Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

i installed and activated it but its showing contacts icon 2 times n many more icons two times how to solve it

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

You can edit the file itself so that it does go where it's supposed to, see my post #46.

You'll need to use command ls (list) so you'll get the programs that you've installed. These are shown as .desktop and should be added to the .menu (programs that are inside the folder). You too should read post #46.

If neither of you can solve your problems from that post then follow instructions on the post #107 at "Making folders and managing icons".

Use the built-in Diagnosis tool and paste the log to this thread, preferably in code-tag (e.g. [ code ]my paste[ /code ] though without using spacebar, I used it only to tell you how to use the tag), it's the little #-mark on the toolbar.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

That's what I thought.

It is possible to have few icons inside the main menu and after those icons create additional folders doing it with ApMeFo?

I have did it manually by creating folders that's why I was trying to move icons around.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Well if I understood you correctly you want to make custom folders to the Application Menu without ApMeFo? Sure, that is possible and that is how I've done, it was mentioned on my previous post. See here:

Post #107 on "Making folders and managing icons".

So in short, there's three different ways to do the folders:

1. Use only ApMeFo.
2. Do it manually.
3. Use ApMeFo and do rest of it manually (for example folders with Scandinavian alphabets ÄÖÅ in them, since ApMeFo does not let you add those, yet).

I've done all my folders manually and most likely will do them in future too, I'll though keep my eye on ApMeFo as well (though I'm hoping that future update would integrate folders to the Application Menu, it'd be much easier for low-end users).

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Yes,

I am managing my icons manually right now. I was changing the program mymenu manually at the beginning and your post was really helpful because nokia replace my phone (I start over since took 1 month and PR1.2 was released).

Here how i have did hildon.menu in order to have few icons and after some folders (maybe can be helpful )

I still have some issue in my menu "More", is showing icons that are already in the main menu, I have to find out what is going on.

Nico

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I would be happy following functions.

1. In selecting the individual apps that I put in a folder, you should get displayed which are stored in another folder. It appears it does not happen the same app in two different folders.

2. I have the opportunity to decide within the folder itself in what order the apps are listed. Alphabetically, most important, most new or arbitrary. Currently, they are displayed alphabetically but that does not exist forever. Therefore, I would like to have even the possibility.

I also hope that these ideas and other interested they will become converted. Thanks

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-2) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thanks, that's a bit of information worth my weight in gold!

Would it be okay to (in case I'll implement some way to add auto-categorisation later) read that file and use it's content?

Though right not it's not looking like this would work, anyway. While in theory having both applications installed and freely switching between them should work, I get strange results when ApMeFo is activated: While the custom folders display just fine, some of the applications are duplicated to show both within the folders AND in the main menu.

If not for that problem, I think both applications could be made to work well together - Catorise fetches the right category and ApMeFo uses that information via some basic "auto-categorise uncategorised applications" button functionality.

What a shame - would have been really nice if by chance we had found a way to rid all three applications of that bug. :(

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

would be nice, plus catoriseGUI is the easy way to move icons

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

@nicorumiz: You should really post everything concerning manual customisation to the non application specific thread. Not that I wouldn't want interesting discussion like that on here (actually, feel free to post away as much as you like :D ), but the real experts are over there, so you're more likely to get your answers over there.

I've been into this topic for a mere two days when I started writing ApMeFo (and into Python - both pretty much shows, I fear :D), and while I'm constantly learning more about it so I can add new features, my knowledge about hildon.menu is still rather basic. The real genii are back in the original thread.

@all: I'm trying to sum up all the requests and to post when/whether they are probably going to be implemented. Please post if I happen to forget anything!

Features and Bugs for V1.0
Before adding a lot of new functionality, I'd like to get a stable and usable V1.0 out there. This will include the following requests:

• The popups for selecting Folders and Applications will be sorted alphabetically.
• The popup for selecting Applications will allow for multiple selections (this makes the request for getting rid of the OK button impossible, so the button will have to stay in there).
• When adding/removing Applications, ONLY the part between the Include tags will be modified. That way, it will be possible to manually add applications between Exclude tags without them being touch by ApMeFo.
• I will try to implement better routines to check whether an application is set to NoDisplay or not (hopefully I only overlooked a small case inconsistency, which would be easy to fix then).
• If possible, I would like to fetch localised application names. Sadly, I don't have the faintest idea how to do that - would be happy about any hint you could give me!

Post V1.0 features
Once we have a stable release, in relatively small version steps I'd like to implement the rest of the request. Not sure which of them are actually do-able, and with some I'm still unsure on how to best implement them:

• In the select popup, do not list applications already added to the current folder. Not quite high on my list of priorities, since adding an application twice to the same folder won't do no harm, anyway. But for reasons of clarity it will be fixed eventually.
• In the select popup, add a button "Show only unallocated applications". Not sure whether this will actually work, because checking every single folder against the list of applications might turn out rather slow. Will give it a try.
• Add auto-categorisation: Not sure whether this would be a good idea, since most applications are either not marked or put into a totally random folder. If anything, reading Catorise's file would be an option, but that would only work when both applications could run at the same time (see me last post).
• Rearrange/sort applications: Would love to add this feature, but until I learn how to do this manually I won't be able to include it with ApMeFo.
• Allow for non-Ascii names of folders (and find no-Ascii names of applications): Sadly, I haven't yet found a way to do that with Python. Will definitely try to get a workaround, though.
• Add the ability to rename folders: Probably one of the first changes, since this is both easy to do AND a great idea.

Requests I'm not sure about
These are request that where made but I'm not quite sure about. Would be happy about any input on what others think about it.

• Omitting the filenames of icons in the selection popup. While this would make scrolling less tedious, I'm not sure whether to implement this. Filenames can be quite a good indicator on where you are (for example, once I'm around the icons starting with "F" I know I'll have to expect the filemanager_* icons soon).
• Make separate buttons for Create and Edit. Would this really be an advantage over the current system? If not I'm not sure whether it would be worthwhile to add a couple of new methods and messages to do so.

Requests that are most probably not going to make it in
Because they are either impossible/dangerous or simply not necessary.

• While I more than understand those requests, I won't do anything that includes modifying hildon.menu at DOM level. I'm just not prepared to risk messing up other people's devices (bad enough that I already do with a less critical copy&paste modification of the file :D). Sadly, this also includes rearranging and sorting folders and applications in the main menu... :(
• Backup changes done with ApMeFo: Actually, there's just no need to do that. If you decide to deactivate or uninstall ApMeFo, both the .desktop files and the .menu files will remain, they just won't have any effect on your menu (provided to deleted hildon.menu). Once you reinstall/-activate ApMeFo, you'll have full access to those folder settings again.

Again, if I missed anything, please let me know!

Not sure when I'll be able to start working on V1.0 (couple of medical appointments coming up next week), but I'll keep you up-to-date!

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I think you can do this by using:
<layout>
<filename>something.desktop</filename>
<filename>somethingelse.desktop</filename>
</layout>

at least that works in the main hildon.menu for apps, can't get it to work for directories


also l added a "More" directory and moved the </OnlyUnallocated> statement there. (all new apps then go there instead of the main menu, like the pre PR1.2 menu. Then I added nodisplay=true to my more.directory file. I won't see new apps listed until I add them to a folder, but I find it much harder to trigger the submenu bug. Perhaps it gets caught scanning/re-scanning for unallocated apps? That was one of the differences between the stock hildon.menu and the new hildon.menu (either ApMeFo or by hand).

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Since I'm already quite the sissy when it comes to hildon.menu itself (that is, at least on other people's device - I play around with it on my own quite a lot :D ), I would only go for sorting applications, anyway.

So if I get this to work within the folders I'd be already more than happy. Thanks for that important bit of information!

That sounds like quite a good idea! If it's okay with you, I'd like to include that as a simple setting ("Store unallocated applications in More... folder") in ApMeFo for one of the later versions.


By the by, since I'm preparing the V1.0 features/fixes right now, a question to all: What would be more annoying - having to wait for the new version for a couple of days (and getting everything in one huge update) or getting daily updates (with only small modifications each)?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

i suppose daily updates, then youd get better feedback on each particular new feature/fix

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thought so, too - I'm just a bit afraid making the update icon flash once a day might be a bit annoying. :(

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

hello, i am getting an error when trying to create a folder error message :"an unknown error occured while trying to save"

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Feel free to use anything I sugesst. I've probably picked it up here anyway, perhaps wih a little twist of my own. If I'm posting it, I figure it might be a good idea, or spark a better idea, so please take and use all you want.

It jus struck me, by toggling the no display value, you could hide/unhide a particular folder. Might be a useful option down the line for someone (ie hide a folder(s) from the kids so they cant screw important stuff up while they're playing games, etc).

I don't mind my update ion blinking every day, in fact I get a little disappointed if it isn't blinking.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

@amorek13: Ugh, that's an evil one (since it's hard to trace back to it's root).

Would you mind posting the name of the folder you were trying to create and the output from the diagnosis tool in the menu? Maybe we'll find the culprit that way.

@lemmyslender: Thanks - consider both ideas pushed onto my ToDo list then! :)

Just finished sorting the lists and making the application list multi-selectable, so after a couple of hours of sleep (if my kidney allows for some...) I'll upload the new version - look out for more icon blinking. ;)

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I've already said this multiple times in this thread but just a reminder : it doesn't work like that for sub-folders. I've tried to list my applications by alphabetical order, didn't work. Folder's use the .desktop of the app and thus are arranged automatically by that order, not by the alias (e.g. osso-calculator.desktop would be Laskin (Calculator). So far we don't know how to make the listing alphabetical, unless the programmer himself would find out how to do it.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Never tried it in the sub-folders, I know it never worked on the folders themselves in the main menu, but does for applications in the main menu. I know it works off of the "Name=" line, the only way I could get my Debian folder to show up last, was to put Name=zDebian, no matter what I named the actual files. X-Osso-User-Position doesn't seem to have any effect either.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Ah, sorry, my bad. I answered quite quickly to this in the morning (on my way to work) so I didn't concentrate. So let me get it straight : no, it doesn't work for top-folders (the main one), I don't know about sub-folders. Never tried, maybe I should, at some point.

Again, sorry for misunderstanding. :rolleyes:

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

was trying to create games folder

hildon.menu set : true
hildon.menu matches : true

directory files:
applications.directory
audiovideo.directory
development.directory
education.directory
games.directory
geo.directory
graphics.directory
network.directory
office.directory
other.directory
scienece.direcotry
system.directory

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

i choose different folder name and it works, does that mean that folder exists somewhere? i had my menu intalled but unistalled it before putting this one on?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

i was able to create different name folder, i had mymenu before and i took it out before installinga apmefo

does it mean the folder still exists somewhere? if so where could i find it?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Ahhh, I mis-understood as well. In my experience:

Top-Folder:
1) You can order applications (listed before folders, currently I have phone, extended call log, contacts, conversation, then sub-folders in alphabetical order)
2) You can not order the sub-folders

Sub-Folder:
1) You can not order applications (tried this morning).
2) Sub-Folders - Haven't tried this (either sub-sub folders or ordering them).

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Good news: I'm tired, frustrated, in pain, about to lose my job and dying thanks the heat (at 11pm...). Since getting drunk is no option for me, burying myself in my shitty Python code is the only thing to keep me from giving in to the urge to forcefully hit the concrete beneath my window.

So expect an influx of updates in the near future.

But first things first:

So, seems like the .directory file was successfully created and the culprit is actually the .menu file. And what a culprit it is - for if that's really all the diagnosis tool returned it seems like the whole submenu folder doesn't exist... :eek:

Even more strange the fact that it works for other folders now - maybe it was just a temporary hiccup and got fixed with the next folder? Did you try recreating the games folder again after that?

Normally, neither MyMenu nor Catorise should have any effect on the creation of the files (only on how the folders are displayed in the menu later), so this shouldn't be the problem. Even if there was an old folder with the same name, it should be overwritten (or at least overruled).

If still doesn't work, I guess I'll have to expand on the diagnosis tool to also print the actual XML code of all the folders.



@lemmyslender & rantom: Not sure I can really follow your conversation (as stated above: I'm tired and my brain's a sluggish mess), but it seems like you're having problems re-arranging applications within folders?

That actually works quite well for me - it's even included with build 5 already:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/...a6249325_b.jpg

Added a couple of other fixes to build 5, will be updating the front page in a minute.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

New version of the ToDo list:

Features and Bugs for V1.0
Before adding a lot of new functionality, I'd like to get a stable and usable V1.0 out there. This will include the following requests:

• The popups for selecting Folders and Applications will be sorted alphabetically. Done
• The popup for selecting Applications will allow for multiple selections (this makes the request for getting rid of the OK button impossible, so the button will have to stay in there). Done
• When adding/removing Applications, ONLY the part between the Include tags will be modified. That way, it will be possible to manually add applications between Exclude tags without them being touch by ApMeFo. Done
• I will try to implement better routines to check whether an application is set to NoDisplay or not (hopefully I only overlooked a small case inconsistency, which would be easy to fix then). Can anybody say whether it got any better with build 5?
• If possible, I would like to fetch localised application names. Sadly, I don't have the faintest idea how to do that - would be happy about any hint you could give me!

Post V1.0 features
Once we have a stable release, in relatively small version steps I'd like to implement the rest of the request. Not sure which of them are actually do-able, and with some I'm still unsure on how to best implement them:

• In the select popup, do not list applications already added to the current folder. Not quite high on my list of priorities, since adding an application twice to the same folder won't do no harm, anyway. But for reasons of clarity it will be fixed eventually.
• In the select popup, add a button "Show only unallocated applications". Not sure whether this will actually work, because checking every single folder against the list of applications might turn out rather slow. Will give it a try.
• Add auto-categorisation: Not sure whether this would be a good idea, since most applications are either not marked or put into a totally random folder. If anything, reading Catorise's file would be an option, but that would only work when both applications could run at the same time (see me last post).
• Rearrange/sort applications: Would love to add this feature, but until I learn how to do this manually I won't be able to include it with ApMeFo. Done - thanks lemmyslender!
• Allow for non-Ascii names of folders (and find no-Ascii names of applications): Sadly, I haven't yet found a way to do that with Python. Will definitely try to get a workaround, though. Working on that right now.
• Add the ability to rename folders: Probably one of the first changes, since this is both easy to do AND a great idea.
• Add a setting to automatically add new applications to a "More..." folder instead of to the main menu.
• Hide/Unhide folders. Not sure whether this works, but if it does, it will definitely be included!

Requests I'm not sure about
These are request that where made but I'm not quite sure about. Would be happy about any input on what others think about it.

• Omitting the filenames of icons in the selection popup. While this would make scrolling less tedious, I'm not sure whether to implement this. Filenames can be quite a good indicator on where you are (for example, once I'm around the icons starting with "F" I know I'll have to expect the filemanager_* icons soon).
• Make separate buttons for Create and Edit. Would this really be an advantage over the current system? If not I'm not sure whether it would be worthwhile to add a couple of new methods and messages to do so.

Requests that are most probably not going to make it in
Because they are either impossible/dangerous or simply not necessary.

• While I more than understand those requests, I won't do anything that includes modifying hildon.menu at DOM level. I'm just not prepared to risk messing up other people's devices (bad enough that I already do with a less critical copy&paste modification of the file :D). Sadly, this also includes rearranging and sorting folders and applications in the main menu... :(
• Backup changes done with ApMeFo: Actually, there's just no need to do that. If you decide to deactivate or uninstall ApMeFo, both the .desktop files and the .menu files will remain, they just won't have any effect on your menu (provided to deleted hildon.menu). Once you reinstall/-activate ApMeFo, you'll have full access to those folder settings again.

Again, if I missed anything, please let me know!

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Wasn't this possible pre-pr1.2? I tried a couple things I saw here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=42 but couldn't get it to work as right now adding another <Menu> under layout doesn't show up in order (really frustrating since I swear I got it to work once before!)

And also, what about folders within folders? Those could be reordered in the same way as applications do, without messing directly with the main hildon.menu, right?

Also this, do you have any idea of how to do this? Adding <All/>, <OnlyUnallocated/>, <Merge type="all"/>, etc, all break subfolders here.

Someone get me the PR1.1.1 launcher back :P

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I was having issues with re-arranging the order of apps in sub-folders (manually), but the latest version works great! :)

Looking very good so far.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

well i never created all those folders they have same names as mymenu so i think thats where they coming from also can not delete them, any one knows where would they be located at so i can get rude of them manually?

also can renaming a folder be implemented?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

ok i found it and delted old directories now it works fine
they are located at : usr/share/applications/hildon

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thanks for the great app.

I am having a problem putting Maepad into a folder. Has anybody came across the same problem?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Great app thanks, been trying catorise for ages and it just doesnt work, took ages to scroll through everything, your app worked first time and works great, thanks!

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thanks for sharing that information with us, amorek13! I'll try installing MyMenu and look into that problem in one of the 1.0+ releases. Though I'm not sure it will be possible (since it seems like deleting those files is the only thing I could do, and I don't want to mess with files created by other applications).

@asyik: Is that the one using the Greek æ in it's name? If so, I hope I'll be able to provide a solution for that soon. Right now ApMeFo doesn't support non-Ascii characters, so I hope this will be fixed once I manage to utilise UTF-8.

Though it could also be because of another bug I just recently learned about when installing Transmission, which for some strange reason doesn't show up in the list, either.

I'll install Maepad once I'm done with the encoding part to see which one of those bugs is keeping people from moving it - will post my results here, then.

@Jezz: Glad you like it! Feel free to add any requests to the list if you find something that could be improved.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

@Nathraiben: yep. that's the one. :)

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

1 thing i have noticed (apologies if this has been mentioned, did not check the 12 previous pages for it!) is that the main menu screen, after pressing menu, is scrolled all the way up, so to come out of the menu back to the desktop, i have to scroll all the way to the bottom and tap the empty area, instead of using the top, if that makes sense?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

First of all, no reason to apologise - better report bugs twice than never! :)

But I'm not sure I understood your issue right. If this is about exiting a folder (or, when you're already in the main menu, exiting the menu itself) that has more than 15 entries, you can click at the very top or sides of the screen as indicated by the red frames in this screenshot:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/...3d442ef5_b.jpg

Those areas are rather small, so it can be a bit of a pain (especially when using a silicon case), but sadly the only way to get around this seems to be by putting everything in folders and make sure neither in the main menu, nor within the folders there are ever more than 15 entries.

Did I get this right or were you talking about a different issue?

@all: I'm sorry for the slow progress at the moment, but two of my commercial projects are in a critical phase, so right now I'm a bit burned out when it comes to coding. Can't get myself to work on this for longer than 10min at a time... :(

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand your criticism of Catorise; and would love to fix it if it's a bug.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-4) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

WTF is "CatoriseGUI"? And why haven't I heard about it?! Seems to be a garage project and a package in Extras-devel; but otherwise unmentioned anywhere on the web AFAICT.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-2) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Of course!

Are they the catorse-....desktop files; to fix #8328?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-2) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Just to throw in my own experience: for me the application works like a charm. The only "issue" I have is that quite a couple applications are placed in categories where they simply don't belong.

But to everybody experiencing similar issues: I think it has to be stressed that this is NOT a problem of Catorise but rather of where each developer decides to place their own application in.

I didn't try it myself, since I only use well-documented applications that have their own thread here at TMO, myself.

But looking at the author's German website, they have written a very nice tutorial on how to edit the /opt/catorise/menu file in order to get around the misplaced application issue.

I guess CatoriseGUI is just the GUI approach to do the same. Not sure why they didn't announce it yet - maybe because they want to make it more polished before doing so?

In case you want to contact the author, here's their contact details from their website.

Thanks! :)
I think I already have an idea on how to go about this to let people experience both the comfort of Catorise and the freedom of ApMeFo.

YES! Stupid me, I didn't even think about looking for duplicate .desktop entries. :o

Once again, thanks so much! Now I can just exclude them in my hildon.menu file in order to make both applications work side by side. So, one no longer has to uninstall Catorise in order to use ApMeFo, making switching between them a matter of just pressing Activate or Deactivate from within ApMeFo.

And it's the final piece to actually make working both of them together something that can be done in one of the versions to come. I'm getting pretty exited now. :D

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Can someone tell me the name of the icon that has the folder and the phone?