard.

4. In future and more stable versions one might consider integrating this with the virtual keyboard. You may try and editing a button on the virtual keyboard to trigger this app and launch it.

So far that's what I got. Incidentally does someone know if vertsms, healthcheck, trackercfg have anything in common? These are some of the apps that won't launch.

Keep up the good work.
Best thing to do is to try running them from terminal - most of them will then give you a detailed error :D

With healthcheck you can try (As a normal user, not root!)
Code:
python /home/opt/healthcheck/healthcheck.py
Let me know the outcome :D

pantera1989 2010-05-12 06:53
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Thanks for your replies. Sorry that I couldn't help test. Hmm..it said could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named gobject')

Hmm looking more into it it seems all I have were python related issues. Now at least I know the culprit.

aspidites 2010-05-12 07:02
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654611)
Thanks for your replies. Sorry that I couldn't help test. Hmm..it said could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named gobject')

Hmm looking more into it it seems all I have were python related issues. Now at least I know the culprit.
From terminal:
Code:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install python2.5-gobject
if sudo gainroot doesn't work, you'll need to install rootsh from the app manager or what for the next package release of these three programs. Sorry about the inconvenience.

Todo: Add python2.5-gobject to dep list.

tranht 2010-05-12 07:13
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
1st of, great job and thank you Ossipena for developing this app. It's awesome and a great start for us Maemo users. I hope this development will make it far and achieve great success!!!!

pantera1989 2010-05-12 07:16
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Hmm I tried with apt-get --reinstall install python-gobject..and now I'm receiving a freaking segmentation fault..

Is there a way to remove and reinstall python completely without having to remove the apps depending on it?

**Edit** Tried the wild card apt-get --reinstall install python* and well it seems I have some broken packages too. I give up. I am waiting for PR 1.2, maybe it will be fixed with a flash and I will only flash for a new firmware. Thanks for your help and sorry that I can't test.

aspidites 2010-05-12 07:25
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654639)
Hmm I tried with apt-get --reinstall install python-gobject..and now I'm receiving a freaking segmentation fault..

Is there a way to remove and reinstall python completely without having to remove the apps depending on it?
Actually, VertSMS doesn't require python-gobject. Researching to see what package provides gobject module.

noobmonkey 2010-05-12 07:27
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
hmmmm healthcheck does, ( Location / GPS) - but it installs it for you as a dependency......
How very odd :|

pantera1989 2010-05-12 07:34
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Yes healthcheck uses gobject but that was not the real issue. Segmentation fault seems to be the issue here. Trying:

python /home/opt/vertsms/vertsms.pyc just returns segmentation fault.

aspidites 2010-05-12 07:37
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Figured it out. VertSMS depends on gtk/hildon which depend on gobject.

Uninstalling every python package then installing python-minimal left me with import errors (obviously). After removing that and simply doing a "apt-get install vertsms" I see that python-gobject is pulled in with everything else.

In short. "apt-get install --reinstall vertsms" should do the trick. That, or "apt-get install --reinstall python"

pantera1989 2010-05-12 07:45
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
I wouldn't ask if I hadn't tried those already. The segmentation fault persists. Thanks anyway.

aspidites 2010-05-12 07:53
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654691)
I wouldn't ask if I hadn't tried those already. The segmentation fault persists. Thanks anyway.
Don't know what you've tried until you tell me...

pastie the out put of:
Code:
dpkg -L python

pantera1989 2010-05-12 08:14
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
You are right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound rude.

Here is the output of dpkg -L python

Code:
Nokia-N900-02-8:~# dpkg -L python
/.
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/share
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man1
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/python
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/index.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ch-python.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ch-module_packages.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ch-programs.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ch-embed.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ch-other.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ap-build_dependencies.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ap-packaging_tools.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.html/ap-upgrade.html
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/python/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/python/README.Debian
/usr/share/doc/python/copyright
/usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.sgml.gz
/usr/share/doc/python2.5
/usr/share/pixmaps
/usr/share/apps
/usr/share/apps/konsole
/usr/share/apps/konsole/python.desktop
/usr/share/doc-base
/usr/share/doc-base/python-policy
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/valgrind
/usr/lib/valgrind/python.supp
/usr/bin/pyversions
/usr/bin/pydoc
/usr/bin/pygettext
/usr/bin/pdb
/usr/share/man/man1/pydoc.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/pygettext.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/pdb.1.gz
/usr/share/doc/python2.5/python-policy.html
/usr/share/doc/python2.5/python-policy.sgml.gz
/usr/share/doc/python2.5/python-policy.txt.gz
/usr/share/pixmaps/python.xpm

aspidites 2010-05-12 08:40
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Ok, so those are the same. Honestly though, I'd probably just apt-get remove python then do an "apt-get install healthcheck vertsms fmms"

PITA, but probably easier than figuring out what's missing on your system. I'd say the segfault is because of a missing library (as opposed to a missing python module, hince why you aren't getting a decent traceback).

aspidites 2010-05-12 08:56
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
NP. Sorry the answer wasn't more obvious. Bugs are hard to track down when they're just segfauts. I wonder if strace could have helped in this case? Seems only to be available in SDK repo. That or devel is down...

fieryriver 2010-05-16 15:40
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
hi i would just like to say this is a great app. i had to disable virtual keyboard but since i dont use it that much anyway its no big deal.
anyway i was just wondering if with vertsms we can send blank sms

robertran88 2010-05-17 16:00
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
does anyone know if this has T9 yet that would be a nice feature!!

mornage 2010-05-17 16:19
Re: [ANNOUNCE] VertSMS - portrait sms'ing in extras-dev
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robertran88 (Post 662658)
does anyone know if this has T9 yet that would be a nice feature!!
Check the bug reports (links on first page) and read through the thread. This is still in development but planned for a future release. The devel is working hard to get the rest of the app up to a decent standard before adding extra features.


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