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Texrat 2010-07-18 07:50

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
I had to break down and blog: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rs-new-bumper/

Maybe I should use a pic of Halle Berry to improve readership?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 755425)
But for a platform, bigger userbase is generally better and one of the primary indicator of its success.

Buzz!

For huge sales in a very short period, that's more an indicator of prior product success and/or marketing. It can have very little at all to do with the current release.

ysss 2010-07-18 08:15

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 755541)
I had to break down and blog: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rs-new-bumper/

Maybe I should use a pic of Halle Berry to improve readership?

Please do.

Quote:

Buzz!

For huge sales in a very short period, that's more an indicator of prior product success and/or marketing. It can have very little at all to do with the current release.
Hmmm.. as a general comment about a 'platform', I think my comment still stands. If the latest release proves to be a failure or a better competitor shows up that negatively affects said platform, then that'll be the turning point of its competitive edge and marketshare. It's a snapshot of the cumulative level of success of a platform up to said point... so I think it's still one reliable indicator to measure a platform's 'success'.

<insert whole internet's rant about MS Windows dominance here>

Uh yeah, there's that...

Texrat 2010-07-18 08:41

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 755555)
Hmmm.. as a general comment about a 'platform', I think my comment still stands. If the latest release proves to be a failure or a better competitor shows up that negatively affects said platform, then that'll be the turning point of its competitive edge and marketshare.

Well, yes, but that takes a while! The key qualifiers in my point were huge numbers and short time. The iPhone 4 fits that description; there hasn't been enough time yet for fallout but the selling numbers were monstrous.

I suspect that will be true of any platform... until the last model completely blows it or it falls victim to its own success (see: RAZR).

Saturn 2010-07-18 11:26

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http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress....06bdc92954.jpg

:)

imperiallight 2010-07-18 14:37

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http://www.gsmarena.com/antenna_wars...-news-1819.php

They left Nokia out of this one. The companies should sue Apple if there was any fairness.

sophocha 2010-07-18 14:43

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So you are applauding Stevos ego and the despicable way of putting the blame on other companies phones (which by the way are making EXCELLENT mobile phones for decades now) instead of realising his mistake with Iphone 4...wow...no comment

..and you must be smoking something thinking that the N900 has drop call issues!I laughed so hard on this statement....

Parody 2010-07-18 15:30

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Apple's press conference was just a bunch of finger pointing and *** covering.

RobertHall 2010-07-18 15:37

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i am having a right laugh at this...
when the n900 came out the ifans got on about " a phone is a phone is a phone" and it lacks proper phone features....even though us here continued with the "its an internet tablet with phone capability"...
now lets use the "its a phone" remark...the basic use of a phone is to make a call.....and if i cant make a call when i want too/how i want too...that defeats the primary feature of the device doesnt it?
what happened to your great technology apple? cant get it right now you cant use nokia patents? looooolll

ndi 2010-07-18 19:35

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Well, Steve's right, other phones have these problems as well, but bringing other products into the conference? That's low. Also, it's bordering illegal. You see, a press conference is a way to extend your name, good or bad, and should count as advertisement. And, last I checked, you can't bring other products into your advertisement.

Also, what's this shock I hear about misreporting bars? Everybody misreports everything. Bars for signal, bars for battery. You know this. N900 reports "a pixel missing" when battery's down to 70%. Many a study has been made and they all say this: people tend to stop using phone when it's perceived as "low" on battery or signal. So they lie.

Some of my older phones has a 6-10 hour standby after the :low battery" bee-beep. N900 can't get a couple of hours if locked. And no wonder, it beeps when it's way, way too low.

Yet, nobody got so low on the scale to actually point that others do it. Because, mainly, just because others do it doesn't mean you didn't. Just because other got away with it, doesn't mean you should. If it did, nobody would be punished for anything, because THAT GUY got away with it.

Oh, and, Steve? Next time you try to say "we're as good as", pick better comparison.

Taleydra 2010-07-18 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 755139)
If anyone in the mobile industry can talk about antenna reception.... it is none other than nokia. I have never heard of reception problems with any of the 1000 different nokia devices to date. Apple has about 4 different devices and every one had the problem of inferior reception. Of course the iphone 4 further boosted the reception problems with the wrong design with the antenna.

I have had two nokia models recently that had poor reception: 5130 and 5310. They often dropped calls from losing signal. My razr was the best for reception as it never dropped calls, and my n900 seems to as well.

Corso85 2010-07-18 21:16

Re: Sorry, but Nokia hypocrites go to Hell
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 754824)
  • If you have a problem with your N900, go ahead and sell it
  • If you have a problem with Nokia, go to Forum Nokia and start there
  • If you want to whine on this forum, please search for an already existing thread, and do it there
  • The N900 will have MeeGo... not sure where did you get the other opinion from

Anyway, trolling on Maemo.org will yield no results for anyone, so please move on.

This reply is for both you and maluka since you both chose to attack me as opposed to my points.

1. I can't. it's a freaking brick. No one would buy it for more than 50$.
2. I went to the nokia forum. They ignored me. Does that prove my point or yours?
3. I'm not whining. I'm stating my opinion regarding an event. that is separate topic. Do not condescend people. Karma is a *****. and one day someone will condescend you
4. What supports me is a Nokia statement. what supports your claim that the N900 will have a fully working Meego?

Anyone calling anyone a troll is not being mature. It proves the opposite.

My topic was in the appropriate forum. I did not take away from your precious development space in N900 Devices and Applications.

tzsm98 2010-07-18 21:36

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I thought the opening music number was a bit insulting. It mocked the users of the iPhone4 who were having an issue with the inadequate antenna design. It was also totally dismissive of the issue. Then it blamed the media.

Of course if you are one of the Apple's kool-aid drinkers you probably didn't see it that way.

edit- My comments address solely the music video portion of the press conference, I fell asleep about the time SJ noted the 3 million sales in three weeks. I've tried to keep my comment on topic.

Corso85 2010-07-18 21:53

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My point was. They came out and talked about it. They care about their image. Site after site after site thrash Nokia for good reason, and they have their head in the clouds.

What pisses me off to no end here is people who are condescending. There are so many of them here, You call Jobs selfish and insulting. But many here are no different.

What knowledge do you posses to conclude ALL 3 million iPhone 4s drop calls? Articles by Engadget or Gizmodo showing bars dropping? Have you held an iPhone 4 in your hand and it dropped a call? The guy gave numbers. The actual dropping of calls is no different than the 3GS. You'll say it's a lie. But what data do you have to prove it's a lie?

(By you in the previous paragraph. I don't mean someone specific)

Atleast a bumper "fixes" the iPhone 4. What will fix the n900 mail? or the front camera?

Don't even bother to answer. I'll answer for you.
"Eh. It's working fine with me" :rolleyes:

gerbick 2010-07-18 22:05

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Corso85, how did your phone become bricked? I'm not finding where that was listed.

Perhaps some more useful people in these boards can help you as opposed to pushing you aside. Have you started a thread diagnosing what symptoms you're currently having? Or is it physical damage?

Texrat 2010-07-18 22:31

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Just a few more posts and we'll meet today's Anger Quota.

gerbick 2010-07-18 22:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 756174)
Just a few more posts and we'll meet today's Anger Quota.

Let me post again. I tend to bring out the anger in folks without even trying.

Apple is bad. So is Nokia.

And watch the anger commence in 5, 4, 3...

ndi 2010-07-18 23:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 756175)
And watch the anger commence in 5, 4, 3...

*fizzle*

Coudn't resist ...

gerbick 2010-07-18 23:37

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It's Sunday. The volatile are resting up, I guess.

zehjotkah 2010-07-19 18:58

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I've found a really interesting article from "Stiftung Warentest". "Stiftung Warentest" is THE foundation which test products for the consumer and gives recommendations based on that, in Germany. Very well known and respected.

The article is in German:
http://www.test.de/themen/computer-t...16516-4116521/

The Link to the google translated page:
http://translate.google.com/translat...2F&sl=de&tl=en

Basically they say, that the antenna design from the iPhone 4 is stupid, that a rubber case on a design-mobile is stupid, too and that other mobiles don't loss signal and drop calls like the iPhone 4.

radiowc 2010-07-19 19:18

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Ha! what good does it make to give away the rubber casing only just to give the users / apple fanboy a temporary solution....it defeat the purpose of the new elegant metal design looks and better put the antenna back inside the phone and problem solved. LOL!

Well, even the phone is defect, people will still love it. ..That is the fact.

nilchak 2010-07-19 20:10

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corso85 (Post 756139)
What knowledge do you posses to conclude ALL 3 million iPhone 4s drop calls? Articles by Engadget or Gizmodo showing bars dropping? Have you held an iPhone 4 in your hand and it dropped a call? The guy gave numbers. The actual dropping of calls is no different than the 3GS. You'll say it's a lie. But what data do you have to prove it's a lie?


NO, thats not what THE GUY said.
He said the iPhone 4 drops approximately 1 more call than the 3GS and then went on to skey the stats totally.

Many bloggers have reported the true meaning of that little stats...

Quote:

While Jobs did admit this fact in his press conference, he mangled the stats to make the iPhone 4's dropped call increase look minor. "The iPhone 4 drops less than one additional call per 100 than the 3GS," he said. As Jobs sees it, that's not a big rise in dropped calls. Yet that's not an obvious conclusion. Last year, an AT&T spokesman told that AT&T's average iPhone dropped-call rate is 1 percent—in other words, the old iPhone dropped one call out of 100. If the iPhone 4 drops nearly one additional call out of 100, that could be close to a 2 percent dropped-call rate—or double the dropped-call rate of the old iPhone. That sounds a lot more serious, doesn't it?
Now how good does THAT look ?



This Article from Slate is pretty good take on the whole fiasco.

gerbick 2010-07-19 20:12

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Man... the way Apple is handling this gets worse and worse...

nilchak 2010-07-19 20:17

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All along Apple said their products are magical, game-changing, special, and exceptional.


On Friday, Apple asked us to believe that the iPhone is just a phone. It's just like the phones that Nokia and RIM make, or Samsung or Motorola. Nothing special about it. That may be the single most important thing they said. All their marketing speak was down for one day.

ossipena 2010-07-19 20:33

Re: Sorry, but Nokia hypocrites go to Hell
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmerit (Post 754771)
Oh come on, we cant blindly bash Apple even on this forum. They made a very fair offer, "if you dont like your phone bring it back and get your money back".

Would Nokia ever do that?

eh, apple invented iReturn?

1. nokia hasn't got such disastrous problems
->
2. nokia doesn't need to announce publicly that you can return your device. (and beside everyone should know the 14 days doa thingie...)

e: personally I don't like apples way of handling things. first whispering that we have a tiny problem and then shouting how every cellphone in the world is ****ed up. I'd be really pissed if I'd bought iPhone 4 right now. (Jobs words to them: gtfo and get a condom free of charge, there is no possibility that our faulty antennae design is our fault. it is your fault! live with it!)

ndi 2010-07-19 23:35

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That's true. If Nokia still has something going for it is that as dreadful as software support is, hardware support was beyond reproach. Never had an unfixable, never refused a challenge, backed up my data to boot.

OTOH, if it's not under warranty, they're as expensive as a pair of implants. Oh well, we have a saying over here: soft skin costs money.

I remember ATI having this problem. Excellent hardware, poor software to the point I donated cards just so I wouldn't run amok in alphabetical order, ATI. But, merge with AMD, now they arguable lead the market.

Maybe that's what Nokia needs. A merger. How does Samsungia sound? Panasokia? Nokny? Nokkle? IBN?

giladmttw 2010-07-20 00:07

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I can imagine the iphone5 launch, the most talked about feature will be the .....reception.
The all thing is really bad for consumers. It lowers the bar. Instead of a recall and a true fix expect a free case, and your next phone you'll have to make sure reception is good. Well, if it isn't a Nokia.

siperkin 2010-07-20 00:17

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 757115)
NO, thats not what THE GUY said.
He said the iPhone 4 drops approximately 1 more call than the 3GS and then went on to skey the stats totally.

Many bloggers have reported the true meaning of that little stats...



Now how good does THAT look ?



This Article from Slate is pretty good take on the whole fiasco.

Just to put these stats in context, operators strive for statistic in excess of 99.5% call completion rates, so 2% is masive. The 0.5 drop rate includes faulty network hardware and links out to sites.

dtergens 2010-07-24 11:45

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Well, so here is my conclusion, lol :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmb02...layer_embedded :cool:

ysss 2010-07-24 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by siperkin (Post 757324)
Just to put these stats in context, operators strive for statistic in excess of 99.5% call completion rates, so 2% is masive. The 0.5 drop rate includes faulty network hardware and links out to sites.

Just to put these stats in real life context... you drop 2-3 calls instead of 1 every 200 calls.
Will you notice that?

giladmttw 2010-07-24 14:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 763130)
Just to put these stats in real life context... you drop 2-3 calls instead of 1 every 200 calls.
Will you notice that?

You don't need to notice that. You know it for a fact.
Would you replace a credit card that charges 0.5% for one that charges 2% for every transaction ? Would you notice that ???

Sopwith 2010-07-24 16:10

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 763130)
Just to put these stats in real life context... you drop 2-3 calls instead of 1 every 200 calls.
Will you notice that?

That's the common fallacy. The probability to drop a call depends on the quality of the signal in the area. Most people living in areas with good reception never get to experience the dropped calls, independently on the antenna flaw. However, those who would have had a minor problem with 3GS suddenly have a huge problem with iP4. Those are the ones that are also vocal about the problem (the 0.55%).

ysss 2010-07-24 16:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 763279)
You don't need to notice that. You know it for a fact.
Would you replace a credit card that charges 0.5% for one that charges 2% for every transaction ? Would you notice that ???

That's the thing. Phone calls are not the primary use of these devices anymore. Just look back at N900 to illustrate this point.

ps: I thought the difference is less than 1.5%?

Sopwith 2010-07-24 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 763347)
ps: I thought the difference is less than 1.5%?

AT&T reported 1.4% for 3GS. We can only guess how much >1% is (the return rate of 0.55% was reported a lot more accurately, for some reason). If we take it to be 0.9%, then we get a 0.9/1.4=64% increase. Like I said before, this is the average which does not predict how badly an individual customer may be affected.

gabby131 2010-07-26 17:54

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http://www.gsmarena.com/german_stift...-news-1837.php

just a follow up, please tell me if the link above is already posted. just swing by a flash review of this thread.

in my opinion, i dont know what is with the battle of the internal antennas but what i know is, its getting better (or worse)

giladmttw 2010-07-26 18:34

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 763347)
That's the thing. Phone calls are not the primary use of these devices anymore. Just look back at N900 to illustrate this point.

ps: I thought the difference is less than 1.5%?

Not the primary use ??? even Jobs didn't and claim that one.
ifeel like im irguing with an ibumper - always defend the iphone !
iagree with iyou. iphone is not for calls, that's why they added the no reception feature. Isn't it funny how all the iDiots are buying it and then try to use it as a phone ?
Please don't compare the N900 linux pc to silly smartphones, other phones can have similar issues/features it doesn't improve the reception of the one you are holding or calling with (can't do both).

ysss 2010-07-26 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 765546)
Not the primary use ??? even Jobs didn't and claim that one.
ifeel like im irguing with an ibumper - always defend the iphone !
iagree with iyou. iphone is not for calls, that's why they added the no reception feature. Isn't it funny how all the iDiots are buying it and then try to use it as a phone ?
Please don't compare the N900 linux pc to silly smartphones, other phones can have similar issues/features it doesn't improve the reception of the one you are holding or calling with (can't do both).

I don't think I'm on iCrack.

Let me just ask you one question to prove my point:

Do you spend more time making phone calls on your N900 than doing any other activities on it?

giladmttw 2010-07-26 19:12

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I appologize if I offended you in any way I was just trying to be funny. I don't have an n900 only n800. But now I need a phone so I am going to buy the n900 as a phone. I realize it's not a very good choice for that but I really want one :)
Primary use ? I have a TV. It's primary use is to make me stupid and it needs good reception for that. Would it be ok if on educational programs the reception was bad ? That's not the primary use after all.
Like I said before the all thing is bad for consumer. From now on expect less. Less customer support, less innovation, less reception. I wish the new iphone was magnificent so the market would have to follow. The opposite occoured.

gabby131 2010-07-26 22:14

Re: Apple's antenna problem press conference reaction thread
 
in any mobile devices (like cellular/smartphones) i have not experience a poor signal (whoever the manufacturer is) except if the issue is within the service provider.

in the case of my n900, i do 90% of non-telephony stuff on it since last month.

it was my primary phone, but it always pisses me off if someone calls when im doing something with my n900 (Grrrrrr!!!!!!) like playing angry birds, or doing something via x-term, so i decided to switch the sim card of my other phone with my n900. and now, no one can disturb me playing with my n900!!!!!!!!! :D

and yeah, i agree with ysss with my statement above. maybe the n900 is too smart to be a phone. :)


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