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I had to break down and blog: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rs-new-bumper/

Maybe I should use a pic of Halle Berry to improve readership?

Buzz!

For huge sales in a very short period, that's more an indicator of prior product success and/or marketing. It can have very little at all to do with the current release.

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Please do.

Hmmm.. as a general comment about a 'platform', I think my comment still stands. If the latest release proves to be a failure or a better competitor shows up that negatively affects said platform, then that'll be the turning point of its competitive edge and marketshare. It's a snapshot of the cumulative level of success of a platform up to said point... so I think it's still one reliable indicator to measure a platform's 'success'.

<insert whole internet's rant about MS Windows dominance here>

Uh yeah, there's that...

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Well, yes, but that takes a while! The key qualifiers in my point were huge numbers and short time. The iPhone 4 fits that description; there hasn't been enough time yet for fallout but the selling numbers were monstrous.

I suspect that will be true of any platform... until the last model completely blows it or it falls victim to its own success (see: RAZR).

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:)

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http://www.gsmarena.com/antenna_wars...-news-1819.php

They left Nokia out of this one. The companies should sue Apple if there was any fairness.

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So you are applauding Stevos ego and the despicable way of putting the blame on other companies phones (which by the way are making EXCELLENT mobile phones for decades now) instead of realising his mistake with Iphone 4...wow...no comment

..and you must be smoking something thinking that the N900 has drop call issues!I laughed so hard on this statement....

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Apple's press conference was just a bunch of finger pointing and *** covering.

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i am having a right laugh at this...
when the n900 came out the ifans got on about " a phone is a phone is a phone" and it lacks proper phone features....even though us here continued with the "its an internet tablet with phone capability"...
now lets use the "its a phone" remark...the basic use of a phone is to make a call.....and if i cant make a call when i want too/how i want too...that defeats the primary feature of the device doesnt it?
what happened to your great technology apple? cant get it right now you cant use nokia patents? looooolll

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Well, Steve's right, other phones have these problems as well, but bringing other products into the conference? That's low. Also, it's bordering illegal. You see, a press conference is a way to extend your name, good or bad, and should count as advertisement. And, last I checked, you can't bring other products into your advertisement.

Also, what's this shock I hear about misreporting bars? Everybody misreports everything. Bars for signal, bars for battery. You know this. N900 reports "a pixel missing" when battery's down to 70%. Many a study has been made and they all say this: people tend to stop using phone when it's perceived as "low" on battery or signal. So they lie.

Some of my older phones has a 6-10 hour standby after the :low battery" bee-beep. N900 can't get a couple of hours if locked. And no wonder, it beeps when it's way, way too low.

Yet, nobody got so low on the scale to actually point that others do it. Because, mainly, just because others do it doesn't mean you didn't. Just because other got away with it, doesn't mean you should. If it did, nobody would be punished for anything, because THAT GUY got away with it.

Oh, and, Steve? Next time you try to say "we're as good as", pick better comparison.

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I have had two nokia models recently that had poor reception: 5130 and 5310. They often dropped calls from losing signal. My razr was the best for reception as it never dropped calls, and my n900 seems to as well.

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This reply is for both you and maluka since you both chose to attack me as opposed to my points.

1. I can't. it's a freaking brick. No one would buy it for more than 50$.
2. I went to the nokia forum. They ignored me. Does that prove my point or yours?
3. I'm not whining. I'm stating my opinion regarding an event. that is separate topic. Do not condescend people. Karma is a *****. and one day someone will condescend you
4. What supports me is a Nokia statement. what supports your claim that the N900 will have a fully working Meego?

Anyone calling anyone a troll is not being mature. It proves the opposite.

My topic was in the appropriate forum. I did not take away from your precious development space in N900 Devices and Applications.

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My point was. They came out and talked about it. They care about their image. Site after site after site thrash Nokia for good reason, and they have their head in the clouds.

What pisses me off to no end here is people who are condescending. There are so many of them here, You call Jobs selfish and insulting. But many here are no different.

What knowledge do you posses to conclude ALL 3 million iPhone 4s drop calls? Articles by Engadget or Gizmodo showing bars dropping? Have you held an iPhone 4 in your hand and it dropped a call? The guy gave numbers. The actual dropping of calls is no different than the 3GS. You'll say it's a lie. But what data do you have to prove it's a lie?

(By you in the previous paragraph. I don't mean someone specific)

Atleast a bumper "fixes" the iPhone 4. What will fix the n900 mail? or the front camera?

Don't even bother to answer. I'll answer for you.
"Eh. It's working fine with me" :rolleyes:

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Corso85, how did your phone become bricked? I'm not finding where that was listed.

Perhaps some more useful people in these boards can help you as opposed to pushing you aside. Have you started a thread diagnosing what symptoms you're currently having? Or is it physical damage?

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Just a few more posts and we'll meet today's Anger Quota.

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Let me post again. I tend to bring out the anger in folks without even trying.

Apple is bad. So is Nokia.

And watch the anger commence in 5, 4, 3...

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*fizzle*

Coudn't resist ...

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It's Sunday. The volatile are resting up, I guess.

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I've found a really interesting article from "Stiftung Warentest". "Stiftung Warentest" is THE foundation which test products for the consumer and gives recommendations based on that, in Germany. Very well known and respected.

The article is in German:
http://www.test.de/themen/computer-t...16516-4116521/

The Link to the google translated page:
http://translate.google.com/translat...2F&sl=de&tl=en

Basically they say, that the antenna design from the iPhone 4 is stupid, that a rubber case on a design-mobile is stupid, too and that other mobiles don't loss signal and drop calls like the iPhone 4.

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Ha! what good does it make to give away the rubber casing only just to give the users / apple fanboy a temporary solution....it defeat the purpose of the new elegant metal design looks and better put the antenna back inside the phone and problem solved. LOL!

Well, even the phone is defect, people will still love it. ..That is the fact.

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NO, thats not what THE GUY said.
He said the iPhone 4 drops approximately 1 more call than the 3GS and then went on to skey the stats totally.

Many bloggers have reported the true meaning of that little stats...

Now how good does THAT look ?



This Article from Slate is pretty good take on the whole fiasco.

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Man... the way Apple is handling this gets worse and worse...

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All along Apple said their products are magical, game-changing, special, and exceptional.


On Friday, Apple asked us to believe that the iPhone is just a phone. It's just like the phones that Nokia and RIM make, or Samsung or Motorola. Nothing special about it. That may be the single most important thing they said. All their marketing speak was down for one day.

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eh, apple invented iReturn?

1. nokia hasn't got such disastrous problems
->
2. nokia doesn't need to announce publicly that you can return your device. (and beside everyone should know the 14 days doa thingie...)

e: personally I don't like apples way of handling things. first whispering that we have a tiny problem and then shouting how every cellphone in the world is ****ed up. I'd be really pissed if I'd bought iPhone 4 right now. (Jobs words to them: gtfo and get a condom free of charge, there is no possibility that our faulty antennae design is our fault. it is your fault! live with it!)

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That's true. If Nokia still has something going for it is that as dreadful as software support is, hardware support was beyond reproach. Never had an unfixable, never refused a challenge, backed up my data to boot.

OTOH, if it's not under warranty, they're as expensive as a pair of implants. Oh well, we have a saying over here: soft skin costs money.

I remember ATI having this problem. Excellent hardware, poor software to the point I donated cards just so I wouldn't run amok in alphabetical order, ATI. But, merge with AMD, now they arguable lead the market.

Maybe that's what Nokia needs. A merger. How does Samsungia sound? Panasokia? Nokny? Nokkle? IBN?

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I can imagine the iphone5 launch, the most talked about feature will be the .....reception.
The all thing is really bad for consumers. It lowers the bar. Instead of a recall and a true fix expect a free case, and your next phone you'll have to make sure reception is good. Well, if it isn't a Nokia.

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Just to put these stats in context, operators strive for statistic in excess of 99.5% call completion rates, so 2% is masive. The 0.5 drop rate includes faulty network hardware and links out to sites.

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Well, so here is my conclusion, lol :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmb02...layer_embedded :cool:

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Just to put these stats in real life context... you drop 2-3 calls instead of 1 every 200 calls.
Will you notice that?

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You don't need to notice that. You know it for a fact.
Would you replace a credit card that charges 0.5% for one that charges 2% for every transaction ? Would you notice that ???

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That's the common fallacy. The probability to drop a call depends on the quality of the signal in the area. Most people living in areas with good reception never get to experience the dropped calls, independently on the antenna flaw. However, those who would have had a minor problem with 3GS suddenly have a huge problem with iP4. Those are the ones that are also vocal about the problem (the 0.55%).

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That's the thing. Phone calls are not the primary use of these devices anymore. Just look back at N900 to illustrate this point.

ps: I thought the difference is less than 1.5%?

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AT&T reported 1.4% for 3GS. We can only guess how much >1% is (the return rate of 0.55% was reported a lot more accurately, for some reason). If we take it to be 0.9%, then we get a 0.9/1.4=64% increase. Like I said before, this is the average which does not predict how badly an individual customer may be affected.

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http://www.gsmarena.com/german_stift...-news-1837.php

just a follow up, please tell me if the link above is already posted. just swing by a flash review of this thread.

in my opinion, i dont know what is with the battle of the internal antennas but what i know is, its getting better (or worse)

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Not the primary use ??? even Jobs didn't and claim that one.
ifeel like im irguing with an ibumper - always defend the iphone !
iagree with iyou. iphone is not for calls, that's why they added the no reception feature. Isn't it funny how all the iDiots are buying it and then try to use it as a phone ?
Please don't compare the N900 linux pc to silly smartphones, other phones can have similar issues/features it doesn't improve the reception of the one you are holding or calling with (can't do both).

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I don't think I'm on iCrack.

Let me just ask you one question to prove my point:

Do you spend more time making phone calls on your N900 than doing any other activities on it?

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I appologize if I offended you in any way I was just trying to be funny. I don't have an n900 only n800. But now I need a phone so I am going to buy the n900 as a phone. I realize it's not a very good choice for that but I really want one :)
Primary use ? I have a TV. It's primary use is to make me stupid and it needs good reception for that. Would it be ok if on educational programs the reception was bad ? That's not the primary use after all.
Like I said before the all thing is bad for consumer. From now on expect less. Less customer support, less innovation, less reception. I wish the new iphone was magnificent so the market would have to follow. The opposite occoured.

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in any mobile devices (like cellular/smartphones) i have not experience a poor signal (whoever the manufacturer is) except if the issue is within the service provider.

in the case of my n900, i do 90% of non-telephony stuff on it since last month.

it was my primary phone, but it always pisses me off if someone calls when im doing something with my n900 (Grrrrrr!!!!!!) like playing angry birds, or doing something via x-term, so i decided to switch the sim card of my other phone with my n900. and now, no one can disturb me playing with my n900!!!!!!!!! :D

and yeah, i agree with ysss with my statement above. maybe the n900 is too smart to be a phone. :)