maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   Applications (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=41)
-   -   [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5) (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57503)

ceroberts75 2010-07-09 03:59

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
awesome m8!

hqh 2010-07-09 07:54

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 745338)
And how can I upgrade all packages without selecting every package manually

By waiting for the next version :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 745338)
and does it also show the "invisible" upgradeable packages which are only shown when you do a "apt-get upgrade" in the X-Terminal?

It shows them if you select the package filter "All packages (ADVANCED)". Some of them might not get upgraded (even if they are shown upgradeable) if apt-get decides so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 745338)
Is it possible to also show the changelog of a package (if available)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 745382)
Well, packages have changelogs on-site, so in theory an option could be added.

I thought of that before, but it appears the changelogs get purged when the packages are installed on the device. They'd have to be queried separately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 745646)
sorry if i missed it but why is the diablo version stuck at 2.0?

I did not upload this to diablo autobuilder, somebody else did. I have no plans supporting this on diablo.

DaSilva 2010-07-09 07:58

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
What will happen if FAppMan finds an update for itself and wants to install it? Is it safe to do it?

hqh 2010-07-09 08:01

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 745794)
What will happen if FAppMan finds an update for itself and wants to install it? Is it safe to do it?

From the package management point of view it works and should be safe. It's however still in extras-devel and I promise nothing :)

AlMehdi 2010-07-09 08:13

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
A proposal would be to add an export feature. Could be pretty easy i think. Just make a log of the output of "dpkg -l" or something. Then if you need to reflash.. just load the list and install. ;)

pelago 2010-07-09 08:42

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 745807)
A proposal would be to add an export feature. Could be pretty easy i think. Just make a log of the output of "dpkg -l" or something. Then if you need to reflash.. just load the list and install. ;)

I think the build-in Backup application already does this.

AlMehdi 2010-07-09 09:11

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 745833)
I think the build-in Backup application already does this.

I am not sure but what i heard it only saves a list. It will not install the programs for you.

Rob1n 2010-07-09 10:01

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 745865)
I am not sure but what i heard it only saves a list. It will not install the programs for you.

It adds an option into App Manager to re-install some/all of the applications you had installed at the time of the backup.

ALLEyezOnMe 2010-07-09 10:15

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hqh (Post 745797)
From the package management point of view it works and should be safe. It's however still in extras-devel and I promise nothing :)

I did that and it went good. No problems whatsoever :)

azz 2010-07-09 10:45

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
loving fapman....much thanks for making my life easier....leave it to the community to create a better app manager...just so like Nokia...again, much thanks...:D

tso 2010-07-09 23:41

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by linuxeventually (Post 736974)
Damn you!!!

I've been working on my version called pkgman for weeks

i'm guess this as well will only be supported on fremantle.

that is, if the project have not been dropped fully.

Wichall 2010-07-12 09:27

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Is anyone else getting error code 100 exit 0 on installing, removing or upgrading the app?

Everything works fine, but it appears not to be reading the log file correctly, if I check the log, it appears to have just cut short the output of apt-get and therefore doesn't think the installation was successful, even though it was...

Not really a big issue since it all still works fine, great app :D

rantom 2010-07-13 04:20

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wichall (Post 748970)
Is anyone else getting error code 100 exit 0 on installing, removing or upgrading the app?

Everything works fine, but it appears not to be reading the log file correctly, if I check the log, it appears to have just cut short the output of apt-get and therefore doesn't think the installation was successful, even though it was...

Not really a big issue since it all still works fine, great app :D

Happened to me too, though that was because I had Extras-devel enabled twice (from the fapman itself and the original Applications Manager). Which brings me to one question : can fapman be adjusted so, that the user would not see the extras-devel/testing as a duplicate in fapman, if there is already entries for those in App. Manager?

Not a big isssue and I'm only seeing the -devel as a duplicate. Just had to disable the second one to let my App. Manager get the Extras/Maemo.org and other quite stable updates, where as fapman get's the non-stable.

dchky 2010-07-13 04:51

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
One thing that bothers me a fair amount with this, dependencies. Obviously the best application will figure that all out for me and then simply install whatever it needs to get the job done. This current version requires me to check the log to see why it failed - it's not possible to do that through the application without clearing the programs I have selected for installation. I need to go back a step in the interface to see the log, then I need to remember what it was I wanted to install. Not a problem if it's only one or two things, but when you have a long list, it's not really possible.

A better solution would be to simply display the log content in a floating window on the current screen.

If dependencies can't be resolved within the program itself, then it'd be cool if the application could have an option to list absolutely everything within the repositories for me to pick as needed.

No problem if dependencies fail, just that I'd like to be able to do some manual fixing without losing my package selections. Obviously sometimes dependencies can't be fixed at all... But I figure if 'aptitude install <package>' works, then it should also work in this app : )

Hope that makes sense.

hqh 2010-07-13 14:58

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wichall (Post 748970)
Is anyone else getting error code 100 exit 0 on installing, removing or upgrading the app?

Everything works fine, but it appears not to be reading the log file correctly, if I check the log, it appears to have just cut short the output of apt-get and therefore doesn't think the installation was successful, even though it was...

The log viewer is currently a bit crippled, it only shows part of the log if the log is too long. Better to check the log file directly (it's at /root/.fapman/lastlog.txt).

Quote:

Originally Posted by rantom (Post 749825)
Which brings me to one question : can fapman be adjusted so, that the user would not see the extras-devel/testing as a duplicate in fapman, if there is already entries for those in App. Manager?

Faster App Manager already overwrites the hildon application manager's repository list in apt-get's sources.d directory every time the catalogs are updated, so I cannot understand how "duplicates" could become a problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dchky (Post 749842)
One thing that bothers me a fair amount with this, dependencies.
...
A better solution would be to simply display the log content in a floating window on the current screen.

I'll make the log viewable in the package list view too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dchky (Post 749842)
If dependencies can't be resolved within the program itself, then it'd be cool if the application could have an option to list absolutely everything within the repositories for me to pick as needed.

No problem if dependencies fail, just that I'd like to be able to do some manual fixing without losing my package selections. Obviously sometimes dependencies can't be fixed at all... But I figure if 'aptitude install <package>' works, then it should also work in this app : )

Dependencies are solved with apt-get, so everything that can be installed with apt-get *should* be possible to install with Faster App Manager. Just make sure you have enabled all the necessary repositories and updated the catalogs.

DaSilva 2010-07-13 15:02

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
If I choose "Show all upgradeable packages (ADVANCED)" the previously "invisible" packages are shown but when I select them for an upgrade they are invisible again as soon as I start the upgrade.

ryanl33x1511 2010-07-14 06:27

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
i had a problem tried to uninstall app more than 1app at same time, uninstall 1app is fine but more than that will just keep loading circle bar running back and forward after reading the dependencies, click ok to confirm remove then removing packages...loading forever unfortunately i had to endtask it. any one experienced this?

AlMehdi 2010-07-14 06:41

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
I know this might be unneccessary and early.. but it would be cool if it where possible to theme like the stock. Or at least try to mimic it's look. I love the program but it could look a bit nicer.

ryanl33x1511 2010-07-14 06:47

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
issued resolved, because one of the app wwas involved in with easy Debian which couldnt remove.

hqh 2010-07-14 15:03

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Version 0.4 brings many improvements, hopefully not too many new bugs.

* Show more progress information for operations
* Added options menu (autoremove, autoclean, autorotation)
* Improved repository UI
* "Upgrade all" option shown in menu when upgrade filter is selected
* A bit of rewritten code: Don't call apt-cache binary, read the package lists directly instead
* Made it possible to cancel certain operations
* Show what repositories packages are in
* Improved logging/log viewer

Had to borrow a little bit of code from apt to ensure that package versions get compared correctly.

Known bugs: Updating menu icons after installation does not work or works only sometimes.

Oh, and this is also my entry to the coding competition :)

Snoshrk 2010-07-14 19:50

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
@hqh

You rock!

I never realized that I hated the stock AppMgr 'til I played with this yesterday:D

I see that Maemo5 is @ version 0.4 Any love coming for the poor unwashed Maemo4 masses out here?;);)

Thanks

Sno

Bingley Joe 2010-07-15 03:31

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
I haven't noticed any unusual slowdown FWIW.


One thing i'd like to see though is a true progress bar.

Could be in addition to the current activity ball -- I quite like that as well, but a progress bar has the advantage of giving at least some idea of how long an action is taking/is expected to take.

Otherwise, this app is just great :)


EDIT: oops -- just remembered one other small feature request I have:

It would be great if a package's info screen showed which repository it was being downloaded from. This would be especially useful with upgrades as I don't always want to install Extras-devel updates for some of the apps I use.

karatestarfish 2010-07-15 04:11

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Thanks for the good work, this looks like a great improvement over the original application manager, performance-wise.

It looks at the moment like it won't use system proxy settings, is that correct? This is a pet peeve of mine with the official app manager too, how hard would it be to add this in as a feature?

frostbyte 2010-07-15 05:02

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
really nicely done! Best App of the Decade (B.A.D)!

pantera1989 2010-07-15 06:17

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Please I never got an answer.

Will you add sorting?

Sort Alphabetically
Sort By Date (newest first)
Sort by Size (Largest first)

Sorting is the most I miss from the default Application Manager.

cjp 2010-07-15 07:59

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jd4200 (Post 752251)
Does anyone else find installing this severely slows down their device?

I installed it last week with a bunch of other apps. and noticed the slow down, I decided to reflash both rootfs and emmc because I wanted to start a fresh.

I reinstalled around 20 of my usual application, and the phone was pretty swift; however, I've just reinstalled fapman and the phone has once again become very slow, even when the application is not running.

I have just removed fapman through the native application manager; the uninstall took well over two minutes to complete, upon removal and reboot the phone is now as fast as it was before.

Any ideas as to the cause? I understand this is still in development so would like to help debug if possible.

Thanks none-the-less for a great app.

I think Fapman has no reason to hang around once you close it, so I would still turn to other apps to possibly cause the problem. Unless you keep it in the background?

AlMehdi 2010-07-15 08:51

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
I would like FAP to be my default application manager (i.e that FAP starts instead of HAM when statusbar shows upgradable package).

I used terminal for application management before this program.. so it made me switch to UI again ;)

F2thaK 2010-07-15 08:56

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
I am loving this app - nice update indeed!

hqh 2010-07-15 09:48

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoshrk (Post 751968)
I see that Maemo5 is @ version 0.4 Any love coming for the poor unwashed Maemo4 masses out here?;);)

No, sorry. It was user 'linuxeventually' who put it in the diablo autobuilder, not me. Maybe you should ask him/her about diablo support ;) I don't even own a diablo device.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd4200 (Post 752251)
Does anyone else find installing this severely slows down their device?

There are no daemons or anything left running, so if you're the only user experiencing this I'd like to think that the reason for slowdowns is somewhere else :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bingley Joe (Post 752342)
One thing i'd like to see though is a true progress bar.

Could be in addition to the current activity ball -- I quite like that as well, but a progress bar has the advantage of giving at least some idea of how long an action is taking/is expected to take.

There is a progress bar for downloads in the latest version. For other operations there is the problem that a progress bar is pretty useless if there's no way to know how long the operation will take before starting it... I'll try if I can do something about it, but some operations like unpacking/removal will definitely have to do with the ball only.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bingley Joe (Post 752342)
It would be great if a package's info screen showed which repository it was being downloaded from. This would be especially useful with upgrades as I don't always want to install Extras-devel updates for some of the apps I use.

This has already been added in the latest version. (It shows multiple repositories if the same version of the package exists in all of them - but that should not matter)

Quote:

Originally Posted by karatestarfish (Post 752356)
It looks at the moment like it won't use system proxy settings, is that correct? This is a pet peeve of mine with the official app manager too, how hard would it be to add this in as a feature?

That depends whether apt-get can be made to use them or not. I'll take a look.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 752416)
Will you add sorting?
Sorting is the most I miss from the default Application Manager.

Yes, I'll add sorting. But there's still the problem that there is no date information available in the system for packages that have not been installed. Querying it over http for each package is quite slow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 752505)
I would like FAP to be my default application manager (i.e that FAP starts instead of HAM when statusbar shows upgradable package).

Don't know if that is possible. I might take a look at that when everything else is done.

NokiaRocks 2010-07-15 11:32

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Great update again ! You're the man. Keep up the good work.
I really like fapman.

Seven89 2010-07-15 11:58

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Hello.
I have a problem and I hoped someone could help me.
When I choose "Install applications", the app shows no packages available, even with status filter on "not installed" and category filter on "all user categories"
It only lets me see apps that are already installed by choosing "installed" as a status filter.

I really like this app, it's waaay better than the AppManager.
And that's why I hope there's a solution for this!
Thanks in advance for your help.

Bingley Joe 2010-07-15 12:28

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
OOOH! One last thing I remember thinking would be great (last one, i swear):

The ability to somehow browse newly added packages since the last time you looked through the available (not installed) apps list.. I'm not sure if this is even possible, but it would be nice not to have to scroll through all the old stuff just to see if any new goodies have been released..


Really amazing work though, hqh.. thanks for all your efforts :)

ndi 2010-07-15 18:38

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Appwatch does even better.

hqh 2010-07-15 20:27

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seven89 (Post 752703)
When I choose "Install applications", the app shows no packages available, even with status filter on "not installed" and category filter on "all user categories"
It only lets me see apps that are already installed by choosing "installed" as a status filter..

Confirm that your repository list is not empty and your repositories are enabled.

Version 0.4.1
* Progress bars for loading package lists and updating catalogs
* New icons and more polished main menu
* Fixed a bug that prevented some error messages from showing

TNiga 2010-07-15 22:44

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
Why does fapman update catalogs always when I choose install apps from main menu? Even when I have just updated them myself 2 seconds ago?

Flandry 2010-07-16 10:01

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
This is just a random thought, but is it possible to use differential updates for the repositories? I seem to recall reading about that being implemented in some app managers/repos but don't know if it's possible with m.o.

Good work on this, it's a really excellent alternative!

Coffee 2010-07-16 11:41

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
great work mate, the simple additions in the U.I. is worth it alone!

ndi 2010-07-16 22:13

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
As an enhancement, could we get the list of last-installed apps? I do some beta testing and I keep forgetting what's being added. The log is less helpful.

So, maybe, a log of installed apps in order, or, better yet, sort uninstall list by date installed?

nesrazz 2010-07-16 23:49

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
CONTINUOUS is this error. What can I do

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2...0071702442.png

F2thaK 2010-07-17 01:19

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager
 
great update to GUI, I wasnt a fan of the old one...

any chance of getting system notifications when a task is complete??

cheers


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:08.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8