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andraeseus1 2010-06-09 16:12
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
ok.. so since every one here is speaking in a umbiased way for the most part, can we get back to naming factual things that the iphone can not do. strictly for research purposes. not for troll baiting or anything like that.

nosa101 2010-06-09 16:15
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 706949)
Didn't they just add that to the Skype 2.0 on the iPhone? I don't recall being able to do that earlier - but I've had Skype uninstalled until just a few days ago.

If so... who's not to say it won't come with the next update... on the MeeGo device?
Was 2.0 out about 6 months ago? Because I've had the SMS thing for a while

benny1967 2010-06-09 17:24
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by apcoelho (Post 706203)
I want to download a file from a webpage to keep it on my cellphone... oh wait... I canīt
I want to attach a MP3 file to an email so I can send it to my friends.... oh wait... I canīt
i didn't know about these two issues. why's that? what does st. jobs want to protect his followers from?

Mr. Ben 2010-06-09 17:30
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 706402)
Simply put, the power of Linux enables something that I use on the iPhone and paid for, for free on the Maemo devices.
and THAT is why I don't want an iphone. That and all the other hype. Diversity will keep us strong.

gerbick 2010-06-09 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707436)
Was 2.0 out about 6 months ago? Because I've had the SMS thing for a while
It could have been there and I overlooked it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by andraeseus1
ok.. so since every one here is speaking in a umbiased way for the most part, can we get back to naming factual things that the iphone can not do. strictly for research purposes. not for troll baiting or anything like that.
The Apple iPhone cannot do true multi-tasking. What they've implemented into iOS 4 is basically still serial-tasking and switches between apps that keep a state, but do not continue. This might change later to quasi-multi-tasking allowing apps like Pandora to run in the background and continue to play music and such.

The iPhone (out of the box) cannot edit *.doc, *.xls files, but can read them.

You cannot tether without invoking charges.

You do not have root access without jailbreaking.

There is no Adobe Flash and despite being many other webkit variants - and Opera Mini - on the iPhone, the browser choices are all limited to whatever Apple will allow.

You cannot truly mount the phone as a hard drive without 3rd party software.

Transferring files via bluetooth is only an option via jailbreak.

Transferring files via HTTP/WiFi is only an option via app purchase. And those files are not part of the normal storage... for instance if you wish to play a transferred file into the iPod portion of the phone, won't happen. You will have to invoke iTunes on your desktop to sync that file.

You have to use iTunes to activate the phone (annoying to me).

You cannot update over the air the OS.

Unless you have the $99 a year developer's account, you cannot deploy or test your own apps.

You cannot visit Flash only sites.

Until iOS 4, if you hit an HTML5 video, it would invoke a Quicktime based app - YouTube or something another. That's changed, but still not 100% implemented in iOS 4 - I just installed the "gold master" build last night and still testing.

Folders are limited to 12 apps, no scrolling.

Their app approval process is finicky. I have GV Mobile (paid), yet they pulled it. It's now on Cydia though (jailbreak). I have Tris, but they pulled that too. There are many others.
There are plenty of other things, but I'm quite sure most of those are known or over-exaggerated. The whole "no Flash" part does affect me directly. The MS Exchange does work well... but it forces you to lock your phone (which, I already do, but that's a major complaint for people). The VPN software is lacking, but functional.

nosa101 2010-06-09 17:48
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 707514)
i didn't know about these two issues. why's that? what does st. jobs want to protect his followers from?
Sharing mp3s is technically illegal.
As for downloading a file from a webpage, the iPhone wasn't really built like that. Accessing the file system without jailbreaking it is impossible.

To be honest, the iPhone isn't for advanced users. If I got an iPhone, I would still carry my n900 around. For the things it is meant to do, the iPhone does it very well.

The iPhone wasn't built with geeks in mind. It was built for people who just want to a phone that can entertain them on the side. The n900 was built to be a workhorse. While the n900 can do a lot of the things the iPhone does and even more, the iPhone is better at most things they have in common.

Look at web browsing for instance, on the n900 you get the full web at a cost: browser speed. On the iPhone, pages load faster because it isn't the full web. It is trade off. Apple won't add flash if it makes their device slow. Apple won't add flash when they know their browser can't handle it as well as a competitor's browser. I've noticed that apple only adds things when it can be better than re competitor. Look at the front acing camera. From what I saw at wwdc, the images were clearer than ours. Facetime is wifi only because apple knows putting it over 3g would expose a shortcoming. Now skype even wants to make use of facetime

quipper8 2010-06-09 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 707514)
i didn't know about these two issues. why's that? what does st. jobs want to protect his followers from?
don't you know benny, users downloading files from the internet is dangerous :)

anyway, there is no common file storage on the iphone platform(even with jailbreaking it is kind of a hack) which means if you have one app that creates files or whatever they are not accessible to other apps. Of course some of the apple developed apps can access *some* files across apps, but I don't think this is open to all apps.

In other words, on an iphone, you can't open file manager, create a folder called client2, go to the internet and find the pdf and the ppt and images you need and download them and save them in that folder. Nor can you AFAIK download to your iphone various files to have with you and email them out as needed. there are various webdav and dropbox hacks to get around these limitations though.

a huge limitation IMO.

nosa101 2010-06-09 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 707541)
The iPhone (out of the box) cannot edit *.doc, *.xls files, but can read them.
I think iWork is coming to the iPhone. There was a screenshot I saw that hinted it. An attachment had an option to open in Keynote

anaskr 2010-06-09 17:58
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i guess the people who dont have a friendly humor out here, telling each other to stop this or that !! go cry in a corner !!

peace out enjoy :D

wmarone 2010-06-09 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 707541)
The Apple iPhone cannot do true multi-tasking. What they've implemented into iOS 4 is basically still serial-tasking and switches between apps that keep a state, but do not continue. This might change later to quasi-multi-tasking allowing apps like Pandora to run in the background and continue to play music and such.
They're using Grand Central to do it. The main thread is stopped when pushed into the background but not freed, however that main thread can pass a fairly constrained subthread off to the Grand Central daemon which lets things like Pandora continue to stream in the background.

It's actually quite interesting, and the architecture is mostly open source (but requires Objective-C's runtime and syntax changes, and the license isn't quite compatible with the GPL.)

Oh wait, was that the wrong kind of comment for this thread?

woody14619 2010-06-09 18:21
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 707541)
Their app approval process is finicky. I have GV Mobile (paid), yet they pulled it. It's now on Cydia though (jailbreak). I have Tris, but they pulled that too.
That's one of my biggest gripes about the iPhone (and the Kindle and others). The provider can retroactively disable/delete items you've purchased and use at any time. Apple decides they want only Safari on "their" device line, they can not only stop selling the alternatives, but can disable it on any device that connects to the network & syncs up. This happened on the Kindle too, when they irronicly pulled several Wells titles off people's devices, including 1984. :)

With the N900, I can make a snapshot of just about anything and restore it back, without fear of Nokia deciding what is and isn't allowed on my device.

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707548)
Sharing mp3s is technically illegal.
WRONG! Sharing copyrighted material without the authors consent is illegal. There at plenty of small start-up bands out there that encourage people to share their music to drum up support. There are some that release whole albums or a select number of tracks for free to spread their sound. MC Lars (among others) has promoted in this way in the past, with one track titles "Download this Song", where he give permission to share the song with others for free right in the lyrics of the song.

The concept that sharing, in general, is illegal and shouldn't be supported is a real crime. Some people actually do things not for profit, but because they enjoy doing it, and want the fruits of their labor to be shared by others. Disabling that wholesale because another group of people is using it for criminal activity is ludicrous. It would be like making cars illegal because so many people are killed every year by cars, when clearly that's not the primary use or intent of a car.

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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 707566)
They're using Grand Central to do it. ...
Oh wait, was that the wrong kind of comment for this thread?
No, but I think any time you can add something of interest to the thread it's good, and frankly, as a developer, I found those details interesting. :)

cfh11 2010-06-09 18:21
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707548)
Sharing mp3s is technically illegal.
Only for copyrighted content. IMO no reason to block the functionality entirely.

EDIT: woody beat me to the punch ^^ like he said

nosa101 2010-06-09 18:31
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
So we are going to gt into the legalities of sharing mp3s now? For te most part, it is illegal. There is no way for the phone to filter illegal and legal music being shared. Rather than be an enabler, Apple has chosen not to. Especially when sharing music defeats the purpose of the iTunes store.

gerbick 2010-06-09 18:40
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707554)
I think iWork is coming to the iPhone. There was a screenshot I saw that hinted it. An attachment had an option to open in Keynote
Well, I had to add the words "out of the box" meaning that you can buy an app later, but it cannot do so at the moment of purchase.

Just being fair since that was something complained about elsewhere about the N900 since it cannot also, at time of purchase, edit those files but something can be installed later to do so.

gerbick 2010-06-09 18:52
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 707602)
That's one of my biggest gripes about the iPhone (and the Kindle and others). The provider can retroactively disable/delete items you've purchased and use at any time.
A correction is needed. They might have pulled those apps from the app store, but they didn't pull those apps from my machine. I still have them, can still use them and when I back up my machine, it'll be back on next restore.

I will just not get any updates. Only Amazon has deleted from the machine.

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Apple decides they want only Safari on "their" device line, they can not only stop selling the alternatives, but can disable it on any device that connects to the network & syncs up.
This has never happened, not to my knowledge. Care to site a source of this happening?

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This happened on the Kindle too, when they ironically pulled several Wells titles off people's devices, including 1984.
And they got sued and people won and got the media back.

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With the N900, I can make a snapshot of just about anything and restore it back, without fear of Nokia deciding what is and isn't allowed on my device.
Same on the iPhone. I still have apps that have been since pulled and use them. I just don't get any updates whatsoever.

lancewex 2010-06-09 18:58
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Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 706262)
Just to be clear. I don't hate the iphone. I hate Apple. Totally different.
How is that better than the opposite?
I personally dislike the iPhone (and AT&T in the US). But I am a very happy Mac user.

woody14619 2010-06-09 19:02
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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707624)
So we are going to gt into the legalities of sharing mp3s now? For te most part, it is illegal. There is no way for the phone to filter illegal and legal music being shared.
Not true. Maybe for YOU it's illegal for the most part, but frankly far more "illegal" file sharing happens PC to PC than phone to phone. It's not the job of a device manufacturer or OS provider to police what people do on/with the device.

Also, Apple had a way of doing it with iTunes. In fact that was one of their huge selling points in getting permission from the labels initially to start selling songs in iTunes, that it could retain/control/prevent illegal copying of the files because of their DRM format. Once they had the market pretty sealed up, they eventually dropped the strict DRM stuff, but they still can tell what was store bought an what wasn't. There are settable flags in most file formats that indicate if the file is copyright or not, and most people don't know how to change those.

Not allowing files to be shared or copied has nothing to do with legality from a device perspective. If someone copies files illegally from a PC to another PC over the internet, nobody is going to sue Microsoft for allowing the PC to have a copy function (not even in the US where frivolous lawsuits are the norm).

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707624)
Especially when sharing music defeats the purpose of the iTunes store.
That is the real reasoning here. Sharing anything defeats Apples ability to make a profit. Technically, one can copy a file from their PC (via iTunes), to a device, and play it in two places at once, both on the device and on their home PC. Technically, that's a violation of the agreement you have on purchasing the song, since you only purchased on copy. Apple doesn't care about legal technicalities. They care about selling stuff and making money. Small bands sharing their songs for free, or free open source audio books (like Librivox) don't make Apple money, so they make it all the harder to share such things. It's all about the money.

woody14619 2010-06-09 19:28
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 707657)
This has never happened, not to my knowledge. Care to site a source of this happening?
You're correct in that they haven't done it yet to anything but a few malware apps. The fact that they could do it though is disturbing to me.

I'm betting Android wished it had such a mechanism, when the rouge banking app hit it's store. :)


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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 707657)
And they got sued and people won and got the media back.
The reason the media was pulled was because they found out that the group selling the media in fact did not have the publishing rights to do so. They settled a couple months later, after they had the proper publisher in place and could restore the media to people who purchased it earlier. If that had not reached that agreement with the publisher, I doubt the settlement would have included the media restore happening on the Kindle.

Still, Amazon says it reserves the right to pull media from the Kindle in certain circumstances, even after the 1984 fiasco. And has retroactively updated their terms of service to reflect that. (Amazon is our friend, Amazon has always been our friend.)

Still... the fact that there is no built in mechanism in the N900 to prevent the use of any software (remotely or otherwise) is a key item to me.

geneven 2010-06-09 19:30
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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 707624)
So we are going to gt into the legalities of sharing mp3s now? For te most part, it is illegal. There is no way for the phone to filter illegal and legal music being shared. Rather than be an enabler, Apple has chosen not to. Especially when sharing music defeats the purpose of the iTunes store.
Every week, The Economist lets me download a spoken-word version of its current issue in mp3 format. Are you saying that is illegal?

knownothing 2010-06-10 00:19
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I like IPhone. it has great look and very nice shape.
However, i really dont like the way Apple and AT&T doing their business in US including verizon. BullSit
Apple using dirty trick to publicize their Iphone 4g. (their employer forgot iphone 4g at a bar)
Verizon seeling phone that using CDMA ..no Sim.
I bought Motorola droid on Motorola offical site..and they sent me Motorola droid for verizon. So mistakable because i live in US.
I made them a call and say because i live in Us. they cant send me any different version of droid like milestone.

nosa101 2010-06-10 01:50
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 707705)
Every week, The Economist lets me download a spoken-word version of its current issue in mp3 format. Are you saying that is illegal?
Dear Lord, did you red what I wrote?

I said "for the most part". Most people share music. Apple does not want you to share music bought from iTunes with another person. You can't copy music off an iPod through iTunes.

I never said sharing music was absolutely illegal. It is illegal for the most part.

nosa101 2010-06-10 01:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 707674)
Not true. Maybe for YOU it's illegal for the most part, but frankly far more "illegal" file sharing happens PC to PC than phone to phone. It's not the job of a device manufacturer or OS provider to police what people do on/with the device.

Also, Apple had a way of doing it with iTunes. In fact that was one of their huge selling points in getting permission from the labels initially to start selling songs in iTunes, that it could retain/control/prevent illegal copying of the files because of their DRM format. Once they had the market pretty sealed up, they eventually dropped the strict DRM stuff, but they still can tell what was store bought an what wasn't. There are settable flags in most file formats that indicate if the file is copyright or not, and most people don't know how to change those.

Not allowing files to be shared or copied has nothing to do with legality from a device perspective. If someone copies files illegally from a PC to another PC over the internet, nobody is going to sue Microsoft for allowing the PC to have a copy function (not even in the US where frivolous lawsuits are the norm).



That is the real reasoning here. Sharing anything defeats Apples ability to make a profit. Technically, one can copy a file from their PC (via iTunes), to a device, and play it in two places at once, both on the device and on their home PC. Technically, that's a violation of the agreement you have on purchasing the song, since you only purchased on copy. Apple doesn't care about legal technicalities. They care about selling stuff and making money. Small bands sharing their songs for free, or free open source audio books (like Librivox) don't make Apple money, so they make it all the harder to share such things. It's all about the money.
So if I buy a song on iTunes then send it to you via Bluetooth, that is totally ok?

Benson 2010-06-10 02:08
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 707514)
i didn't know about these two issues. why's that? what does st. jobs want to protect his followers from?
As for the notion it's because "Anything that lets you share files could be used to infringe copyright!", I'm pretty sure that's not it; even though a certain reading of the DMCA would support that notion, it's never been taken anywhere near that far in court.

I think it's just a consequence of the whole hide-the-filesystem-lest-users-gaze-into-its-complexity-and-emptiness-and-go-MAD notion.

gerbick 2010-06-10 02:10
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Enough of the mp3 talk. RIAA pays high priced lawyers to set that stuff straight for us ignorant folks. And they love suing folks too. They even sue dead folks.

With that said... the controls that are put in place, if ever abused will invariably lead to some lawsuit and bad press.

Grok 2010-06-10 02:17
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I skim through these iphone vs n900 discussions and I have to laugh.
I don't think you could name two more diametrically opposed platforms or devices than these two!

The apple camp talks about jaibreaking etc to get to the flexibility that lurks in it's sexy interior.

The n900 camp talks about getting that stability and simplistic interface that seems elusive to some.

It all seems so pathetic and useless.:rolleyes:

Both devices have compelling strong points and some really stinky bad points. As has been stated over and over.....do your research and embrace your chosen device and support the group. Positive energy is so much more useful than a pointless competition that NO ONE will win.

Bobbe 2010-06-10 02:54
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Originally Posted by Grok (Post 708078)
Both devices have compelling strong points and some really stinky bad points. As has been stated over and over.....do your research and embrace your chosen device and support the group. Positive energy is so much more useful than a pointless competition that NO ONE will win.
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Everything else of similar tone and attitude that has been said before by gerbick and others
For Christ sake guys, that's just it. Buy the one that fits what you want to do, and go with it. I had an N800+E71, and dropped the whole kit for a 3GS. What did it for me was the screen (there's no beating Apple's capacitive, it is (still) from a few to a gazillion light-years ahead of any other I have ever seen or tested in terms of responsiveness and comfort in use) and the app environment (I spend money, that's true, but I honestly think it is money worth paying for the dev's time). I still have my grips with all the bad stuff listed here, even though I JB'd and most of the points raised against it are (FOR ME) moot, but the truth is my N800 is abandoned and dead, and I won't buy an N900 (when it comes to Brazil, which it hasn't, believe it or not) because even if it is far superior to the N800 in any thinkable aspect, it still hasn't been able to surpass the iPhone in the two aspects I mentioned.

But once again, that's FOR ME.

So why don't we all buy the device that does the trick FOR US? And let go of all the bashing? Sounds kinda lame.

imperiallight 2010-06-10 13:25
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Adobe flash on the iphone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVA2pdKikYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhE...eature=related

Although it is stutterry and rendered remotely...

A desktop firebox browser on a linux box

imperiallight 2010-06-10 13:38
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Crazy... I am viewing books on my iphone using using the heavily flash based scribd.com faster than my home computer!!

imperiallight 2010-06-10 13:46
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Now flash based games on Kongregate load up fine with sound!

And this... touted as one of the toughest flash sites works quick with sound:

http://disney.go.com/toystory/

imperiallight 2010-06-10 13:52
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And yes the desktop youporn site is fine, just a tad jerky!

cfh11 2010-06-10 13:56
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Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 708770)
Crazy... I am viewing books on my iphone using using the heavily flash based scribd.com faster than my home computer!!
Too bad scribd.com is in html5 not flash...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30964170/Scribd-in-HTML5

ysss 2010-06-10 13:56
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Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 708795)
And yes the desktop youporn site is fine, just a tad jerky!
I'm glad you're happy but there's no need to repost everything in short bursts over dozens of mini posts duplicates on 2 threads.

Ps: TMI on this particular post... We don't need to know that you jerkied to that website...

imperiallight 2010-06-10 14:00
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lol, it was only for experimental purposes!

Pretty big shift from watching that video to less than one minute later downloading an app and watching flash stuff on the iphone...

but I guess we are all excited by different things

andraeseus1 2010-06-10 18:56
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Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 707606)
Only for copyrighted content. IMO no reason to block the functionality entirely.

EDIT: woody beat me to the punch ^^ like he said
so basically we are being judged before even commiting the crime? or should i say we are paying via added precautions and limits in ability for stuff that other people have done? thats not cool. like insurance companies charging a deductible as a deterrent measure because of what other people did. i dont kike being treated like a criminal even though i am not the one who committed the crime

DeargDoom 2010-06-10 19:30
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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 707602)
This happened on the Kindle too, when they irronicly pulled several Wells titles off people's devices, including 1984. :)
The only thing that would make that any more ironic would be caring enough to complain multiple times in the one thread but not enough to get the author right :p

Ironically, 1984 was written by a state informant, George Orwell.

danramos 2010-06-15 17:15
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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 706955)
i can throw the n900 at someone's head and kill them

cant do that with an iphone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7x1aic74Mg

wmarone 2010-06-15 17:23
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Originally Posted by andraeseus1 (Post 709273)
so basically we are being judged before even commiting the crime? or should i say we are paying via added precautions and limits in ability for stuff that other people have done? thats not cool. like insurance companies charging a deductible as a deterrent measure because of what other people did. i dont kike being treated like a criminal even though i am not the one who committed the crime
That -is- the fundamental assumption with DRM. You are a criminal, tried and convicted by the vendor of your device, and must be imprisoned appropriately. With DRM, the customer is the enemy and is treated accordingly.

The limits of what could possibly be considered acceptable were tested and met by Valve, who make a fairly valuable tradeoff. Everything else, especially that demanded by the media industries, is unacceptable.

Part of the reason I don't like Apple's locked down computing bent they seem to think is Right and Just with mobile computing is because they (and indeed many others, especially Motorola) see it as an opportunity to push us uppity consumers back into the bag via locked down devices they control well past the point of sale, and past the point where your contract would have expired.

railroadmaster 2010-06-15 21:53
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Well my problem with iPhone isn't that it doesn't have feature x, y, or z. My real problem with the iPhone is that it is closed you can only install apps approved by Apple, you can't tinker with an iPhone beyond moving around the icons, you can't change the theme, developers are treated like crap, You can only put music, videos, or photos on an iPhone with iTunes and only Apple software can run fully in the background so third party background tasks are limited. Don't tell me to jailbrake alright that voids the warranty, is illegal, and can possibly brick your device.

railroadmaster 2010-06-15 23:50
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 706273)
I don't get how the "No Flash" support is a bulletpoint. I mean, half of this forum hates Flash... they want to uninstall it, remove it, block it, or disregard it - despite others wanting the 10.1 Flash Player plugin like something fierce.

Anyway, music over bluetooth... slow. I'd kill somebody if I had to send over two CD's (ripped) over bluetooth. Try it, time it, get back to me on that one.
People actually use Flash on the Internet stupid! Alright Flash is important despite what grand master Steve Jobs said. As of the latest version of Flash I have no problems with it. Flash isn't that bad
and people have created very cool stuff with.

nosa101 2010-06-15 23:59
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 716703)
Well my problem with iPhone isn't that it doesn't have feature x, y, or z. My real problem with the iPhone is that it is closed you can only install apps approved by Apple, you can't tinker with an iPhone beyond moving around the icons, you can't change the theme, developers are treated like crap, You can only put music, videos, or photos on an iPhone with iTunes and only Apple software can run fully in the background so third party background tasks are limited. Don't tell me to jailbrake alright that voids the warranty, is illegal, and can possibly brick your device.

What if I use iTunes as my media player?
What other theme could you possible have?
Were you an iPhone developer? Were you treated like crap?
I submitted a test app to the Ovi Store, it was rejected because it failed the QA process. See where I'm going with this?
iOS4 brought multitasking


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People actually use Flash on the Internet stupid!
You called him stupid, you win.


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