Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hi Peter,

Thanks for creating what looks like a very promising music player for Maemo. I really like the clean UI, and when this application is completed, I can see that it will more than likely be my default music player. I have just over 3,600 songs (400 albums) at quite high bit rates on the main memory of my N900, with album art compiled mainly using MussOrgsky. I don't have a recent enough Mac to use the Insinctiv main application from your website, and have been using a WinXP netbook to administer the songs on my N900 via simple file transfer.

I've downloaded and installed the .deb file linked to in your post #59 and 'About' reports that I'm running v 0.3.14. EDIT: Downloading version from Ovi Store after reading (properly) post #59!!! EDIT:EDIT I'm switching back to the later version linked to in post #59 because it includes album art in listings ;)

I've had it running for a couple of hours. As previously stated, I had already linked artwork to all of my music using MussOrgsky, but Instinctiv seems to be taking some time to either find it's own artwork, or index it in some way. I'm finding scrolling through the Albums list extremely laggy. Scrolling Artists or Songs seems much smoother. I'm pretty sure that Instinctiv has had enough time to work out all the album art now, but it is still really slow and the images gradually populate the album list piece-meal even after a re-boot.

As per previous posts, a voting system for features/improvements is a very good plan. It is also worth considering the option to vote both for and against the options. This will give a clearer picture of the demand for specific features. Some people here I note are either for or against an on-screen volume slider. I'm for it, because I am keen on multiple input methods, but I respect the opinions of those who are against.

The things I'd like to see are:

+1 for more sub-menu choices i.e. Most Played, Recently added, etc.
+1 for playlists
+1 for landscape mode
+1 for a widget ( I use the widget when driving on my 'in car' desktop )
+1 for 'cover flow' style album browsing :o
If I pick an album, I'd also like a 'More albums from this Artsist' choice.
If I pick an Artist, instead of a complete list of songs by that Artist, I'd like to first see the album choices before listing the songs.
If I pick a song from songs, I'd like to see a 'More songs from this Artist' choice in addition to the song picked.
When listing all the songs in an album, I'm not sure if it's worth showing the same album art next to each track listing over and over, it looks kinda' clumsy because you really only need one image.
Alphabetic listing places non-alpha numeric chars at top of list i.e. "( I can't get no) Satisfaction" is near the top of the list when it ought to be in the I's for India.
I strongly agree with a faster input method for alphabetic searching. I actively use the keyboard to search Songs, Artists, etc. with the built-in media player in landscape mode and would miss this feature if it doesn't reach your player.

Interesting thing I just did then. I was playing a song in single track mode from 'Songs' and then instinctively 'swiped' right to see what the next song was. Obviously, nothing happened, but does this point to another possible UI feature? On checking my (cough) Touch, I find that a right swipe returns me to the list of songs and a left swipe does nothing. A swipe of a song's album art while playing could reveal more info, lyrics, more albums, tracks, whatever, but it's worth exploiting for some feature or other.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

This is a really good music player! Performance on Instictiv already rivals the stock media player and the UI is far better looking and user friendly. Will definitely become my main media player if it keeps improving!

Btw, I think earlier in the thread it was asked that people report the size of their music library, I have ~5300 songs.

As for extra features, I agree with what most of people have been saying, for me the priorities would be:

> Allow editing of which folders get indexed, right now my podcasts are getting mixed with my music;
> Add folder browsing, search, playlists, etc. anything that makes locating music easier;
> Enable hardware buttons when the screen is locked (through MAFW I guess);
> Keep improving performance! ;) Scrolling through some lists gets laggy.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Right / left swipe.

Okay, I thought about this track left/right swipe scenario and I'd like it to bring a choice of:

Albums from this artist
Songs from this artist
More songs like this song (using your yet to be released algorithm)
Detailed track info including file location, size, file type, bit rate, etc.(with further option to edit album art, artist name, track name, album name, etc.)

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hi! I don't see in the version you posted the abbility to browse folders that you said it is fixed. Why? Why you are not sharing the latest version available, you said 0.9, if you wanna know what improvements should be done?
Nothing spectacular betwen this 0.34.1 and the one from OVI, maybe a little bit slower!

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Guys, let's keep it constructive. Peter will release whatever he feels like is ready. Nothing else.

Again, for those who probably did not ready my post.

Up until now the only things I've been read was "I will vote against a volume slider" and "I dont want one". That's it. Care to elaborate why? There's space at the bottom, why not use it? And clicking the status menu from within Instinctive+in portrait mode takes too long if you quickly need to put the volume down.

http://www.wattix.com/blog/chilligan...rmelonlake.jpg

Let's wait until Peter gets back to us and can tell us what he can include now and what he'll push further back before we add more "wanted features" to this thread.

If this "I want I want I want can we include release release release" continues his brain will be subjected to increased pressure and stress, so give him a break people.

@Andrew_b: Great input! A couple of very interesting ideas, cheers!

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Been having problems running this myself.
Downloaded from Ovi Store, but when I run it it works fine up to the point where I tap on a track, then it shuts down. But at present it's shutting down as I start it.

I've been in contact with Peter via email, but I think I'll switch to using this forum in future. Maybe get a few more ideas.

First off, what is the latest version, and is that the one that's on OVi Store?

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I guess when he said this was a "0.9" release, he meant that in general it is not yet a finished 1.0 release, rather than than referring specifically to the exact version number.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Mh. That's weird, no idea why it's doing that?

I'd suggest not overloading him atm, he's clearly developing the application further, and seeing that he's alone or working with a small team he most likely does not have the time to bugfix via email. In the future please post in this thread if you have issues.

here (a.deb): 0.3.xx
Ovi store: 0.2.14

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Thanks for getting back Haus3r.

I'll give the deb file a go see what happens with that.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Just downloaded this deb now but can't test it yet. I am impressed that you are here on the forums Peter and actively seeking feedback. I saw the app on OVI a few days ago but wasn't sure how good it was going to be. After seeing there is a devel here working with us, I'll happily try it out.

Will give feedback when I am not in work and can listen to music.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I downloaded the deb file,,but when i run it, it does not work, it shut down it self.
could someone help me please. I'm so exiting to use it.
thanks

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Since it triplicates functionality (there are the hw buttons and status bar already) I would say extra volume controls should be very low on priority list. Also, even though that space might be free, there might be other future features that would need it (shuffle+repeat controls?) or even just from an design perspective there is value in an uncluttered interface.

I'm not saying that I'm against it, but I do think that right now devel resources would be better spent elsewhere.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

This is a very nice looking and polished application. I downloaded it yesterday and it worked no problem for me, the only issues I saw were:

1) I have over 2500 tracks on my phone currently and when I put on instinctive shuffle it seemed to go through the same ones over and over again - this could just have been due to an initial learning period but it was a little frustrating.

2) When you go to album or the artist selection you have to scroll all the way to it - a better idea here might be to do something like the phone book (when in portrait mode) in that there would be the letters on the right hand side and clicking on jumps straight to the artist/album starting with that letter - while I found the scrolling perfectly smooth in the ovi store version I had to do a lot to get to artists beginning with U for example. Also when you do scroll to an artist and then you want to select another artist the list resets itself all the way back to the beginning.

3) Could a Genre search be a possibility for a future version?

Great application by the way, I was surprised to see that it was free in the Ovi store!

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I'd guess you have the same issue I have (see here and here), in which case you either need to uninstall the libav* packages (and their dependants), or wait for a fixed version of Instinctiv to be made available.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

For me, it just crashes. :(
Start->Library->Songs->Scroll->Crash
Similar for the other functions.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Very nice app, Peter. I'd be interested in reading an account of your experience posting an app through the ovi store.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I'll wait to install this until it gets playlists and landscape mode, but it looks brilliant :)



In the mean time, how do we donate?



Would also love to see a widget.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

For voting, polling getsatisfaction doesn't do a horrible job. http://getsatisfaction.com/instincti...stinctiv_maemo
That said, we're following this thread closely and are keeping a manual tally of how many people request a given feature. Unless they affect very few people, bug fixes tend to get prioritized ahead of new development but the rest of our todo list is heavily request driven :)

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hello all,

I am also a developer at Instinctiv and I am helping Peter. Thank you very much for your help for fixing issues of the player. We appreciate this! :)

About such errors:
/opt/instinctiv/instinctiv: relocation_error: /opt/instinctiv/instinctiv: symbol __aeabi_d2lz, version LIBAVCODEC_52 not defined in file libavcodec.so.52 with link time reference

You have to use this script to start the application: /usr/local/instinctiv/bin/instinctiv.launch
We use specific version of ffmpeg and that's why the instinctiv package install these libraries. That's why the script loads these libraries to the current bash session settings and then starts the executable.
Please use the icon for the player in the menu or use this script to start the application.

If you have any other questions or suggestions we will be glad to help you all.

Thanks and regards,
Mihail

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Translating the app is on the todo list :) Making the jerky scrolling is a major gripe of mine as well. We're working on it.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hi Mihail, and thanks for repsonding. I have been using that script and that's when I get the errors. Furthermore, the Instinctiv package does not install any ffmpeg/libav* libraries (the dependency list is libc6, libgcc1, libqt4-core, libqt4-gui, libstdc++6, zlib1g, libasound2, libuuid1, libpulse0, pulseaudio).

EDIT: Oh, I see - you install them as part of the Instinctiv package. In that case, the bug is that you're appending the required path to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable, not prepending it.

EDIT2: That doesn't help either. It's using the versions from /usr/lib regardless.

EDIT3: I was able to get it working by specifying all the libraries (with full path) in LD_PRELOAD

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Not to make you feel bad or anything but that feature is already implemented on our android app :) Maemo will catch up though -- it's an obvious UI decision and incredibly useful in contexts where finger precision is hard (like when you're driving).

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Sorry for the confusion. The main difference between this version and the previous one is better debug information that will help us quash more bugs. There are some small changes like a roll over to our production servers for better data and artwork in lists, though we're still polishing and optimizing that functionality (as you can tell :))

When I said this is a 0.9 release, I meant that figuratively, rather than literally. 0.9 is commonly used to denote "beta" or "work in progress", and that's how feel about this app. We're really excited about where the app is going especially with all the great feedback from you guys... but we're not "there" yet :) Playlisting and folder browsing is high up on the todo list. Neither is functional just yet, but when it's ready, you'll be the first to know.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Can I ask how you guys are launching the app? There's a script /usr/local/instinctiv/bin/instinctiv.launch that sets the loader paths. If you try and launch the bin directly you'll get the kinds of warnings you guys are reporting.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Awesome! We'll make that change on our end as well.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I still wonder why it's not working - according to the ld.so documentation, LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be checked before everything except DT_RPATH/DT_RUNPATH - is Instinctiv (or the libraries themselves) being compiled using -rpath?

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Using the Icon! Oldschool ey? :D

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

To Peter, can you add your reply after the quote (like this reply) rather than before it? It's easier to read that way.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

I just clicked the .deb link in your earlier post from Firefox browser on my N900, chose 'Open', then it downloaded and the App Manager took care of the installation. To launch, I click the Instinctiv icon I've added to one of my desktops. It launches perfectly, every time.

Minor niggle. I'm not sure if it's my desktop theme, but I find it quite hard to read the numbers of tracks against each album. Mine is showing up light blue against a not so light blue background and the contrast is very low, making it hard to read. The track times are dark grey and easy to read.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Ah yes, objdump is my friend:

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the great app, however, I am unable to hear any sound when I am using the silent profile on N900 and the stock media player does not exhibit this behaviour. Can you please look into this?

Keep up the good work.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Aarrgh!!!!! >.<

Still not working for me after installing the .deb file and using the script Here to launch it I get all the album art now though, so it gets a bit further than before, but still shuts down when I select a track.:confused:

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Love the idea, if you need any help with design elements buttons etc. let me know and I'll whip em up.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Hi!
I'm using the 0.3.14 version.
The Instinctiv Shuffle and Play Songs Similar to... are not working. The message when I try to launch any of the feature is: “Analyzing... Please come back later!”
It is a bug or I should re-install?

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Can do :D ~ PB

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Yeh im getting this too. Have been "back" many times during the day, nothing. Gutted :D

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

We're still loading up the database so the number of songs we know enough to construct "mood maps" (which are used to power instinctiv shuffle) is still fairly low. We'll also be making some upgrades to the server so it works better in low data environments. ~ PB

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

yea man u r right.... first I was just playing music in this app while in the silent mode, so I thought that it is not working in my phone, but after reading ur statment, I swtiched to th general profile and then only I was able to hear the sound....thnx dude

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

So Instictiv uses a data connection? What/how much data does it transmit/receive? I'm roaming right now and need to keep an eye on that stuff.

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 

Instinctiv pulls data from the server for 2 things at the moment (though more features will be server dependent in the future).

1) Instinctiv shuffle. Using an encrypted connection Instinctiv anonymously uploads the names (and other metadata) of the songs you have on your device. The server then returns you a "mood map" which lets Instinctiv shuffle know which songs are related to which other songs, how and by how much. We also monitor which songs you play and skip and use that to personalize the shuffle. For every 1000 songs budget 50k of data up and 4k of data down. For every 10 songs listened to, budget 1k up.

2) Artwork fetching. This one's the one that'll kill you. We download missing cover art and each cover can be up to a couple hundred k per song...