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gruik 2010-10-21 08:51
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
I hope they improve the way to use the menu. for example if you want to connect bluetooth and profile through and the menu, you have to make the task one time after the other. it's very irritating. After the first task, the Menu is hided, then you have to open it again

eatfrog 2010-10-21 09:03
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruik (Post 846831)
I hope they improve the way to use the menu. for example if you want to connect bluetooth and profile through and the menu, you have to make the task one time after the other. it's very irritating. After the first task, the Menu is hided, then you have to open it again
they wont. it's just a bugfix release.

slender 2010-10-21 09:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gruik (Post 846831)
I hope they improve the way to use the menu. for example if you want to connect bluetooth and profile through and the menu, you have to make the task one time after the other. it's very irritating. After the first task, the Menu is hided, then you have to open it again
Hmm
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/bluezwitch/
Also I´m pretty sure that you can automate some stuff buy learning scripting trought shell and maybe this widget:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Comman...Widget_scripts

But it´s true that sometimes it´s frustrating that menu closes itself automatically.

ossipena 2010-10-21 09:08
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 846827)
not much more of a risk than using official Image then, as nokia kinda already do that with MYnokia :D
actually tweaking cherry settings would be pretty big killer. imagine 100 SMSes send to chinese premium number at your phone bill....

Spotfist 2010-10-21 09:27
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lol this thread is great, people actually arguing over the idea of installing a leaked update, after PR1.2 I don't see the point really, it caused trouble for people using Titans kernel and didn't actually provide us with much, I personally think I will just wait this time, watch everyone else have the problems and then hopefully I can avoid doing the same hehe ;)

taril 2010-10-21 09:56
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The libflashplayer.so is incompatible with facebook. :-\

danramos 2010-10-21 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abhi.17oct (Post 846826)
Why are we talking about the Sygic maps? Has nokia officially said no to free voice navigation on the N900.. Is this the best solution nokia has?? one of the top end model is not giving the basic features provided in far lower models... shame on nokia...
Pardon me but... yes, why ARE you talking about Sygic... or mapping software at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spotfist (Post 846856)
lol this thread is great, people actually arguing over the idea of installing a leaked update, after PR1.2 I don't see the point really, it caused trouble for people using Titans kernel and didn't actually provide us with much, I personally think I will just wait this time, watch everyone else have the problems and then hopefully I can avoid doing the same hehe ;)
You snarky son of a b*tch. ...I would, too. ;)

But! Given Nokia is making people wait.. and wait... and wait... and you have to rely on Nokia to provide you with the fixes, since it's nothing like the desktop Linux experience... or no, wait... I thought Maemo was supposed to be like desktop Linux in your pocket, wasn't it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by taril (Post 846871)
The libflashplayer.so is incompatible with facebook. :-\
Your face might be incompatible with facebook. ;)

sdesai 2010-10-21 09:57
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhi.17oct (Post 846826)
Why are we talking about the Sygic maps? Has nokia officially said no to free voice navigation on the N900.. Is this the best solution nokia has?? one of the top end model is not giving the basic features provided in far lower models... shame on nokia...:mad:

i would rather buy stand alone gps device for my car rather buy that damn sygic.

May b its some kind of a nokia strategy not to release turn by turn early else no one would opt for sygic:mad:

maemodude 2010-10-21 13:38
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guys gimme the date wen it will be available for everyone. i was happy with 1.2 and now after they announced 1.3 im checkin website all the time for the release date

sjgadsby 2010-10-21 14:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maemodude (Post 847093)
guys gimme the date wen it will be available for everyone. i was happy with 1.2 and now after they announced 1.3 im checkin website all the time for the release date
As a rule, Nokia do not announce in advance the release dates of firmware updates. You'll know it when it happens.


Wait, that's nearly the N900's marketing slogan.

tebsu 2010-10-21 14:44
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for all those who are complaining.. i have the lkd 1.3 installed and i dont noticed anything new neither did any application stopped working (and i am using a lot of apps) however, i would also recommend you to wait for the real deal. i have 2 N900 so if one breaks, i have a backup device, you not.

noobmonkey 2010-10-21 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tebsu (Post 847175)
i have a backup device, you not.
And pray, tell me, how do you know that i don't?!

AMLJ 2010-10-21 15:43
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
I suggest even the most adventurous guys here, not to try this...

Of course, if you value your N900, as someone else already said.

paulemm 2010-10-21 16:14
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Oh if you do try it, when you flash back you have to flash eMMC too. i had temporary problems with 3g connection when flashed back. I actually flashed it to PR1.1.1 first and then upgrade to PR1.2 and 3g connection works again

stalker 2010-10-21 17:23
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
http://www.maemofanatics.com/wp-cont...gtheupdate.jpg

Speculation on what PR1.3 brings for changes has been surprisingly low…well let’s shake that up a bit. In addition to the 100+ bug fixes, some UI elements have been updated, as well as an apparently new driver to interact with the PowerVR SGX530 GPU, here are some of the user-noticeable changes that should come with PR1.3;

MicroB (browser), Modest (e-mail) and hildon-desktop (desktop UI) have been updated and will provide a much faster experience, less glitching and reduced process pegging.

Universal Contact Search has improved response time for displaying results.

Audio playback no longer causes abnormal high processor usage, and pause/resume playback after a call is much more predictable and works as it should. In addition, the mediaplayer widget ‘play’ button now works.

Portrait mode transition is faster for all applications that support rotation. Feels “constant” and much more deliberate.

Accounts being forced to error-offline during new network connection has been fixed.

Several fixes to Mail for Exchange. Unknown if Google syncing has been addressed.

You can now enter a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.

Camera and image browsing has less “chop” and stuttering. Feels much more fluid.

Delay added to screen unlocking during alarm or phone call. Reduces unwanted input.

wmarone 2010-10-21 17:57
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stalker (Post 847298)
MicroB (browser), Modest (e-mail) and hildon-desktop (desktop UI) have been updated and will provide a much faster experience, less glitching and reduced process pegging.
This alone would serve to improve the N900 user experience so much it's not funny, assuming the fixes are worth a damn. Why it took so long to get this far is a mystery. Hell it's my primary complaint, since they're the primary culprits in every "almost-pitched-it-against-the-wall" moment.

Almost makes me wonder if gprof was ever used.

elie-7 2010-10-21 18:20
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i really think that with pr1.3 we won't ahve any bugs whats so ever, really the perfect device. the n900 is the BOMB .

geneven 2010-10-21 18:42
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 846387)
Incorrect. Some warnings were bs, some were totally valid.
Well, I would love to see this all summarized somewhere. I would say that the overwhelming preponderance of warnings were hysterically overstated and the disasters they predicted never came true. I suppose someone could have said something accurate at one time or another...

Just as an aside, I felt that the tone of warnings about leaked PR1.2 and the tone of warnings about overclocking were very similar. In both cases, most people with sense ignored them and benefited as a result. Enough time has elapsed now that it's pretty clear that few if any disasters ensued.

sdesai 2010-10-21 18:45
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stalker (Post 847298)
http://www.maemofanatics.com/wp-cont...gtheupdate.jpg

Speculation on what PR1.3 brings for changes has been surprisingly low…well let’s shake that up a bit. In addition to the 100+ bug fixes, some UI elements have been updated, as well as an apparently new driver to interact with the PowerVR SGX530 GPU, here are some of the user-noticeable changes that should come with PR1.3;

MicroB (browser), Modest (e-mail) and hildon-desktop (desktop UI) have been updated and will provide a much faster experience, less glitching and reduced process pegging.

Universal Contact Search has improved response time for displaying results.

Audio playback no longer causes abnormal high processor usage, and pause/resume playback after a call is much more predictable and works as it should. In addition, the mediaplayer widget ‘play’ button now works.

Portrait mode transition is faster for all applications that support rotation. Feels “constant” and much more deliberate.

Accounts being forced to error-offline during new network connection has been fixed.

Several fixes to Mail for Exchange. Unknown if Google syncing has been addressed.

You can now enter a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.

Camera and image browsing has less “chop” and stuttering. Feels much more fluid.

Delay added to screen unlocking during alarm or phone call. Reduces unwanted input.
u 4got to mention the source buddy http://www.maemofanatics.com/pr1-3-a...on-of-changes/

Dave999 2010-10-21 18:54
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stalker (Post 847298)

MicroB (browser), Modest (e-mail) and hildon-desktop (desktop UI) have been updated and will provide a much faster experience, less glitching and reduced process pegging.


Portrait mode transition is faster for all applications that support rotation. Feels “constant” and much more deliberate.
hope these two makes it possible to scroll webpages without delay and the potrait mode makes it easier to answer fast without pressing reject.

Clubberlang 2010-10-21 21:54
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is vsync fixed?

Please say yes

Reffyyyy 2010-10-21 22:05
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@Clubberlang

I extremely doubt it. I believe it was marked as a WONTFIX a long time ago.

Clubberlang 2010-10-21 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reffyyyy (Post 847480)
@Clubberlang

I extremely doubt it. I believe it was marked as a WONTFIX a long time ago.
arghh that's what i thought. People are saying the SGX driver was updated though.

sony123 2010-10-21 22:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clubberlang (Post 847490)
arghh that's what i thought. People are saying the SGX driver was updated though.
The driver is updated but it is for bug fixes, vsync still disabled and will always be like this on Maemo 5.

Netweaver 2010-10-21 22:34
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sony123 (Post 847495)
The driver is updated but it is for bug fixes, vsync still disabled and will always be like this on Maemo 5.
The proper VSYNC enabled SGX driver needs an newer kernel level, not the crappy old version we (and PR1.3) are on.

So, not going to be fixed for Maemo 5 ever ... Unless a newer kernel can be made backwards compatible. But it seems the kernel has moved on too much to be easily retrofitted.

Too bad. Let's hope Meego or NITdroid are coming soon in a usable form.

bristoldave 2010-10-21 23:30
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Quote:
You can now enter a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.
Praise be! :D

YoDude 2010-10-22 00:47
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 847346)
Well, I would love to see this all summarized somewhere. I would say that the overwhelming preponderance of warnings were hysterically overstated and the disasters they predicted never came true. I suppose someone could have said something accurate at one time or another...

Just as an aside, I felt that the tone of warnings about leaked PR1.2 and the tone of warnings about overclocking were very similar. In both cases, most people with sense ignored them and benefited as a result. Enough time has elapsed now that it's pretty clear that few if any disasters ensued.
Ah time. That is the essence of "it" isn't it. Not to belabor this discussion but some warnings were valid for a time that has since elapsed.

For a time, until a work around was deduced rolling back from the leak would cause problems.
For a time, some programs didn't work at all.
For a time, the virtual keyboard for most 3rd party themes did not display correctly.

All this was worked out eventually but until that "time", a lot of people were lost. Hell, just weeding through the threads here during that "time" was an incredible waste of "it", even for those who weren't lost.

In the end, what ever time was gained by loading the leaked version early was lost to the time spent trying to work around problems that were eventually solved with the official release.

You are right though, after all was said and done, there was no need for the dire warnings that were posted.
However, there was also no need for all the sniveling that was posted here too. :)

***

So perhaps what we all should agree on is that even if someone FUBAR's their N900 installing or flashing anything, someone in this community will post on this forum how to correct it... eventually. :)

Until that "time" if a FUBAR was not caused by something produced and distributed by this community (including Nokia RC's or leaks) there should be no dang sniveling. :cool:

Now I'm going to get me a snack and a cold beer so please, bring on the screenshots if anyone has this installed. :)

TomJ 2010-10-22 14:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 846604)
That's why you monitor there conversation (google translator) and wait for someone else to try before you do and confirm that he is safe lol. It's the same thing as someone cracking software on their computer, or downloading .exe files from some site then installing it on their PC, little does he knows how safe the file could be, or what harm could be done to his computer and his privacy. Still he insist and try it out anyway. :)

That's just human nature, we are one risky race on this planet. Everyone is a gambler at some point right :)

There is a risk but risk is worth taken if you don't try it out then you wouldn't know. The chinese dude is either a Nokia employee in China branch or he could be a friend of one of the China testers branch.
Confirm it's safe? How, pray? As I said during the last fiasco, unless you can decompile the thing, how do you know there's no keylogger or bot waiting for a certain date or othjer trigger to kick in? Indeed, how do you know the person "confirming it's safe" has any clue of how to notice whether such a thing's installed? These threads are social engineering attacks waitnig to happen...

dchky 2010-10-22 16:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomJ (Post 848044)
Confirm it's safe? How...
The first nail:

MyNokia - forced to activate it, forced to pay for it, nowhere on the box or documentation does it mention this.

If it calls home to its creator without a way to disable it before doing so, it is malware. Period.

By this definition the 'official' version is in reality already exactly what your comment warns about.

tswindell 2010-10-22 16:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dchky (Post 848085)
The first nail:

MyNokia - forced to activate it, forced to pay for it, nowhere on the box or documentation does it mention this.

If it calls home to its creator without a way to disable it before doing so, it is malware. Period.

By this definition the 'official' version is in reality already exactly what your comment warns about.
It was written on my box. and there is a work around, take the sim out after flashing and remove the sms from the outbox.

amritpal2489 2010-10-22 17:28
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m tired of waiting

sygys 2010-10-22 18:22
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
i want to report a bug in the 1.3 firmware.

the music player shows the song time wrong

http://www.sygysweb.nl/n900forum/dow...php?id=688&t=1

roger_27 2010-10-22 18:23
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it also has another bug, it shows crappy music song titles. hahaha jk ;)

noobmonkey 2010-10-22 18:42
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But thats not PR1.3?! its a leaked early version lol!!!

Lols. Bugrtrackers, keeping up here? we need a new bug tracker for each leaked release pleeeeeeeeeeease ;) hehe

danramos 2010-10-22 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 848185)
But thats not PR1.3?! its a leaked early version lol!!!

Lols. Bugrtrackers, keeping up here? we need a new bug tracker for each leaked release pleeeeeeeeeeease ;) hehe
Chuck Norris would close all bug reports with a status of 'VIOLENCE'. And they would be fixed because Chuck Norris solves all his problems with violence.

*Sonic* 2010-10-22 18:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 848195)
Chuck Norris would close all bug reports with a status of 'VIOLENCE'. And they would be fixed because Chuck Norris solves all his problems with violence.
Violence doesnt solve anything....













It solves everything :D (in Chucks world only )

dwaradzyn 2010-10-22 19:15
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I have it installed. I was particularly interested in performance improvements and wanted to test if there is vsync or not. Almost all the differences mentioned by maemofanatics.com are not present. Let me comment only about the changes that are present in leaked WK36 firmware:
- You can start a sentece with lowercase.
- Image browser is a little faster. Nothing spectacular, only a little improvement and it is still choppy for my taste.
- The firmware references fremantle-1.3 repositories and some stuff is not online yet. You cannot install libgles1-sgx-img (>= 0.20090218.51+0m5) for example. Many OpenGL ES based apps cannot be installed for that reason.

And for the biggest disapointment: it lacks vsync. The tearing is still noticable even on desktop during scrolling. But the tearing is very much limited. Some apps stopped having tearing at all but at the cost of performance. For example Bounce does not have tearing now but is a little choppy. Others (like Opera Mobile) have tearing limited but noticeable performance decrease.

I hoped to test CloudGPS with this new drivers but I cannot get it to run because of libgles1 dependency. I managed to compare the results of tearing tests that can be found here. There is visibly far less tearing (almost none compared to PR1.2) but performance is noticably worse. Flashing back to PR1.2 and advise everybody not to bother with this leak.

AMLJ 2010-10-22 19:42
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You don't want to value your N900, that's fine, but please don't try to look like a bug tracker!
THIS IS NOT PR 1.3! REPEAT AFTER ME! THIS IS NOT PR 1.3!
Keep repeating, until you are sure you've understood what you have installed is not PR 1.3!

YoDude 2010-10-22 19:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaradzyn (Post 848202)
I have it installed. I was particularly interested in performance improvements and wanted to test if there is vsync or not. Almost all the differences mentioned by maemofanatics.com are not present. Let me comment only about the changes that are present in leaked WK36 firmware:
- You can start a sentece with lowercase.
- Image browser is a little faster. Nothing spectacular, only a little improvement and it is still choppy for my taste.
- The firmware references fremantle-1.3 repositories and some stuff is not online yet. You cannot install libgles1-sgx-img (>= 0.20090218.51+0m5) for example. Many OpenGL ES based apps cannot be installed for that reason.

And for the biggest disapointment: it lacks vsync. The tearing is still noticable even on desktop during scrolling. But the tearing is very much limited. Some apps stopped having tearing at all but at the cost of performance. For example Bounce does not have tearing now but is a little choppy. Others (like Opera Mobile) have tearing limited but noticeable performance decrease.

I hoped to test CloudGPS with this new drivers but I cannot get it to run because of libgles1 dependency. I managed to compare the results of tearing tests that can be found here. There is visibly far less tearing (almost none compared to PR1.2) but performance is noticably worse. Flashing back to PR1.2 and advise everybody not to bother with this leak.
Thanks again.

I'm curious about something. Can the status bar menu be activated from a portrait screen like it is from landscape?

(That is, by touching the battery/time/signal icons on the top status bar.)

danramos 2010-10-22 19:49
Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMLJ (Post 848213)
You don't want to value your N900, that's fine, but please don't try to look like a bug tracker!
THIS IS NOT PR 1.3! REPEAT AFTER ME! THIS IS NOT PR 1.3!
Keep repeating, until you are sure you've understood what you have installed is not PR 1.3!
What's all this jibber jabber? Clearly it's 1.3! People are saying so! So it must be PR 1.3. :)


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