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Really sad news!
since nokia is a finnish company i prefer that the leaders of the company are from finland. there are alot of good intelligent people in finland and theres actually no good reason at all to import staff members from other countries.

its almost like a insult to the finnish people, what nokia does.
sending out a message to the finnish people that they apparantly arent good enough to be on the top ...or maybe the company just got infiltrated :-(

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I think that's the prob. Nobody is realistically expecting that anything will change for the upcoming software/hardware decisions; it's just that Anssi Vanjoki really was a good public face for Nokia. Even I could feel this dude's intensity about how much he enjoyed working at Nokia as well as how much he believed in their products. It was... sorta contagious.

That's my concern about his resignation in 6 months. His replacement will have to up the ante quite a bit to sell me as well as he did when he talked.

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That's not my nose--and please stop staring. :)

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It's a global corporation - deal with it. Global organisations choose the best people for a job based on ability, not nationality - Finns shouldn't be given preferential treatment, that would be classed as positive discrimination (which is illegal in many European countries) and it's this positively stupid employment tactic that has basically taken Nokia to the brink. Nokia when run by Finns is not good enough in the current market, that's a cast iron fact - no infiltration required, the Finns dropped the ball, nobody else.

More Finns should be removed from upper management within Nokia and if they are replaced by non-Finns it will almost certainly result in the quality bar being raised immeasurably.

Why the head of Design is a Finn I have no idea, what the hell have Finns ever designed? It all started going wrong with Nokia product designs when Frank Nuovo (an American, the head of Nokias Global Design team) left the company in 2006 to be replaced by... a Finn who knows nothing about product design. Rinse and repeat in pretty much every critical area of Nokia upper management.

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Based on a Daring Fireball story...

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That mantra is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy...

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Letting the rest of your clueless post rest in peace. Just pointing out that Frank Nuovo was replacerd by a brit, Alistair Curtis.

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Clueless? So do you not believe a global organisation should pick and choose the best staff from around the globe? Or are you in favour of positive discrimination?

What about Marko Ahtisaari?

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Are you seriously asking about that? Never heard of scandinavian design?

And about current desing of touchphones? IMO anyone. Yes anyone could do that shait. It´s like let´s put this 3-4 inch screen and welllllll let´s try different materials and different corners and maybe keyboard or not. Ohh wow that pure genius. Every touchphone looks like one another to me. Little things but currently UI of smartphone has come the one aspect of design of whole product. Not a long ago it was how you place keyboard and man there was different approaches to that.

I´m not saying that current design is bad but I do not see it as it needs any expertise. Next thing that might make things different are foldable and rollable displays.

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Yes, so it's a shame Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia, isn't it? (Look it up, it's a common misconception that Finland is part of Scandinavia - it's not).

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son of president, he is bit like Esko Aho: they are hired because of external assets (with Aho only former archievements) and have nominal titles....

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in addition engadgets common level of reportage is outrageous. photo reports, aka "battles" that has something photographed from 3 directions, but still there are 20 pictures available....

e: omg I just found out that my two pens battle!!!!
http://peltsip.kapsi.fi/index.php?level=picture&id=668
(pun intended)

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@millhouse
*facepalm* Yes I know that. And it´s pretty common "Geek" conversation or let´s say pissing contest. But you missed my point. So try again. I would recommend on doing at least google search on Scandinavian design. Oh dear fck why I´m even using my time on writing this?

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Apart from being Head of Design... yep, no title at all! :)

Ahtisaari comes in for particularly damning criticism from Juhani Risku - "Ahtisaari has destroyed Nokia design – it’s a real disaster. If you put Mr Beckham or Prince Charles into BP, nobody would understand why you'd done that. Ahtisaari is a name.” and accuses him of having no "design education, competence or experience"

I fondly remember my Nokia 8800 designed by Nuovo - he was to Nokia what Ive is to Apple.

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Maybe you'll want to start with this article.

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Saying that CEO sholuld be finnish is dumb. Saying that non -finn is almost automaticly better is at least equally dumb. As is blaming Nokia situation for it's finnishness.

Took over after the Curtis just few months ago.

That's just Riisku's wierd batshit. Ahtisaari hasn't even been there long enough for his work to show in any products.

By the way it's utterly strange for you to now pull up Riisku, since he's medieval left over, who actually thinks that Nokia shold be run by finns.

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Name me a well known Finnish designer or design company.

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OK OK some nice pots and pans. :) ;)

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of course they have a title, otherwise someone could figure it out. read again, please....

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Okey. This conversation had ended on my side. Have fun! I will not post any lists or history about Finnish design. I just say that if you have any architect friends just please have some conversation with them and ask about Finnish design :| And that World design capital nomination is not something that goes easily to just someone.

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are you bitter because english douchebags were kicked out from nokia because they realized that they really were douchebags who can't justify the work they do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvar_Aalto

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I got it the first time - hardly a "nominal" title is it?

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any title is nominal if you are employed because of external assets.

this is markos dad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martti_Ahtisaari

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Eero Saarinen
He designed the largest monument in America, the Gateway Arch in St. Louis.

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Who says I'm even English?

If Nokia chose to kick out some English "douchebags" because they were "douchebags" then fair play to Nokia for making the right decision for once.

Me, bitter? Nah... just funny watching the touchy get all twitchy. :)

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OK, OK, point made. Shame they're not in charge of Nokia Design! :)

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And to then put him in charge of design during one of the most design led periods of Nokias existence as a communications company? Smart move.

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Please open this a bit to me. Some analysis that let´s say starts from 1990 is enough. I´m waiting.

Why you think RIGHT NOW physical desing of smartphone is in it´s peak of whole communcation devices history? Just because you happen to live right now? Or just because there is nice touchphones? Or just because well you feel like it or any other thoughtful analysis?

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What? :confused:

..

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I´m just asking that why you said that currently Nokia is in your opinion in the most design led period of it´s entire history? Yes saying that is easy, but I was just wondering how did you end up to that conclusion? I do not have enough resources or background information to make such a claims and i just thought that you have made some analysis to make such a conclusions. Or were you using "jump to conclusion mat?"

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Seriously? Just look at the competition.

Strong design, unique design, innovative design - of both hardware and software - is what will get Nokia through it's current malaise. You really need to question this? Strewth. :rolleyes:

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Hmm. Yes. Then what? I see design evolution of UI and software. To me all touchscreen phones, as I said, look like they came from same line :|

Still I would like to hear your analysis on this matter. I have seen competition many times before this.

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That's why Nokia need someone like Frank Nuovo to come up with something different (on the hardware front at least) - remember any of his designs do you from the 90s and early 00s? I do, I bought several of them.

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@millhouse
Yes. According to some people they were masterpiece of their own time and to some people they were terrible. I would say that quite many people praised Nokia design in 90-00. Retrospectively it´s always easy to say that Oh mi good how this and this sucked, but that´s pretty much wrong way to analyze it. Your point being?

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You'll have to start buying Vertu phones then.

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I may have questionable taste but I'm not that tacky! :)

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Vertu is Nokia sub-brand. The idea and concept came from Frank Nuovo, and he's still designs the Vertu phones.

Ok tired of fixing factual errors in your post. Have a good day.

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it was the first thing that came to my mind, a logical explanation for your grudge against nokia, finland etc.

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and you implicitly know his responsibilities and amount of authority and power to make decisions based on a single title?

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Yep, and actually I know all of that...

There were no factual errors to be fixed as I never claimed Nuovo wasn't involved in Vertu design, just that the current Vertu designs are tacky (which is the entire remit of Vertu, to supply blinged out Nokia phones to the well heeled).

My point is that while Nuovo was at Nokia many of his designs were innovative, which can of course polarise buyers. And Nokia design has gone downhill since he departed.