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Ok then go buy your slow phone and be happy w it... ;)

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There is no such thing as slow phones, just slow people.

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:cool: ...............

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Yes that is exactly what I meant by a "full browser", not a browser that automatically loads the m. mobile version of a said website.

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That's actually not the browser's fault. The BROWSER isn't doing that--that's the web site seeing that your agent is set to either iphone or android and redirects you if your agent identifies as either of those. Dolphin, Fennec and all the other browsers will do the same thing unless you change the agent for a web site to something else other than either iphone or android.

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i would get Iphone 4 but will wait for the price drop down, above 800$ for a phone is just ridiculous, i would just buy a notebook then..but will wait for now...meego phone will not come out and stable for another 2 years or so...android is my third move after iphone4

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How doable is it to change the "agent" on an Android device?

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Very. http://lifehacker.com/5547037/change...-android-phone

Also, Dolphin has it right in the settings menu under "System".

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With Dolphin, it's in the user settings... so real easy.

On the built-in browser, about:debug in address bar (go), More, Settings, UAS - set it to Android, iPhone or Desktop.

So... real easy.

Edit: Didn't see danramos' answer.

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This is too encouraging! So "Dolphin" is the undisputed best browser for Android?

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Pretty much, I think. I go between them, myself. If I want the "mobile" experience, I choose the built-in browser. If I want the "desktop" experience, I choose Dolphin (which is most of the time). I also just plain like the way Dolphin works a lot better and I LIKE having the ability to clear the cache when I'm done with a session.

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Wait. It just hit me.

What's the stock processor speed of the N900?

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So... getting back to what you'd said...

Yes. Yes, it will have a "full" browser experience, since you already have that in the current Android systems. :) MicroB is simply reporting itself as a Mozilla desktop (or maybe even N900--something that web servers aren't aware of, so they treat it as a desktop browser). You can do that if you want already on Android, or go ahead and let the web servers format their site for a mobile screen instead. Your choice.

There are some Android handsets that have slide-out keyboards, too. Mine does. Some are better than others, but they are out there in various forms.

At least you have lots of choice on Android with several models from many manufacturers (more every day). Can't say that for my Maemo experience. I'm hoping I can say it for the MeeGo experience. I won't hold my breath for it, though, given Nokia is involved. I feel like they're a cursed mariner with an albatross named Maemo around their neck.

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600MHz (stock, without overclocking), sir!

Oops... I retract the "sir" before someone gets mad.

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Not that clock speed is the entire story of a processor's power. The N900 has a cortex A8 whereas the Torch, I believe has an ARM11 based processor. Even at similar clock speeds a cortex A8 will be ~ 150-200% as fast.

While a slim OS can make up some of the difference, Blackberry seems to have failed in that regard as Engadget found the Torch to be rather sluggish.

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Ok, just to comment I'm Linux "fan", and I wanted to try a Linux phone, and N900 simply does it great, and It must be said, it's the only one until now that has a real Linux distro (not just Kernel), though it's not completely open (or totally complete), I feel great with it and I'm keeping it until it die (hope at least a couple years...)... Then, Well, too early to said what will be next ;)
Sorry about slightly divergence on talk... Continue :D

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Yeah... I was wondering what that had to do with your next phone.

Speaking of which... I'm guessing that won't be your likely next phone, then?

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well,samsung B2100 got water,dust,shock proof,Nokia should borrow the idea.

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Before I got the N900, I considered Nokias 5800 and other Nokia phones. This was solely because that feature for feature, Nokia phones were always the cheapest alternative. Infact, for a Wi-Fi enabled smartphone with A2DP, Nokia was a high percentage cheaper than the alternatives.

I have no brand loyality to Nokia, the only products from them I have ever had are the N810 and N9001). Or for any other brand for that matter, my previous phone was a Hewlett Packard. My next phone is most likely going to be a variant of Linux phone. If Google ditched Dalvik, I would quite likely jump ship.

That said, any talk about Nokia being expensive is just weird talk.


1)And y'all know that Nokia's treatment of Maemo customers aren't going to build them any brand loyality from anyone.

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I thought about an iPhone4 for about 3 seconds then realized that having a unlocked phone that is open for the most part is far more important to me than 30 fart apps.

Yeah I know you can jailbreak, ect, ect but I still don't think any phone on the market right now has the flexibility the N900 does. Unless the iPhone4 has Terminal access and will allow me to port to it as easy as the N900 looks like I am sticking with it until something new comes out.

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Oh yeah??

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thum...ll-phone-2.jpg
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...1t:429,r:2,s:0

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:D If I ever found myself wanting a bulletproof phone, I'd reconsider, find myself too optimistic, and get full body bulletproof armour instead. Not as practical to wear, but no bullet is going to ever bounce off a phone in the right direction.

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I am happy with N900 and don't have any plan to upgrade for another 2-3 yrs unless Nokia release its bigger cousine of N900 having

1) AMOLED Bigger screen (4.5-5 inch) with multi-touch.
2) Bigger Camera (around 12MP with XEON flash with Camrea Shutter)
3) HD Video recording with minimum 30FPS
4) Faster Processor around 2GHz
5) It has be a MeeGo. Symbian is for novice users
6) It should have "Home", "End", "Tab" and "Delete" keys

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You may try http://www.opera.com/mobile/

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I would still have to argue that Opera Mini isn't quite as good at rendering nor as good overall as Dolphin on Android.

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Yo mate, I got a couple of question about the galaxy S:

1. Can you send and receive files over Bluetooth easily from a PC?
2. Is there an FTP/SCP server for android 2.1 which could run in the background? allowing me to connect the phone to wifi, and use filezilla to transfer files easily while i'm home?
3. Can you run something like : "Mobile Hotspot" for N900?
4. How is the browsing experience in your opinion?
5. Is the UI fast and smooth? how about VSYNC? is it as smooth as Iphone 3gs is?

Thanks!

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I don't have the Samsung Galaxy, but I think most of those are general Android questions I can probably answer:

1. Yes, without rooting. There's plenty of apps to do that using Bluetooth (ie: "Bluetooth File Transfer" is my favorite--works for sending and receiving)
2. Yes, with and without rooting. You could use QuickSSHd (based on dropbear) to support scp or SFTP file transfers.
3. What is "Mobile Hotspot?" Is that a tethering app? If so, with rooting, you can (I use "Barnacle Wifi Tether"). Without rooting, it depends on the phone and carrier and whether they want to allow it. Some phones already have it with Android 2.1. Android 2.2 already has it, unless the ROM image you use (or were given by the carrier) had it taken out. I know the stock image for my Motorola Droid has only USB tethering (not wifi), for example.
4. Comparing to the N900, I can't say. Comparing to the N800, it's leaps and bounds beyond vastness better. It's faster, smoother and in some ways better than my desktop experience with the exception of the screen real-estate of my desktop PC. (Well, I'd say having a keyboard too, except I have a folding full-size keyboard that works with my Droid over bluetooth.)
5. Again, I can't compare to an N900 myself. I might as well leave this for him to answer. :) Near as I can tell, it's very fluid and works very well and comfortably. I'd say it's easily on par or better than the iPhone 3GS in my opinion, but I never lived with an iPhone 3GS for more than minutes at a time to look at it working.

Hope that at least answered some things. :)

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Aha! Thanks for the informative answer, just 1 more I forgot to ask.

1. Portrait mode, does it work good on android 2.1? can you put the phone upside down? For example on the IPhone 3gs (my gf has one) you can just hold the phone in any way you want, it will adapt.

I was pretty sure you wrote you went for the galaxy S, I would probably get up and go buy it if it had a little better camera, I want a xenon flash, and some more megapixels.
I know MP doesn't really matter, but it still bothers me My N95 beats both N900 and who knows about the Galaxy S.

The main reason I am even looking for a different phone is some hardware problems with N900 (I got no warrenty), and the fact that www.waze.com doesn't run on it.

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Let's see if I know. I'm still a noob with it...

Yes. But I'm using Bluetooth Transfer by Medieval Software though.

I use Wireless Tether App to make my phone into a wifi router. I can connect to it as I see fit. But I'll have to get back to you on the rest though.

Better than iPhone, slightly underneath the N900.

UI is smooth, there is a EXT2 fix for the UI lag on reading the internal SD card which is noticeable when you first unlock. Hit up XDA-Developers for some more info about that - I'm still learning.

Edit: Ah snap... danramos strikes again!

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Portrait mode works fine for me on my Droid. You can choose (in the Android settings) whether to fixate the view in portrait or to allow it to adapt to the way it's being held. I prefer to allow it to adapt, myself. In Android 2.1, you can only display in upright portrait and counter-clockwise landscape. In Android 2.2, you can display in upright portrait and counter-clockwise and clockwise landscape modes (basically, any way you want except upside-down).

No matter what kind of Android phone you get, do yourself a favor and IMMEDIATELY download the "Camera360" application. :) I highly recommend it and it might even make you consider it a far better picture-taking device if not for the missing flash on some devices.

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@danramos & gerbick,
Thanks for the info, I'll go back to mourning the future loss of my N900, while processing the new information you both just gave me!

Cheers!

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No problem at all. Feel free to note me if you have any more questions about Android.

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that is the big question if i go for iphone4g will i be able to do everything i can do on my n900,it seems the only answer is buy it and see as nobody can get past hype and spin.so why change because nobody seems to know, spend a large amount of money on a new device and find it cannot list and upload pictures to ebay.streak seems nice but has 1.6 why.apps are only a way of getting around a problem desktops laptops do not need apps i want a portable device that does what a full blown laptop does.maybe meego maemo are that step foreword to that in the future, without companies pushing apps so they can make more money its not in there interest to give me what i want.just maybe meego is that step foreword.

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I know about the iPhone. What do you want to do, and then I can try to answer honestly if the iPhone can or cannot do it - with or without jailbreaking.

If you're a deep down Linux lover, I'll answer that for you now... NO. It cannot do all of the things you want it to do unless you jailbreak it. Then Apple will not support you.

So it just matters. What do you want your phone to do?

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I can't speak for iPhone 4G, but I don't know why you think that web browsing on the Android might be any different than using any other browser, even on a laptop, for eBay, especially if they're running the same rendering engines (gecko and webkit).

If you're really that paranoid and want to test it out, why don't you take a nice walk, stroll or drive out to try one out? You have the ENORMOUS benefit of being able to walk into a store to see Apple iPhones and various Android handsets. That's more than you can say for the N900's buying experience this past (LESS THAN A) year.

MeeGo may or not not be a step forward--but I don't see how you made the leap from browser experience to MeeGo. MeeGo isn't a web browser and MeeGo isn't going to make your web browser any worse or better than anything on iPhone, Android, Blackberry or anything else, especially if they're running the same browsers. Fennec on Android looks identical to the N900 version, for instance. What's your point?

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I will que myself up for a GSM version of the Epic 4G, or maybe SE will make an Android with a slideout keyboard that has a screen thats atleast 3.5in. Otherwise Nokia will really have to impress at NokiaWorld.

-BTW Danramos ty for all the help. Do you have any comments on Froyo's battery life? I hear in general androids have a worse battery life than the N900.

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your right all bow to apple and android (stay indoors)

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Naw. Just keep your head on straight try stuff out for yourself instead of pretending you, I or anyone knows what's best for you sight-unseen without even trying things out. What I'm basically saying is, in fact, the opposite: get out more, lad.

No problem at all! It feels good to finally be able to answer questions and help out with something after the past year of being noised-out by all the N900 stuff, sitting here on my N800.

I'm not sure I can really speak to this particular question--I'm using a Motorola Droid, which is KNOWN to have some of the longest battery life out of all the Android phones out there (which is a big reason why I got it--I depend on my phone to be a PHONE first, so battery life is important. Well, that--and it's tough as a tank--I've unintentionally slammed it into the floor at violent velocity several times with absolutely no ill effects whatsoever).

In my own personal experience, stock Android 2.1 let me run for several days on a single charge if it's just idling. If I use it for phone calls, it seems like it'll take a few hours to run out (my guess is that it seemed as if it'd go for 3-4 hours nonstop maybe). I know that the most PUNISHING thing I can do is play an online multiplayer video game called "Armored Strike" (with wifi or 3G on for gaming with a bunch of other fools). With that, I was able to run from full charge to nearly empty in about 2.5 hours, more or less. Mind you--all these numbers are complete guesses based on my faulty human recollection... but it seems to run pretty alright under 2.1.

Since installing stock Android 2.2, I didn't notice any real noticeable difference--but then I didn't get to try it out as much, since it's still new.

I've recently gone and flashed my ROM with Bugless Beast and it overclocks me up to 800MHz, and now I HAVE noticed that the battery is draining faster.. but since I keep charging my phone at home on its dock, in my car in its dock and then charging it at work on a cable (since I keep it on constantly to watch or listen to news), I rarely give it much of an opportunity to test those limits.

If I find that I ever need to expand the capacity of the battery, though, it turns out that there are higher capacity batteries (with custom backplates) available for my Motorola Droid (and mounts to fit the modification), so.. if nothing else I could always go that route later. It's nice to at least have these choices.

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The reason I bought the N900 was because that was the best for me available at that time. Also, I loved this community.

When I bought my phone, I was very clear that this phone had to suffice me for around 2 years atleast. It's nearing 1 year now and I am sure I will be happy with it for another 1 year too.

2 years is a too big time in mobile space. The best phones today are going to be just average phones in 2 years time. It's important that you choose the phone with the best hardware possible.

However, the following spec from Nokia (for "N9") might tempt me for an impulse purchase before my planned 2 year upgrade period:
1. 12 MP Camera with shutter and Dual Xenon Flash
2. Super AMOLED (or pixel Qi) capacitive screen
3. atleast 4-row Keyboard
4. Dual Core ARM or the latest & greatest ARM processor for mobiles at that time.
5. 1GB RAM & 1 GB ROM or more
6. 32/64 Gb in-built memory
7. atleast 1 micro SDHC/X slot (should be hot-swappable i.e., it should be replaceable without removing battery)
8. Dual SIM slots (with atleast one being hot-swappable)
9. Radios & Sensors: FM Radio/FM Transmitter/compass/gyroscope/accelometer/IR/bluetooth3.0/5 band 3G/4G ready (LTE)/front facing camera/NFC/ambient sensor/proximity sensor/noise cancellation/wifi b/g/n
10. 1 USB port and 1 standard nokia charging point or 2 usb ports. With OTG/Host mode support.
11. 3.5mm audio
12. HDMI 1.4
13. 32/64 Gb in-built memory
14. Weight ~150gms (upto 180 gms might also be fine)
15. physical size (especially thickness) should be equal to or smaller than the current N900
16. Screen: 3.5 to 4" with high resolution and good pitch density
17. MeeGo OS
18. Constant updates as promised (once every 6 months)
19. Hot swappable battery!

Except for the Dual SIM and hot swappable battery, I think I have been reasonable enough with my specs. However, Dual-SIM and hot swappable battery would both really be ground-breaking. I hope the "N9" comes with these.

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A few people mentioned the Galaxy-S. I said it shouldn't be considered until they work the bugs out. What's not understanding? English?