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stopgap 2010-10-27 04:59
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 852669)
And at the time of release this was the ONLY phone doing FULL flash added to that is the fact that it DID explicitly specify the flash version both in the specs and several reviews posted prior to the release.

As for flash being present on other devices. Welcome to technology. The device you just bought was basically obsolete the day you purchased it. Complaining because devices that are 6-12 months more recent than the N900 are FINALLY getting flash and the N900 isn't shows a failure to grasp the pace at which tech - especially this mobile tech - is currently moving.

On a final note - the flash tweaker I does a pretty good job of fooling most sites that we they should run flash content just fine and I am sure that if you REALLY applied yourself you could find the TI release of the flash plugin somewhere in the big wild internets.
I know exactly where to find the TI release, thanks. I have a copy saved and have for a while now, thanks. I have flash tweaker installed and running too, thanks. This addresses those sites where it's merely the lazy designers or the inept, but still not those which actually need it.

I have a fine grasp on the steady march of technological obsolescence, thanks. For this very reason I know that the N900 is currently entering artificial obsolescence at the hands of Nokia. The hardware specs are more than capable of keeping current and up with the market curve for potentially a good 6-12 months yet.

The N900 isn't getting flash 10 because Nokia don't want to pay for it, for a dead operating system. Maemo is now commerically dead, there are no other major players using it and Nokia is not. Had Nokia come out with a range of devices churned out using Maemo (as they do with s40/s60 phones) then it would not be dead, but they've dropped it because they're moving to Meego instead. This is not to say that Maemo is dead, just commercially so.

Reread what I said about announcing the version. If you REALLY apply yourself, you'll notice the well worded statement and sentence structure drawing the reader's attention to the final closing point of it... which was:
Quote:
it didn't say it comes with Flash 9, this will be the only version
Go on now, REALLY apply yourself!

EDIT: actually, just another thought... as to the pace of technological change. iPhone! The world leading smart phone, only a few revisions and it is still being kept bang up to date with major OS updates years on. Hardware is hardware and cannot be overcome, so of course any features which rely on new hardware can't be introduced. It may be no N900, but it is the market leader and the curve setter so there's no excuse by comparison to leading competitors for similarly specced phones to be any less well supported. ESPECIALLY given that it is linux with full automated package manager based updating. This thing should be getting 1 to 2 weekly minor updates, if not more.

Bratag 2010-10-27 05:05
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
Quote:
Reread what I said about announcing the version. If you REALLY apply yourself, you'll notice the well worded statement and sentence structure drawing the reader's attention to the final closing point of it... which was:
it didn't say it comes with Flash 9, this will be the only version
I see so because Nokia did not explicitly say that the device would not be getting a newer version of flash - you made the ASSUMPTION that it would. Nokia didn't explicitly state that the device wouldn't be getting a self pleasuring attachment - therefore I am going to assume that it should be and create thread after thread after thread whining about the lack of it/support/self pleasure etc etc.

Seems to me the fault lies somewhere other than Nokia for jumping to conclusions without anything from Nokia to back them.

Oh and if you have the TI version of the plugin - WTF are you complaining about. The flash thread seems to show it working pretty damn well on flash 10 only sites.

stopgap 2010-10-27 05:28
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 852692)
I see so because Nokia did not explicitly say that the device would not be getting a newer version of flash - you made the ASSUMPTION that it would. Nokia didn't explicitly state that the device wouldn't be getting a self pleasuring attachment - therefore I am going to assume that it should be and create thread after thread after thread whining about the lack of it/support/self pleasure etc etc.

Seems to me the fault lies somewhere other than Nokia for jumping to conclusions without anything from Nokia to back them.

Oh and if you have the TI version of the plugin - WTF are you complaining about. The flash thread seems to show it working pretty damn well on flash 10 only sites.
I made the REASONABLE assumption that in 6 months one of my N900's major selling points would not start to become obsolete on the MOST popular websites in the world (YouTube, Google Maps etc.) The very fact I have the flash plugin shows that it is purely software and nothing else and so it is perfectly possible to do this update. This is a mobile computer, not a mobile phone. Assumption yes, but unreasonable - certainly not.

You're obviously not REALLY applying yourself here... there's a vast difference between academically discussing a viewpoint (in this case someone else's) and stating one's own preference. I was doing the former. I wasn't even complaining, it's called having a discussion. Frankly you're the one whining out of the two of us... I was merely having a discussion. You'll note the only childish jibes I added were aping your own and I certainly haven't resorted to language like WTF!

I recommend you now ignore this thread - it's clearly not to your liking.

Bratag 2010-10-27 05:38
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[QUOTE]I made the REASONABLE assumption that in 6 months one of my N900's major selling points would not start to become obsolete on the MOST popular websites in the world (YouTube, Google Maps etc.) The very fact I have the flash plugin shows that it is purely software and nothing else and so it is perfectly possible to do this update. This is a mobile computer, not a mobile phone. Assumption yes, but unreasonable - certainly not.[QUOTE]

Ok firstly - WTF is bad language now? How bout you read it as where the fudsicles then if you are that easily offended.

My last comment on this topic. Read your above quote. You made the REASONABLE assumption that a feature that NO OTHER PHONE AT THE TIME HAD would in 6 months be upgraded? How is that in any way reasonable.

Look I agree - Nokia could solve this by simply doing what is necessary to get flash 10.1 on the N900. They have obviously chosen not to. But to get all pissed off because you made an assumption based on - lets face it - nothing, and it didn't pan out. Well there is only one person to blame there really isnt there.

sdesai 2010-10-27 05:44
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 852640)
yes and then he can create a blog and vent the frustration there.
e: example: http://n8fail.tumblr.com/

if I am pissed, I am not going to a random place somewhat related and start trashing the place and shouting insults to people. maemo.org isn't nokia and if you are pissed to nokia, coming here is almost like if you are pissed to granny next door and you go shouting to retirement home.


http://www.forum.nokia.com/
Well he doesnt need to ask you or anyone where to give his views. Someone just being dis satisfied doesnt mean he is venting his frustration. May be he doesnt find forum.nokia good enough, may be he finds interaction and responses here better, all developers are here so he just expresses his thoughts and wanted to knw what others feels. if u dont like it ignore it, Take it or Leave it !

stopgap 2010-10-27 06:41
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
[QUOTE=Bratag;852751][QUOTE]I made the REASONABLE assumption that in 6 months one of my N900's major selling points would not start to become obsolete on the MOST popular websites in the world (YouTube, Google Maps etc.) The very fact I have the flash plugin shows that it is purely software and nothing else and so it is perfectly possible to do this update. This is a mobile computer, not a mobile phone. Assumption yes, but unreasonable - certainly not.
Quote:

Ok firstly - WTF is bad language now? How bout you read it as where the fudsicles then if you are that easily offended.

My last comment on this topic. Read your above quote. You made the REASONABLE assumption that a feature that NO OTHER PHONE AT THE TIME HAD would in 6 months be upgraded? How is that in any way reasonable.

Look I agree - Nokia could solve this by simply doing what is necessary to get flash 10.1 on the N900. They have obviously chosen not to. But to get all pissed off because you made an assumption based on - lets face it - nothing, and it didn't pan out. Well there is only one person to blame there really isnt there.
It is reasonable because it is such a crucial web technology, one which is well maintained on desktop systems and the N900 is a mobile computer. It is an expensive device and as I already said, comparable to the iPhone and Android devices which are being updated more rigorously. If this was a $200 or less smartphone then my point wouldn't stand but the simple fact is that its more expensive than decent laptops and there is a reasonable expectation as a customer that having paid for a device this expensive, it will be properly supported and receive major updates, not just minor bug fixing ones.

whayong 2010-10-27 07:15
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
Damn you Nokia!

You MADE me buy a "phone" for ENTHUSIASTS.
You MADE me buy a "phone" WITHOUT Flash 10.1.
You MADE me buy a "phone" WITHOUT voice turn by turn navigation.
You MADE me buy a "phone" _____(insert complaint here)_____.

Wait, what was the problem again?

!!Nokia N900!! 2010-10-27 07:42
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
Yea, this time the up-date was for bugs fixes.
Hope next up-date ( PR1.4 ) will be specific for adding more features.

asator 2010-10-27 08:14
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by neotalk (Post 852367)
nokia urgently need to make a response to the errors that they have done with this latest update....what are the chances?
You keep talking about the bugs, errors and call this update a disaster. Do you have any examples? What exactly did this update break? I'm really curious, because I haven't found anything yet.

danramos 2010-10-27 08:34
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 852454)
I sure do. And I'm surrounded in both Android and iPhone owners.

That's not to say they don't like to show their phones off to me sometimes too. But.. I suppose that's the difference between me and them and this forum. Give and take isn't actually "bad".

Having an FM transmitter to stream Pandora through clearer than the majority of after-market devices with a larger range of frequencies impresses several people. The ability to play videos in quality and formats that other phones balk at impresses people. The ability to have skype completely integrated into my contacts gets attention. The ability to quickly switch between several apps when we are debugging problems at work impresses. Using the flash as a flashlight is still brighter than any screen yet.

Many, many, little **** that I do day by day that the people I hang out with go "that's cool." Then my Android buddy pulls up full 3D WoW Armory on his phone to show off his character that I have no hope for (The armory requires Flash 10).

So yeah.. living in a world where there's actually room for differences must seem totally weird to most people on here.
With the exception of the FM transmitter and fully integrated Skype (which I really prefer not to use anyway--I'm far more of a standard SIP fan), the rest I already do (and most Androids and non-Androids can too). I can very quickly switch between my running apps (I use my app killer to do that, ironically--I don't use it to kill apps, actually). I just swipe my finger down and tap the app killer and then single-tap to switch to a running app in memory and I'm immediately in it. I also can use my dual-LED flash as a very bright, blindingly, flashlight. Additionally, I use SSH to connect home and I've got my Linux command line to manage boxes, plus OpenVPN in Android to connect home and manage my torrent boxes and so on. Seems like a lot of very common functionality in most smart phones these days.

Just seems kinda.. meh, so far. Then there's the N900 lack of support and additional features, bug fixes, etc. on a steady basis as well as the fact that there's a LOT of kernel hacking going on in the Android world whereas I don't really hear about a lot of customization or any kind of impressive hacking in the N900 realm outside of CPU frequency hacking (which my Droid already does too).

But anyway, just seems weird to hear anyone go "Wow!" at an N900 these days... but then if I can get any "Wow!"s for a Droid 1, I suppose an N900 can too to some degree. :)

danramos 2010-10-27 08:36
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by txh (Post 852488)
Everyone has their own opinions, there is no need to go around insulting people here.
“You're a jerk. A complete kneebiter.”
~ Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged

mhamza 2010-10-27 08:53
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by AMLJ (Post 852493)
Does PR 1.2 support video calls over 3G?
NO it does not
my old symbians did:)

mhamza 2010-10-27 08:58
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 852613)
What amazes me the most about these threads is that people will complain and ***** and moan about the phone (which I have to admit I like a great deal - just finished a 2 hours NFSU session FTW). Yet they stick around these forums like a unwashed jock strap at the bottom of a gym bag and call anyone who even remotely supports Nokia a fanboy.

This isnt even a goddamn Nokia forum. Its talk.MAEMO.org, not talk.n900.org or even talk.nokia.org. My support is primarily for the OS which continues to get better and better.

If you are that unhappy with the OS then load up gentoo on it - others have. Works just fine from what I have read. Or Ubuntu, or debian. Hell do something other than complain every time a new BUGFIX release comes out (this is the 3rd major one in under a year by the way - no support?).

Failing that please - just leave. Have your little whine - then take your bat,ball and new phone and go whine on their forums. Let the rest of us get on with improving the maemo experience in peace.

On a personal note - I have tried Android, tried BB, tried palm, tried iphone and tried windows mobile (though not the new 7 vers) and quite frankly my N900 still is the most functional mobile computer I have ever had.
Simply do not read or reply to my post

leetut 2010-10-27 09:01
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regarding post 2 it seems the 'report post button' does not work?
can someone please remove that post

mhamza 2010-10-27 09:04
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 852626)
I can give you a quick tip: reading would make your life easier. no need to read minds or other stuff like that, you only have to understand what you read.

as you can see, there are people criticizing your comments because they have read and understood too.

N900 is awesome, but if this doesn't appeal to you, it is not my fault that you have done really bad decision:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/n...ental-illness/
As i said before i am not paranoid person, yet you are se tense and taking it too personal.
Dear, you are young enough to avoid such stresses, and you urself didnt understand what i wrote, and as i imagine you are trying to be one of those replying to grasp attention and say non sense comments wraped in phrases that might look like logic posting links to make it look like you thought and replied and so on, i met alot like you life must have all types of people, and as i said clowns, not only you, need audience, so keep on amusing posters it is funny

mhamza 2010-10-27 09:10
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whayong (Post 852795)
Damn you Nokia!

You MADE me buy a "phone" for ENTHUSIASTS.
You MADE me buy a "phone" WITHOUT Flash 10.1.
You MADE me buy a "phone" WITHOUT voice turn by turn navigation.
You MADE me buy a "phone" _____(insert complaint here)_____.

Wait, what was the problem again?
No one MADE me or you, if you have N900, buy it
all what we ask for is something get this thing on equal feet with other competitors, is this so strange to talk about?

mhamza 2010-10-27 09:12
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Originally Posted by !!Nokia N900!! (Post 852823)
Yea, this time the up-date was for bugs fixes.
Hope next up-date ( PR1.4 ) will be specific for adding more features.
and what if 1.4 didnt carry any new features? you'll find some replying, did Nokia ever promise anything in 1.4 ?

JimKnopf 2010-10-27 09:17
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 852970)
all what we ask for is something get this thing on equal feet with other competitors, is this so strange to talk about?
It is indeed, in the way you've started this thread and continue posting. :eek:

danramos 2010-10-27 09:29
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Originally Posted by JimKnopf (Post 852981)
It is indeed, in the way you've started this thread and continue posting. :eek:
Agreed. I have no problem with people opining and even ranting, but you should expect other people who might do the same about you and your opinions.

You all know I rant. :D But, I'm perfectly comfortable being criticized back. Sometimes I even back right up and agree with the criticism if it seems convincing. I only have a problem when someone genuinely means to tell someone else to shut up. I mean--they're not being tongue-in-cheek or ribbing each other but genuinely trying to quell opposing opinion. That bothers me. Otherwise, I'm good with people complaining. :)

mhamza 2010-10-27 09:31
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Originally Posted by JimKnopf (Post 852981)
It is indeed, in the way you've started this thread and continue posting. :eek:
Would you be more specific?
what is wrong with starting a post?
what is wrong with posting replies?

danramos 2010-10-27 09:36
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 853005)
Would you be more specific?
what is wrong with starting a post?
what is wrong with posting replies?
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to lower your tone of voice. You're disturbing the other passengers on this plane. Sir. Sir! Lower your voice! :)

WereCatf 2010-10-27 09:37
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 853005)
what is wrong with starting a post?
Crying foul over features that were never even promised to begin with?

ossipena 2010-10-27 09:45
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Originally Posted by sdesai (Post 852759)
Well he doesnt need to ask you or anyone where to give his views. Someone just being dis satisfied doesnt mean he is venting his frustration. May be he doesnt find forum.nokia good enough, may be he finds interaction and responses here better, all developers are here so he just expresses his thoughts and wanted to knw what others feels. if u dont like it ignore it, Take it or Leave it !
the point is that if you start with a wrong foot and a wrong place for behaving like that, one must face the consequences by some people giving harsh opinions about ones actions.

e: for example "you are an .... because my gf is mad at me!!!"

danramos 2010-10-27 09:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 853016)
Crying foul over features that were never even promised to begin with?
YOU FOOL! You promised never to bring that up again! :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 853030)
the point is that if you start with a wrong foot and a wrong place for behaving like that, one must face the consequences by some people giving harsh opinions about ones actions.

e: for example "you are an .... because my gf is mad at me!!!"
You witnessed it here, folks! Ossipena even offered it up in quotes! He's taking the four-dot ellipses and making it his swear-word!

mhamza 2010-10-27 09:46
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Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 853016)
Crying foul over features that were never even promised to begin with?
Crying? Foul? never promised?

i will comment on the last one which the only one sound reasonable to me
you dont need to get promised that your seat on a plane will be more fancy, yet they do it.
you dont wait to be promised that the train will be faster to reach a destination you visit, yet, you'll smile with full teeth if happened

but this is even more important to me.....

ossipena 2010-10-27 09:48
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 852959)
As i said before i am not paranoid person, yet you are se tense and taking it too personal.
Dear, you are young enough to avoid such stresses, and you urself didnt understand what i wrote, and as i imagine you are trying to be one of those replying to grasp attention and say non sense comments wraped in phrases that might look like logic posting links to make it look like you thought and replied and so on, i met alot like you life must have all types of people, and as i said clowns, not only you, need audience, so keep on amusing posters it is funny
err... what did you just say? I kinda got lost between those words and commas...

ishurmer 2010-10-27 09:50
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 852900)
But anyway, just seems weird to hear anyone go "Wow!" at an N900 these days... but then if I can get any "Wow!"s for a Droid 1, I suppose an N900 can too to some degree. :)
Not so sure about that, I booted into NITDroid the other day to show a couple of IPhone owners - they were quite impressed with the ease of the whole process, and these are guys who are fairly tech savvy. Also, I find it odd you are comparing an "App Killer" task manager with the N900's multitasking model, as it's not really the same thing from a technological perspective, or is it (I'm not really clued up on Android, I will freely admit)?

I'm sure it's pretty cool to be able to run Palm Pre games directly on the device with no binary modifications. Plus there was the PSGroove hack (old news now of course), which not only made lots of people go "wow", but the N900 was way ahead of the rest in terms of ports.

However, the best thing about these two is that they are homebrew modifications/ports which are only facilitated by the openness of Maemo, and the N900 itself. I mean, the N900 is coming up to 12 months old now, and it is still competing with brand new phones if you know how to look after it.

Clearly, the N900 is a phone which is aimed at a very limited sector of the market, and people have obviously been mis-sold the phone by Nokia, which I think is where the majority of valid complaints come from.

danramos 2010-10-27 09:51
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 853033)
Crying? Foul? never promised?

i will comment on the last one which the only one sound reasonable to me
you dont need to get promised that your seat on a plane will be more fancy, yet they do it.
you dont wait to be promised that the train will be faster to reach a destination you visit, yet, you'll smile with full teeth if happened

but this is even more important to me.....
I'm not sure I follow your analogies, but maybe it's better to point this out instead:
When your competition is providing a better experience, software and support, it makes you a saaaaad panda.

WereCatf 2010-10-27 09:58
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 853033)
Crying? Foul? never promised?

i will comment on the last one which the only one sound reasonable to me
you dont need to get promised that your seat on a plane will be more fancy, yet they do it.
you dont wait to be promised that the train will be faster to reach a destination you visit, yet, you'll smile with full teeth if happened
Your examples don't make any sense, you know. If I buy a plane ticket I expect to get from one place to another in the promised time, not to get some fancy seat. The promise is right there: to get from A to B in a given time frame.

If it was the OP in question it'd be like he's crying foul over not getting a lapdance in the plane.

danramos 2010-10-27 09:59
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Originally Posted by ishurmer (Post 853042)
Not so sure about that, I booted into NITDroid the other day to show a couple of IPhone owners - they were quite impressed with the ease of the whole process, and these are guys who are fairly tech savvy. Also, I find it odd you are comparing an "App Killer" task manager with the N900's multitasking model, as it's not really the same thing from a technological perspective, or is it (I'm not really clued up on Android, I will freely admit)?

I'm sure it's pretty cool to be able to run Palm Pre games directly on the device with no binary modifications. Plus there was the PSGroove hack (old news now of course), which not only made lots of people go "wow", but the N900 was way ahead of the rest in terms of ports.

However, the best thing about these two is that they are homebrew modifications/ports which are only facilitated by the openness of Maemo, and the N900 itself. I mean, the N900 is coming up to 12 months old now, and it is still competing with brand new phones if you know how to look after it.

Clearly, the N900 is a phone which is aimed at a very limited sector of the market, and people have obviously been mis-sold the phone by Nokia, which I think is where the majority of valid complaints come from.
I know using a task killer as a quick task switcher seems odd, but it does work very well. I suppose I'd have to show it to you for you to really see what I mean but it's as easy as a swipe, tap and tap to switch around immediately between applications running in memory. There might be an even easier way with the LauncherPro desktop I'm using in Android, but I'm not aware of it at the moment. (I'm actually reasonably certain I saw it somewhere in there, but I'll need to peek around through the settings for a keymapping to do it.)

For the rest: Well said. I can generally agree with you on most of that--except that there really isn't a lot of Wow to the Palm platform right now either and then running Pre software is hardly a "matured" feature (as someone put it elsewhere) and appears to be rife with problems at the moment. On the other hand, the homebrew modifications are aplenty on other platforms--much moreso on the Android side where there is a PLETHORA of Linux kernel hacking in addition to themes, launchers and other feature and functions of the operating system. I've yet to see it really blossom to this level on the N900.

danramos 2010-10-27 10:00
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Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 853051)
Your examples don't make any sense, you know. If I buy a plane ticket I expect to get from one place to another in the promised time, not to get some fancy seat. The promise is right there: to get from A to B in a given time frame.

If it was the OP in question it'd be like he's crying foul over not getting a lapdance in the plane.
With plane delays and runway endless waiting on the tarmac... whew.. not a good example either.

ANALOGY FAIL

Also, lapdance in the plane? A PROMISE at Virgin Airlines. *sage nod*

strongm 2010-10-27 10:02
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Originally Posted by Mart5.1 (Post 852361)
(really must install the Flash tweak tool)
The flash tweaker does not work with this update 1.3
As a UK user I have not got PR1.3 yet, so that doesn't matter

danramos 2010-10-27 10:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strongm (Post 853062)
As a UK user I have not got PR1.3 yet, so that doesn't matter
Hello, UK user, your patronage is important to Nokia, please stay on the line and wait for the next available upgrade. Thank you. --muzak--

strongm 2010-10-27 10:06
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 852393)
did nokia promise that any Maps application updates will have the turn by turn navigation free of charge?!!
Yes, that's exactly what they did.

mhamza 2010-10-27 10:13
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Originally Posted by strongm (Post 853075)
Yes, that's exactly what they did.
Oh so i miss that because i got the navigation service charged and i do not really remember that when i got it i got any promise that when i will update 2 years later it will be free!

strongm 2010-10-27 10:35
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Originally Posted by stopgap (Post 852685)
iPhone! The world leading smart phone.
Not according to IDC, who's smartphone figures (admittedly for end Q1) show the iPhone in 3rd place worldwide, behind Nokia and RIM. Q2 figures from Gartner put it in 4th place.

stopgap 2010-10-27 10:47
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Originally Posted by strongm (Post 853127)
Not according to IDC, who's smartphone figures (admittedly for end Q1) show the iPhone in 3rd place worldwide, behind Nokia and RIM. Q2 figures from Gartner put it in 4th place.
iPhone singular (well, the handful of models thwre are of it) vs. the hundreds (or maybe even thousands) of phones Nokia has and a fairly large range of Blackberry devices.

I realise pound for pound Nokia come out on top, I was just referring to the popularity of a single phone - Nokia and RIM don't come close, nor any Android phones.

strongm 2010-10-27 10:51
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 853088)
Oh so i miss that because i got the navigation service charged and i do not really remember that when i got it i got any promise that when i will update 2 years later it will be free!
I wasn't as clear as I should have been - they made such a promise it in the UK flagship store on the day of the UK release. They changed their minds later ...

strongm 2010-10-27 10:54
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
>the hundreds (or maybe even thousands) of phones Nokia

Nokia do not have hundreds (and certainly not thousands) of smartphones.

johnny_knoe 2010-10-27 10:59
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
It's a pity that the email widget till doesn't work with nokia messaging- it only shows the number of eMails, but not the subject. So it's pretty useless... :(
Apart from that the phone feels alot snappier. The update is ok for me and it's nice to see that the N900 is not abandoned by Nokia. Looking forward to MeeGo 1.1 for a dual boot test setup.


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