Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin
 

Because I'm not in the corporate espionage world, I imagine I'd feel just a bit different than he does. He played the game, now he appears to be losing it -- massively different than your hypothetical (and ridiculous) situation of losing without ever playing, isn't it?

I have a hard time seeing this as Nokia "destroying [his] life", or feeling the sympathy you seem to.

Y'know, it's not like an ordinary guy just going about his business is suddenly entangled in Nokia's leaks for no reason. He sought out information and prototypes/access to prototypes, knowing that he was likely violating trade secret laws, and encouraging others (i.e. his Nokia contact(s)) to violate trade secret laws; one can only assume he knew the risks.

It's not (AFAIK) like Nokia is changing the laws, or that he was in any way prevented from knowing them when he started out, so it seems like he knew the rules, and decided to play anyway. In that context, I just can't see how Nokia "doing it lawfully" can be anything but fair; he gambled, knowing the odds, and lost.

And I love how you take Nokia's assertions as nothing, and his "official statement" as absolute truth. :rolleyes:

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Forgive me for not believing Nokia. It's not like Nokia has ever lied or contradicted themselves right?

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If Nokia would refrain from putting out such crap prototypes and phones he wouldn't be giving them bad reviews and this wouldn't be an issue.

My opinion ;)

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Good reviews or bad reviews is not the problem here, the problem is the device being reviewed by that guy is an unreleased prototype model and it is not belonging to him. He is possessing Nokia's properties without Nokia acknowledgement and permission. He is still a thief. In my own opinion, anyone possessing something that isn't belonging to them legally is a thief. In this case he deserves it.

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Forgive me if I don't take a logical fallacy as a serious rebuttal. ;)

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Again, he had access to it, he didn't have possession of it. Someone else broke the NDA not him. He is only being targetted because Nokia don't know who else to target. Lets not put unique identifiers on the device body and interface. Lets have the cops search someones house and drag him through the courts to "send a message".

This is nothing more than bullying through financial clout. If I told the cops that Nokia breached my privacy by sending a message to HQ from my phone without my permission, they would NOT go the Nokia HQ and search all their computers. They would tell me to stop wasting police time.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin
 

It's all speculation and the truth will probably come out under oath. The return of the prototype is what Nokia is after mostly...

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You must be joking. He has clearly stated himself he has the device, and now contradicts himself. He even brags he has the qwerty version with him on vacation. He says he has managed to get 46 hours of music playback from the device, a remarkable feat considering he "only had it for a few hours".

Nokia is doing what it should do.

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin
 

hello Eldars mum, how are you today?

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...and I think that is the whole point Nokia is exposing by this.

Credibility.

I doubt that getting the device back is as valuable to Nokia as this fellow admitting that he does not have the device. It is a win win for Nokia.

Any "opinion" this fellow offers on any device in the future would be based on what; maybe he has it maybe he doesn't?

In the internet world where this issue actually lives (not the courts), that is like trying to sell unlocked iPhones on EBay without providing pictures.

Maybe you have them, maybe you don't.

Pictures do not prove a thing but it will affect the number of responses your ad receives.

Some have always had doubts about this fellows 'opinion" and have question his motivation in the past.

Others have defended him as some sort of cell phone Deity and doubting his opinion seemed to be treated as blasphemy. :rolleyes:

More and more posts like your previous one are now coming to light (thanks). This adds credibility to those who had doubts.

His own contradictory statements on this issue may not change the opinions of those who thought he was some kind of saint but I doubt many more will think so in the future.

I think that is all Nokia expects to regain. The benefit of the doubt.

:)

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I have only one further question though...

What if the N8 comes out and it's panned for the same exact reasons that Eldar has already stated? All of this time and Nokia hasn't improved anything. Would this be worth it?

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Still sorta shows that the fixes are needed and just might never come. Only the sales will dictate the victor in that scenario.

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So he lives for another sortie' and then perhaps he earns his sainthood rightously...

Its release is "soon", is it?

We all know how long a Nokia soon is, don't we? :D
Maybe they have time to make changes.

Perhaps he was used all along and Nokia is the deity and we're all part of a grand illusion...

I'm sure Boldar will always be around. If he isn't and we still are, I will make sure to reopen the topic by saying his correct name three times. :cool:


I'm just watching and commenting on the game o' life and in that game only one thing is near certain... things change. :)

Re: Nokia take legal action against Eldar Murtazin
 

Well at least the name calling is a bit gentle on this site. Guess I should stop offering another point of view to the masses. Serves me right for breaking up the group-think.

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Oh, come on. Group-think? here???

Stick around. Groups here are fluid.

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You may consinder the option that the masses can also be right.
Eldar posted right here on this site, bashing the unreleased N900 and claiming to have "high connections" in Nokia or somthing like that.
Nokia is hurting because someone is violating his NDS and he is helping that someone. They should've stopped him long ago.

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I never implied that I was right and you were wrong. I was simply bringing in another point of view.

"Nokia is hurting because someone is violating his NDS and he is helping that someone."

Helping someone break an NDA is not against the law. Signing an NDA and then breaking it is against the law. Nokia need to find and plug their leak internally. They do not need to target outside parties. That is pretty much my subjective opinion on the matter.

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I am not a lawyer but NOMOS is and had written a good long post on the subject. Go back and read it. What I claim is that eldar is not your average journalist, he has is own agenda and Nokia is using legal actions to fight back.

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I suspect Nokia are pretty sure who their "leak" is, imo the idea here is to make other journalists/bloggers think twice about writing damning reports on their hardware in future.

I can only imagine Eldar isn't stupid enough to have this prototype sitting around in his bedroom waiting to be searched, it would have been either returned long ago or lobbed into the river. So it makes me wonder how they think they can prosecute him. I don't know Russian law, but if he isnt found with the handset then surely it's a flimsy case. Which makes me think, does Nokia already have the handset and can confirm Eldar's prints (electronic or otherwise) on it, or have they tracked it's use remotely perhaps over the wireless connection on the handset? If not, then the whole exercise is just a scaring tactic.

If nothing else, it's interesting to see what will come of it :)

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I haven't been following this issue much, but I didn't see proof in this thread that Eldar was actually in permanent possession of the device.

By the way, I saw strong support in this thread for a sanctimonious statement of what Russian law stands for. In my experience, Russian law is a pretty fluid thing; even if a principle is shouted from the rooftops, it might be violated in practice practically everywhere. What courts will find depends on a lot of things other than what the law says. So I am skeptical about statements about Russian law that appear to imply it is similar to other legal systems in other countries.

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when looking at facts by NOMOS, about only one in this universe who could be 110% sure Eldar is completey innocent would be Eldar's mum.

e: haven't noticed any major showstopper bugs in my N900 that eldar warned about, btw..