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In my opinion, the OP isnt even worthy of changing the battery on an N900. EVERY device has shortcomings, and NO consumer device is PERFECT. If it took you almost a year to come to the conclusion that Maemo 5 and the n900 isnt for you, then youre obviously a slow learner and shouldve jumped ship a long time ago. Maybe we will see you at the end of 2012 posting a review of the first Meego device?

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Please refrain from insulting other posters.

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i dont believe its an insult, truth is truth.

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Optimistprime: why don't you ask those divorced couple why they so passionately loved each other before?

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Yep, true. For those who like to fix their own LCD screen. For those who simply love screen tearing. For the techies who aren't scared by solder ironing an USB port.

The device has some serious design flaws, but also unique or rare features. It may not be as user-friendly as iOS or Android, but it isn't as bad as Maemo 4 and earlier either. The device wasn't meant for the small niche earlier Maemo-based devices were aimed for, but not for the big market Android and iOS are aiming at and Harmattan (Nokia's MeeGo port) will aim for. It aimed for something inbetween there, but there's not really a few words which sum that up.

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This post was titled" The End of the Nokia Smart phone dream". The N900 isnt a smart phone. A "smartphone" is what the N97 was supposed to be. I have been shafted by Nokia a couple of times, but I am not foolish enough to not recognize the uniqueness of the N900. A great majority of peoply who I know who have "smartphones", iphones, etc, are totally amazed by my n900 when they get their hands on it.

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well, i bought my n900 about 6 months ago, i did it with a lot of entusiasm, but as time passed, i was really dissaponited.

back then i got in touch with this forum, but never registered until today, the truth is, that it is a ver good device, it has a decent hardware BUT, it is also true that the lack of support by nokia is a dealbreaker.

ive read all this thread and all of you have a point, but the ones that defend the n900 are really blind, they defend customization and the programing and hacking options they have well... take a look at what the android community does.... http://www.xda-developers.com/

i recently bougth a nexus one, and.. wow, the build quality, the utlra fast ui, the customization options, the support from google, the flash 10.1 that IS the way the n900 must have been.

im not telling u that android is better than maemo, but in MY PERSONAL opinion, i like it much better, the android market is growing every day.

those who are happy with the n900 and the lack of suppport from nokia, well, they have the right to be happy, but just try a device with android and maybe youll undersatnd better this post.

best of luck

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ahhh these are my favourite.

it's not that's it's difficult to use, it's just that you're not intelligent enough.

Mmm, doesn't that intellectual superiority make you feel all warm inside. Love it.

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Nokia should rather try a unique OS.
Android isn't one.
Maemo (MeeGo) is one that may grow.

One should not buy a hardware device just because of
hype.
Read, if it fits your purpose and your budget, if the faults are
important for you - before you buy it.
Afterwards it is too late to discover, that 80% or something are not what you wanted.

If you want an Android system and if you cannot wait for the
Maemo application portfolio to grow then N900 is the wrong
device for you.

I was getting to Linux after using SunOS for years and at the beginning Linux was a lot of "missing here and missing there".
Still I knew at that time that Windows was an additional
"crash here and there, and missing also that and that".
If I look at Win7 (at work) and Linux (at home) now I must
say that Linux is miles ahead.
:D

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A) The N900 didn't come out a year ago
B) The Samsung Galaxy S didn't come out last week

However I don't think it's the physical hardware were he's comparing. It's the OS, it's apps and it's support. That's a fair comparison to make really.

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true, but i think that is a little dumb buying something that "may grow" when you can have something that IS growing and getting better already

the hype part, i agree

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Support from Nokia was never an issue for me.
They deliver the hardware.
That's it.

When I bought SuSE (which is an easy Linux) years ago I never expected support from SuSE.
I knew that I will have to compile things from source,
gather applications here, tweak software for
special hardware there.

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and that is exactly why the are lossing customers every day, people like you, are very few, and believe me, the are interested in selling devices to the masses.

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I'm going to quote this back up here because, well, you called it. Right on.

Well, really, what else is there to do in the meantime for people who didn't want an N900 (coming from the Internet Tablet era of this forum) and for all the N900 people who now feel they're in the same boat (WELCOME TO THE CLUB, we've kept some open seats for you!)... while we wait for the promise of MeeGo (go ahead.. tell me it's not a promise, go ahead!) and the new devices that are taking AGES to even show up while competitors are throwing all kinds of GREAT gadgets at us from the left and right to tempt us away. :P It's no surprise these threads keep popping up. About the only thing keeping some of us here is that we were HOPING for a more open platform than everyone else's, keep getting disappointed... aaaand we just keep hoping. Then there's the insult to injury with Nokia's miserable customer support. That's made a LOT of the people who were otherwise not as interested in openness RUN to the competition.

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Announcement: afaics August 27, 2009.
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1337594

Then a delay till November.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...mportance.html

So you are right: it is less than a year.
Where was Android after < 1 year?
;)

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This is a very weak argument for a consumer to swallow. Especially if that consumer is concerned about hardware support--parts and repair. Especially if that consumer would be perfectly willing to pay for a support contract--but none is even so much as offered.

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android was growing and constantly updated, as it is right now.

becoming the second most used os, and with the fastest growth.
:D

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Apples (android - an OS) and Oranges (N900 - a phone).

If you want to compare like for like see how far Maemo and Android have come since they were first released.

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Depends on what you're talking about. The N900 isn't the OS. Android isn't the hardware. If you're talking hardware, which device are you comparing the <1-year about? Droid? In less than a year, I've gone from Android 2.0 to 2.2 with REAL 10.1 flash support plus LOOOTS of software and customizations with a very real future of plenty of source-code generated upgrades and EXCELLENT hardware support from everyone involved (from Verizon--who replaced my phones twice INSTANTLY in their store, to Motorola--who SECOND DAY shipped me a FREE replacement battery cover when I lost it).

I can't even BUY a replacement stylus or kickstand or anything for my N800 (nor one for the N900) never mind hope that Nokia would ship me ANY parts for free.

So.. is that the comparison you wanted to make?

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The only design flaw that I see is battery.

But that isn't better with other devices afaics.
Blackberry users at work sometimes even don't get a day
of using the device without recharge.

Other design flaws (I mean such things like the antenna problem of iPhone ;) )?

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funny, i thought you were ranting the android devices... :D

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just because the n900 is a "hackers-phone" doesnt excuse its flaws. its a commercial product that has been advertised in public and sold to everyone.

kinda hurts to read this.

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I am very happy with my N900...my other phone is a Blackberry 9000 (traditional shape) and I am very happy with that as well.

Its sad some are not happy, but as long as I think its a superb device, thats exactly what it is :D

Oh and check out some of the N900 projects on Youtube...what other device is allowing people to do these super creative things?!

Edit: Oh and for the last time you can buy stylus for it everywhere!

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Ahh you clearly don't understand.

It's a hacker's phone. Therefore they aren't flaws, you're just not intelligent enough to use it correctly. Imagine it's like the iPhone4 antenna problem, but rather than holding the phone wrong you're using your brain wrong ;)

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If you're very happy with your N900, why are you participating in this thread? Clearly, you have nothing to offer. The only thing you've done is communicated to people in this thread that the original poster's opinion is simply not yours and you don't even have the common courtesy to so much as explain why or offer some solution or information to improve their opinion.

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are you on crack?

The N900 is the best phone I ever had....period.I cannot see any other phone in the market right now surpassing it.

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How old is the N800 (I did not check)?
Do you get all that HW stuff for old Android phones?
I doubt that.
Maybe for "older" Apple phones.
Your stylus problem:
http://www.amazon.de/Stylus-Stift-f%.../dp/B003CKHERW

Some people complain about N900 being somehow
"incomplete", but the hardware is very complete.
Therefore it must be Maemo they aim at.

That is what I meant with
"Where was Android after < 1 year?"

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Sorry but, are you blind? Have you read the thread about USB port getting loose? I'm not talking about the lack of USB-OTG. I'm talking about people suddenly having their precious microUSB port in their hands. This could happen to YOU too.

And yes, the iPhone also has design flaws. In fact, iOS 4 still doesn't work well on many iPhone 3G. And yes, you could compare those with each other... but I (and many others here) don't have an iPhone. I have a Nokia N900.

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i also think the n900 is "hardware complete" but that does not have anything to do with the fact that it is a dead piece of junk in nokia's eyes.

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:D
I am just warming up...

Android:
http://www.h-online.com/security/new...d-1053466.html

That is stuff for consumers?

Also I do not want Google to erase on my phone:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...e-1029188.html

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It's an insult alright. Truth or otherwise. No need for it.

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Yes. But this particular one is very badly implemented :p
Let me very quickly enlighten the crowd:

It sure as hell was a rough ride, but the prototype racer still did 250mph! Even back then, with crude undeveloped suspension!
But, now, I'd really be upset if a company would sell me their roadgoing racecar prototype and after a while I would find out it runs out of juice at 120mph like my stupid massmarked citycar just outside the door for a tenth of the price.

I don't care which model they consider mass market ready, I just want my prototype car I bought for a fortune to run 250mph. As promised. And I wouldn't even mind to tinker, as long as I would get to 250mph at some point...

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I cannot read that site at all. I tried searching it on Amazon.com without any luck. Is that a Nokia stylus or a third-party made stylus? Either way, good find! (Except that it doesn't help me with my N800, and even if I have an N900, I couldn't buy from that site.)

To your final point--soooooo you mean hardware when you mean "Android?" I'm still very confused. Where was Maemo 1.x (OS2006?) versus the G1 (with Android 1.5, as the first commercially released Google blessed handset came packaged with)? Is that what you mean? You're still not being very clear about what you're comparing.

As far as software OS's go, their stories are very similar. One year after 1.5, near as I could tell, Android was very rapidly building up toward (or had already put out) 1.6 and was already aiming at 2.0. Similarly, one year after the first Maemo (OS2005) was released on the Nokia 770, Maemo very rapidly moved up to OS2006 and aiming for OS2007. Very big upgrades all-around in both camps.

If you want to talk HARDWARE support, that's quite different. Hardware support has ALWAYS been far, far better for HTC's G1, where you can easily walk into a store and get face-to-face support from where you bought the unit as well as, even this far out into the future now, replacement parts of all sorts. I've never had quite the same luck with Nokia in either regard.

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that is what happens when a sistem becomes popular, troyans, viruses etc, but no one is interested enough in making that for a dead os like maemo.

and your second point is about security, i suggest you READ your links before they make you look, well, stupid or something similar.

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I just clarified my
"Where was Android after < 1 year?"

Regarding "dead piece":
why do they still sell it?
http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/produc...&culture=de-DE

So if the hardware is complete, the item is sold,
Maemo and Meego as OS/SW are evolving as we can see
hereconfs: what remains to complain?
;)

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@danramos
Are you trying to say that i could get easily support for my htc here in Finland or in europe :) maybe just recently but jeeeezzzz man get real you just live in wrong continent ;) that's all.

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I know that it is about "security" .
If you like this remote-delete and if you are sure Google won't
misuse that...

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I was not aware that any iPhone software could change the
Antenna problem?
;)

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Come tell us here how complete the hardware is once you have the microUSB port in your hands :D

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@slender
Are you trying to say that i could get easily support for my N800 here in the United States or in North America :) maybe not at ALL but jeeeezzzz man get real you just live in wrong continent ;) that's all.

:rolleyes: