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maxximuscool 2010-10-08 10:27

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I'm guessing Nokia is struggling to get N9 to the production line and after saw the competitions hardware specs, Nokia hold the N9 back and revise one the current specs and making some adjustment before conclude the final prototype. On the other hand Nokia may be working really hard trying to get the bugs out of Maemo6 OS meeGo to run on their current leaked prototype.

Nokia isn't saying because saying things now will make the competitors attacking them directly with hardware and OSs. Android is currently the strongest competition and iOS is the front of the line of competition. So I'm guessing we would be lucky if Nokia decides to put A9 in the N9 at the production spec. But I think Nokia won't, we all know Nokia too well. Take a look at N95, N96, N85, N82, most N-series got almost identicle hardware specs. So I'm guess the nature of Nokia will adopt A8 processor in N9. Always underpower and always the most expensive. The worst service and the most secretive (releases, updates and warranty).

But Nokia phone got something that attracts most of us. Camera!!

jsa 2010-10-08 10:46

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Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 836211)
I'm guessing Nokia is struggling to get N9 to the production line and after saw the competitions hardware specs, Nokia hold the N9 back and revise one the current specs and making some adjustment before conclude the final prototype.

Really, companies don't go around changing hardware specs just a couple of months before the the device is going into production. And even more so for the friggin' SOC it runs on.

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On the other hand Nokia may be working really hard trying to get the bugs out of Maemo6 OS meeGo to run on their current leaked prototype.
Of course they are.

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Nokia isn't saying because saying things now will make the competitors attacking them directly with hardware and OSs. Android is currently the strongest competition and iOS is the front of the line of competition. So I'm guessing we would be lucky if Nokia decides to put A9 in the N9 at the production spec.
They said over a year ago that the Harmattan device would run on OMAP3.

maxximuscool 2010-10-08 11:11

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Originally Posted by jsa (Post 836233)
Really, companies don't go around changing hardware specs just a couple of months before the the device is going into production. And even more so for the friggin' SOC it runs on.

How would you know that they wouldn't? Anything is possible as long there isn't any solid printed specsheet. Did you ever heard that prototype can change from the day that it was made to the day of production? That's why it is called Prototype! things can be changing until finalised and announced.

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They said over a year ago that the Harmattan device would run on OMAP3.
Over a year ago!!!!!!! You've said it yourself. 1year ago f Nokia said N9 will be ARM11 would you still saying that N9 still running ARM11 now?
Hardware spec do change from the time it is planned, I personally think that you can't just take the rumour one year ago too seriously. After all Nokia said N9 will be Maemo6 now Maemo6 is becoming MeeGo. It didn't stay as Maemo6, even the OS name can be changed and they said alot of thing about N900 and promises but in the end they dropped the balls.

My point is relying on last year rumour and words isn't the most accurate information. Unless you are working as the N9 engineer then you can't be too certain. My points are just pure speculation, I don't know myself. I did not say I knew about the spec or have an insider or anything.

All we can do is just wait and hope that it is no OMAP3.

if N9 is running OMAP35 then I'm out from the buyer list. OMAP36 also i'm out. OMAP4 then I'll ave something to hype about.

tissot 2010-10-08 11:50

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Yes Nokia will delay N9 for 5 months and change the hardware.... sure. Specs have been set to the stone long long time ago. Who knows there might have been couple of different proto units with slightly different hw, but even then the final hw have surely been decided already.

jsa 2010-10-08 11:59

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Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 836259)
How would you know that they wouldn't? Anything is possible as long there isn't any solid printed specsheet. Did you ever heard that prototype can change from the day that it was made to the day of production? That's why it is called Prototype! things can be changing until finalised and announced.

Think about it for second. What kind of timescales do you think are involved when you are sourcing millions of pieces of different components from numerous manufacturers, making the hardware design(not just how it looks on the outside), and stabbing the software to make the different pieces of hardware work together as they're supposed to and putting all that together and delivering it to dealers. Enough complexity even without radical last minute hardware changes.

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Over a year ago!!!!!!! You've said it yourself. 1year ago f Nokia said N9 will be ARM11 would you still saying that N9 still running ARM11 now?
Well I would've wondered why the heck they'd downgrade from the N900.

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Hardware spec do change from the time it is planned, I personally think that you can't just take the rumour one year ago too seriously.
The thing is, it isn't a rumour if it comes from the person responsible for planning the products.

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After all Nokia said N9 will be Maemo6 now Maemo6 is becoming MeeGo. It didn't stay as Maemo6, even the OS name can be changed and they said alot of thing about N900 and promises but in the end they dropped the balls.
Yes, it did stay as Maemo 6! The software on the N9 is Maemo 6 renamed as something else for the exact reason that they wouldn't have had time to move to MeeGo core in time to deliver the product when planned!

buchanmilne 2010-10-08 13:53

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Well, is Intel speaking about Intel-based devices (apparently Meego hasn't yet got a working Modem driver for the Intel Moorestown-based Aava handset, where it does for N900), or all devices?

Since there is no direct quote provided for this statement, it is difficult to tell.

Also, does it mean, no handset using Meego UX (even on top of Maemo platform, e.g. Harmattan), or no handset using Meego base?

Dave999 2010-10-08 15:26

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N9 must be on time and with time I mean this year as they said.

If it is...

It's fine and I'm happy :)

Otherwise...

They(Nokia) can through this phone out of the window, kick a few from the managment team and focus on the next, first real meego device. Luck for nokia they dont comment. The reason for this is simple. They have no clue of what they are doing! :mad: :(

pelago 2010-10-08 15:27

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Originally Posted by buchanmilne (Post 836409)
Also, does it mean, no handset using Meego UX (even on top of Maemo platform, e.g. Harmattan), or no handset using Meego base?

I don't think Harmattan is using the MeeGo(.com) UX. I don't think Harmattan's release date will have anything to do with this announcement from Intel.

Dave999 2010-10-08 15:37

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Hope that is true. It's a shame that nokia not comment on things like this. I mean what will they lose to release some short press release saying this will not affect the n9. They don't have to give dates or plans away.
Can Quim comment on this issue?

sjgadsby 2010-10-08 15:45

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 836498)
Can Quim comment on this issue?

Quim's only comment would be that he can't say anything. His title is Open Source Advocate. Decisions on what to announce when in regards to product releases aren't part of his job. Neither is making any such announcements once they've been approved and prepared.

Dave999 2010-10-08 15:53

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true, but it seams that Intel and most other companies have people telling the world a few things every now and then, some intressting and some not, but at least some information is presented.

sjgadsby 2010-10-08 16:12

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 836515)
true, but it seams that Intel and most other companies have people telling the world a few things every now and then, some intressting and some not, but at least some information is presented.

There's a bit of contrast in who Intel and Nokia think of as customers--computer manufacturers vs. end users--that accounts for some of the differences in the way the two companies share future plans. Beyond that, there's been some major shake ups in Nokia management recently, as you know. This may affect the approval process for public statements.

ossipena 2010-10-08 16:34

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Originally Posted by theflew (Post 829642)
Yet it has HDMI out :D 640x360 has little meaning if you don't use the resolution for anything. Think of the iPhone 4 - what does it use it's Retina display for that couldn't be done at a lower resolution.

they could resize the on-screen keyboard to quarter the size it was in 3Gs? ;)

NvyUs 2010-10-09 06:53

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 836498)
Hope that is true. It's a shame that nokia not comment on things like this. I mean what will they lose to release some short press release saying this will not affect the n9. They don't have to give dates or plans away.
Can Quim comment on this issue?

why would they release a press release about such things when officially N9 is still a myth and dont exist.
i think what Intel really mean is there will be no x86 devices until 2011 b/c like i mentioned before they cant stop anyone releasing a ARM MeeGo device in 2010. they dont even have to deal with Intel to do it.

NvyUs 2010-10-09 19:42

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nokia says meego announcement still coming 2010
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/nokia...or-end-of-2010

Dave999 2010-10-09 19:49

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better than nothing ;)

IINexusII 2010-10-09 19:55

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im thinking ill just get a N8 now, and then get the N9 with my upgrade which is around July.

ill still keep my n900 in offline mode for all the awesomeness it is, but i need something better for everyday use (calls/messaging). the resolutions fine on the N8, dont know why people are moaning. the iphone 3gs has a 480x320 and look how popular that is

bsving 2010-10-09 20:12

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 837305)
nokia says meego announcement still coming 2010
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/nokia...or-end-of-2010

Considering the N9 will run Maemo6 with a MeeGo-friendly UX, this doesn't have to mean anything regarding the N9.

I'm bored of these rumours and speculations and nonsense, bring on the E7.

tissot 2010-10-09 20:25

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Originally Posted by bsving (Post 837324)
Considering the N9 will run Maemo6 with a MeeGo-friendly UX, this doesn't have to mean anything regarding the N9.

I'm bored of these rumours and speculations and nonsense, bring on the E7.

Well it most probably does because Nokia calls the Harmattan-MeeGo/Harmattan/Maemo 6 as MeeGo in general media and in most dev discussion and a likes MeeGo-Harmattan. All what we have seen and what Intel have said it's pretty clear that pure MeeGo handheld UX device wont be seen this year.

NvyUs 2010-10-09 21:35

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they made a promise to shareholders to deliver a device milestone by the end of 2010 regarding harmattan/meego they are still on course to deliver it.
btw harmattan-meego, maemo 6 is now MeeGo 1.0 N on forum nokia slides.
so when nokia are talking about MeeGo device for 2010 its safe to say its that version and its obvious they are talking about device by the response they gave when they guy said there was no big trade shows left to announce anything at.
they are not talking about MeeGo 1.1+ b/c thats already announced and has a dates for release.

gerbick 2010-10-10 02:52

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Originally Posted by buchanmilne (Post 832885)
So, the ability to download photos from your DSLR, and upload to flickr or similar, with only your phone, would be of no interest (and if you can do that, controlling operation of your DSLR for time-lapse photos etc. should also be possible)? And, if your DSLR (like mine) supports HD video (with better lenses than phones with this capability), you would have no interest in being able to play that video back on HDTVs, at HD res, from your phone (in case you are visiting friends without your DSLR or laptop)?

Eye-Fi uploads without the need of a computer or phone to my Flickr account.

I can connect my DSLR directly to my TV via HDMI if I so choose. Not component like my N900.

My interest in a DSLR spec camera that will invariably compress or compact my images on my cellphone is next to non-existent. I just don't use my phone like that (yet).

davedickson 2011-05-11 15:13

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this:

but WHEN is the "MeeGo N Series" coming out? Be that N9 or whatever they decide to call it. My contract is up as of this month - 18 months of bliss with my N900 (mostly) - and I want to renew, so is there ANY news at all?

I would be more than happy to keep using the N900, but considering I can renew, I would like to upgrade to higher spec (camera/memory/cpu etc) if that is the case?

If the N9 has the same or slightly better tech, which I doubt - its probably going to be really nice :cool: I would stay with N900 anyway, but I would just like to see what it has and when it is released before making any other decisions, like, dare i say it, iphone??

Ok, maybe not iphone :D but there are some other nice devices out there like N8/E7 which would be a bit more "stable" lol and are starting to get equal tech/ or better options like upgraded camera etc - only issue is with their OS....

Any news at all would be good....thanks

pelago 2011-05-11 15:17

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Originally Posted by davedickson (Post 1004229)
Didn't want to start a new thread for this:

but WHEN is the "MeeGo N Series" coming out? Be that N9 or whatever they decide to call it. My contract is up as of this month - 18 months of bliss with my N900 (mostly) - and I want to renew, so is there ANY news at all?

No news, nobody knows.

davedickson 2011-05-11 15:33

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Originally Posted by pelago (Post 1004234)
No news, nobody knows.

N8 it is then, cheers :)


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