Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Thank you for reassuring me.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Harsh truth.
N900 will survive if the community continue to support.
But if many have switch to MeeGo devices, prepare for poor support in N900.

Forget about Nokia, they never really care about N900, never pays proper attention. It survives because there're so many community provided apps, games, and so on. They help to fix and provides the features lacking in the N900, and even up till today, Nokia still can provide some of the BASIC ones; After so long, they only able to provide the USSD (wow!) feature, while there's so many BASIC features already provided by the Community since long ago; After so long, they only able to implement and provide ONE and ONLY ONE, Facebook Chat IM into the Contacts Account. OH WOW!

Sincerely and honestly, if there is no community support, N900 is long dead. Their OVI store for N900 is still pretty much a dead place. Such a great device but ruined by poor support from Nokia, lack of attention. Either they should've delay MeeGo or just don't launch the N900 in the first place, and directly concentrate on MeeGo. Now they have to maintain another device which they're trying to wash their hands off. You see vast development of MeeGo, but a simple update of N900 takes ages.

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I believe the community will survive a good amount of time even if it is unofficial community on another website but yes Nokia is very lame however I think will pick up an n900 from Amazon. Also the Nokia n900 will live on unofficially the way the Amiga and Amiga mostly dead for so many years still places to get help and software and still community web site I guess. I find it weird that Nokia developed Meego when they already Maemo which is better in my opinion because more established Nokia could just improve what they already have instead of developing something that they don't need to develop the fact is Nokia makes phones and one laptop they don't make tvs or gps'. They only to support 800x480 and 640x360 screens and arm processors ok that is the fact. I guess owning a n900 is like owning Amiga excellent hardware and software truly ahead of the game but bad company and management kills it sad. :(

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Before you buy a n900. NOTE the following downsides:

1. Nokia has extremely poor record of device support across its multiple devices. After a few updates, the device is usually forgotten (see previous "n" series)
2. No Meego for n900. Only an open community port will (if) be available sometime in the "future". (see point 3)
3. Open Community OS development has a poor track record on Nokia devices. See attempts on previous devices in the "n" line.
4. NO mobile support from major app vendors. There is no google maps, there is no adobe flash etc. If you want these apps, forget the n900, it will NEVER get it (even the Opera release was an unofficial hobby project by the devs who make no promises and cannot officially promise future versions and fixes).

If you are a technically oriented person who likes to tinker and write your own stuff in linux, love to install unofficial apps and experiment (many of which can brick your device) and is happy with the state of the n900 NOW as of PR1.2, then the n900 is for you. No other phone is better for this user.

If you are NOT a linux geek and rely on official support and are just attracted to the N900 for its browser/web experience/multitasking, then do NOT get the n900 as the n900 web experience is going ot be inferior to other devices soon (no flash 10.1, n900 is starting to lose access to sites that block lower versions of flash). Other devices are catching up and will surpass the n900 for the web experience soon.

Lets be clear - DO NOT buy the n900 with what you HOPE it MIGHT become, only buy the n900 for what it is NOW. Assume for all intends and purposes you will get NO future support in terms of bug fixes etc.

If you are OK with that then buy the n900 for sure.

Otherwise stick to Droid phones etc which cater to a normal user base and provide proper support.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Well I don't I would call myself a linux geek but the n900 will be what I'm looking for. But there are many linux app just not found on other phone like Abiword, Gnumeric, and Transmission etc. I also love to tinker. Nokia n900 users insulted anything from Microsoft but now know what it is like to own Windows Mobile device the company always telling you bulsh** like your device can't be upgraded or you have to go through complex installation process that isn't necessarily legal from weird Windows Mobile websites. Nokia not being very green.

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As long as you go into this with your eyes open then get the n900. Sounds like you are happy with it.

With the Debian thing (sorry I forgot the app name still in extras dev) you can run most debian stuff (even open office).

MS is on the other end of the spectrum to the n900 really.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Easy Debian

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Super slow open office and Gimp for the win. Also I heard Wine was ported to the Nokia n900.

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I would love to see compiz in Maemo wobbly windows yay.

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I've heard of android running LXDE as well.


Seriously - I had a sony erricson phone once and I hated it. But symbian is globally the #1 most popular phone OS, so it has good support. I still use my N95 running symbian.

The REAL decision is not which phone - its which OS. Symbian is established, but closed-source. Android is more open and is the 'new thing'. Maemo will die a quick death.

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Symbian is open source

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Only just recently, in response to android.

I wonder if an older operating system that just recently was opened up will be able to attract developers the way android does?

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Well something needs to be specified Symbian may be open source but the platform itself is closed. Applications still have to "Symbian Signed" apps have to be approved but it allows for more distribution channels. In my opinion the closed nature of Symbian is holding it back.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Dude Symbian is open source but the platform is closed because apps have to be Symbian Signed.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

What??

And android is really not as open source as you think

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Well mostly open source hackers have been able to get complete versions of the OS onto devices that weren't originally intended to run android.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Only two I know of...the n900 and the iPhone. But they can't get google marketplace.

see http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/201...-android-evil/

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I don't know about SE but non-nokia symbian phones were quickly abandoned until now. Very few updates and very few people bothering with those phones (e.g. OmniaHD - awesome hardware, minimal support)

I love S60v5 with all it's non-polishness. Mainly because of backward compatibility (thousands of apps).

If you want a phone go for the Satio. If you want a tablet which happens to make phone calls then go for the N900.

S60 --> thousands of apps, numerous hacks, stuck with enormous controls eating up screen space, finest input methods, 360x640, you have to hack it to mess up with it, decent browser, sync with pretty much anything

Maemo --> root access from the first minute, pc-like apps, high resolution, stylus, you can develop (and host) a site on it! The only phone I have used that can last one full day of battery continuously connected to either wifi or 3g and with 4 IM accounts plus 2 email accounts active). Not-so-good e-mail app (no push), best mobile browser ever, full flash.
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Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

The n900 look like it would be more my cup of tea because it would work better with Linux and the Maemo os is the killer feature with desktop like applications and multitasking. Also it handles multimedia really well with xvid and divx support out of the box and 3rd party decoders for ogg, flac, and theora video.

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Also is there a way to tether Nokia n900 to Ubuntu computer without Bluetooth being as Nokia pc suite isn't available for linux.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

HTC Evo 4G

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Go in the shop and try and get a demo on both, my mum has satio and I have had a substantial go on it and i think the UI is awful, feels dated to me after using N900... The web browser is so poor compared to N900.. just my opinion tho!

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Seems too overpowered

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Hey railroadmaster

I would say go for the Satio. If you want to have a phone with other functionalties.

Otherwise go for the N900 Internet Tablet with phone functionality....do keep in mind that the N900 is still (IMHO) in a developing stage.

Good luck with choosing your next device!

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Satio sucks. Trust me, i've used and owned pretty much all the types of mobile phones there are, I currently have:

Iphone 3GS
Sony Ericsson W950i (Symbian UIQ3)
Nokia N900 (Maemo 5)
HTC Touch Pro (Windows Mobile 6.5)


So i'd like to say this first, my opinion is unbiased. Anyway, Sony Ericsson's Symbian UIQ3 is now a dead technology, yes it's now open source but it sucked. I tweaked and customized my W950i to the max, i.e hacking it to gain file access to the root etc etc.....same with my HTC Touch Pro, i installed a custom WM 6.5 rom whereas a normal stock version will only be on WM 6.0.

My point is, Sony Ericsson is dying, now it's using Windows Mobile on most of their high end devices, and Satio is just pure crap.

Get the N900, it has more potential and is way more powerful.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

sony ericsson... for shure... see all the n900 problems... n97 problems etc etc.. nokia its a shame.. change the brand ;) believe me... dont trash the money away with nokia

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

I wouldn't say Sony Ericsson is dieing because they gained a lot of market share this year thanks to the Vivaz and Satio. While Nokia is larger they lost a lot of market share this year I heard they are now down 37 percent but don't quote or site me on that yes Nokia rules the world and Sony Ericsson is small but Nokia these days is just lame. Don't tell me that you don't remember th n97 how buggy and slow it was that wasn't Symbian's fault that was Nokia's fault. Granted Sony isn't a software company and are a hardware company but Nokia never take good time to develop product while being as it looks pretty amazing Maemo looks fresh and has an awesome community, the os looks half-baked. I don't know just a little rant on Nokia. Don't get me wrong there are things about Sony that piss me off very much. I will spend time to decide between the devices.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

+1
for me also.
Over powered is great!! better than underpower device

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Yah what worries me is about half the post on maemo.org talk about how they switched to an htc device or how there selling there device. I would say the n900 looks nice and Nokia makes good phones but Sony Ericsson is very overlooked. Both companies suffer from similar problems however Sony was able to make phones with os other than Symbian such as the Xperia x10 that runs Android.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

The Evo seems great in all but heavy price tag and I'm with T-Mobile I would have to switch to Sprint. Evo seems to be an htc hd2 with Wimax, 8mp camera with hd video recording, and hd tv out. Also the Evo 4g would probably be expensive requiring expensive data plans.

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Well as for hardware power goes there about the same both have 600mhz arm cortex a8, I think they both have 400mhz 3d accelerator, and they both have 256mb of ram. However the Sony Ericsson Satio would because of 12mp camera with xenon flash vs 5mp camera with dual led flash and records video at better quality and framerate. The Nokia n900 would win because of 32gb of internal memory vs something like 256mb with 8gb microsd card also n900 has a physical keyboard which is a nice touch look a little cramped for my taste but better than onscreen qwerty. Mostly hardware is equal n900 wins because of more storage and Satio wins because of a better camera. Also n900 has 768mb swap file.

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I will certainly get the Nokia n900 looks like a great phone. Also the n900 is a better value so that will be a reason for me.

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I'd personally wait for the n8, if you were even considering the Satio then I suspect that having a mobile geek pad (which the n900 awesomely fulfils) is not your #1 priority.

The N8 will have a good camera, HDMI out (!), and a slick looking mature OS

The N8 will be a better camera phone with features, the N900 would be a better mobile linux computer / hackmachine

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

the Nokia n900 is more of what I am looking for. Also is there an alternative to Nokia Pc suite that would allow me full filesystem access on the Nokia n900. By the way I use ubuntu.

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I would say the Nokia n8 looks very nice but I don't like how it uses a capacitive touchscreen because I like to use a stylus. Also I would say the n8 a has edge over the Satio I will wait to see if Nokia doesn't release another disaster like the Nokia n97.

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You forget that N900 wins because of the OS is way better than Satio S60v5 customised! N900 wins hands down to the higher screen resolution :D and software! Also with Linux power :D... list goes on!



ummmm.... N8 looks terible in term of design but atleast it has usb OTG!! and HDMI!! Better camera, and more sensitive screen. Multitouch!!

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

I like the Sony Ericsson Satio's interface and the n900's. Also software wise both devices are about even Satio wins because of more apps, much phone feaures, and nicer interface, the Nokia n900 wins because of cool linux os, makes you think it is a computer in your pocket, and hackability. Off topic I would also consider the Palm Pre a mobile computer.

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Well.. I was just like you.
A hard decision between satio and N900. Based on this conversation, I've chose N900.
Well, you probably already got your phone, but I'll post here my experience to help other people that stil didn't.
I don't know Satio in deep, as I just played a little bit with one on a phone store. So I don't really know if I made the right choice, but here it goes what I *really* hated about n900:

- Its very, very heavy! It wants to be remembered it's on your pocket every minute! Its also quite thick. I think I would get used with it, but I still don't.

- There is no "portrait" mode. Everything needs to be done in a "landscape" mode. Because of this, you need to operate it with both hands. This becomes very unhandy on everyday usage. :mad:

- Media player (a must-have for me, specially for audio)
1. Don't have an equalizer. You read it right. You paid $400~500 for a device that don't have a equalizer. (yes, I know there is a workaround with some dude's mp-renderer replace, but this dont work at all. your device gets freezy and even higher on cpu load)
2. There are no physical playback buttons. If you are walking with the phone in your pocket and you want to skip/ replay/ stop the playback, you need to take the device off, unlock it, wait it to become responsive and press "next". Its a fast 7 or 8 steps to skip a track. Oh yeah, you will need both hands! :eek:
If you're not using the official media player, the volume keys also don't work after phone gets locked.
3. The media player widget "play" button stops working. (Yes, I am on 1.2Pr firmware. It's still buggy.) It also takes about 3 or 4 seconds to open the media player app from the widget.
4. Depending on the codec, the video don't run smooth. (Thats no big deal for me, as I dont want to watch movies on a phone).
5. You notice that audio playback is a very heavy task for the N900 to deal. I don't know n900 hardware/maemo os in deep. I belive there is a "higher level" framework to deal with audio that punishes the cpu.

- FM radio is something special. Its an analog (radiowave receiver) to digital (digital audio) to analog (earphone). That makes the device laggy, battery eater and the audio still keeps freezing. Yeah, when you listen FM radio! :mad:
Plus, volume keys don't work for FM radio with device locked.
Also, the Fm application made by some guy is not well designed (It searches for every 1kHz step, when actually station frequencies are set 10k or 20k from each other. This makes the app to find "incorrect" frequencies for the radio stations. I'm not blaming the developer, as he made a favor for the comunity.


- It's laggy when you receive a call, or alarm, or some reminder.
You keep tapping "Answer!" "Answer!" "Answer!" and the phone is still ringing.
Also, if you are on that meeting and the phone starts to ring, with my old K800 I just press the volume button and it stops ringing while still waits for me to answer the call. This gives me time to identify who is calling me, and to think if I'm going to answer it or not.
With N900, It keeps ringing and ringing, while I'm desperately tapping "busy!" "busy!". Thats awful.

- The battery is a disaster. You are lucky if you get more than 24hours (no phone calls) with the phone still running. Don't come suggesting to turn the wireless off or disable 3G internet. If I would't use internet on this phone. I would keep my old K800!

- The camera (although I've seen comments over the internet saying the opposite) is not good, specially under low light conditions. I was expecting at least a more sensitive sensor. My old K800 still makes better photos.

- There aren't many basic functionality that you would find on a $50 phone.

The good apects are: Excelent display quality (impressive resolution), the OS is well designed and flexible. The integrated conversation (sms, messengers), and the voip are well done.
Also the web browser, that can do everything a computer browser can, in a small size.
Altought you get many open-source applications available, you won't find professional, mature applications for this phone.

The impression is that it's software is still pretty imature. (beta).
The lack of many well thinked details makes me not to like this phone as I think I would.

ps: I know my english sucks. I'm sorry about that. I hope the idea get transmitted.
Every 5 minutes I remember one more thing about N900 that pisses me off.. This list won't end up so soon... :)

Re: Sony Ericsson Satio or Nokia n900
 

Have you considered the MILESTONE XT720?

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Motorola sucks end of discussion. From the reviews I've seen the processor is underclocked 550mhz and there is usually only 50mb of ram available. Motorola has a tendency to crap on there, phones which aren't that good to begin with. Besides Motorola lost its business to European and Asian Manufacturers who know how make phones better then at cheaper prices. I already decided on a Nokia n900 to use as a portable Linux box and and MyTouch 3g Slide to use as a phone.