Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

How can you say that canabal? Bill Gates would laugh at you and as for Nokia, well at least someone got sense to push them in this direction, i would if it was my company thats for sure because it has no choice but to drag them out of the pit and into salvation but yes i agree with your remarks because upto now no device manufacturer can get even close to the numbers Nokia push out, so the malgamation of these 2 has to be 100% positive.

Yes they screwed up big time with the N900 but still you got to remember here that we do own one and still need it to perform to our needs.

IF you do not own a Nokia device then why are you on this forum? (that goes to everyone on here).

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

to everyone - get a life - its only a ****ing phone

to abill_uk - get a life - its only a ****ing forum

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

It actually answers itself looking at history ! can you see Bill Gates going bankrupt? i can see Nokia going that way if they dont do something radical.

In life if you want to get somewhere you get involved with someone going up the ladder not down, so now look at Microsoft and as much as people hate them they certainly never dwain !.

Put aside all feelings and look at this meger for what it is and the very fact of who is actually merging together !.
Me thinks you better read the news frequently and see just what happens.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I think there may have been an amusing US/UK communication gap here. Abil_UK has suddenly started talking about people here who don't own Nokia products. I think most people here DO own Nokia products or have owned them or have considered owning them, but...

When earlier in the thread someone said they were glad they had sold all their Nokia stock, I think one person from the UK thought he was talking about having sold his Nokia products. No! He was referring to stock as in stock market.

Well, it's 4 a.m. here in Calif, i may be wrong...

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

- rant mode on -
BTW for everyone finding this thread a bit "too much", consider the fact that we are all consumers voicing (mostly...) our disapproval of Nokia's latest strategy change. Consumers buy devices. Without consumers no devices. Even better: we are early adopters, investing relatively much money in our devices - for any leading brand we are pretty important as we can 'set the tone'. How would you think Apple got big ? Thus: it is important to let our voices get heard here, even though it is 'just a phone', it is also something we like to spend our money on == boosts the economy. When we go look for other brands, Nokia head office should start to worry.
-rant mode off-

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

WebOS here I come!

http://oi55.tinypic.com/51vz1y.jpg

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Too little too late for Nokia I feel. Although this is a better way forward than helping to produce a mobile operating system then not developing it, I think Google have too much of a head start on Microsoft.

The sooner I get rid of this phone the better. I look forward to a phone which doesn't supply updates to the Flashlight on a weekly basis.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Maybe you should choose your words more carefully then Geneven ... no love lost between you and i thats for sure so i think we can agree to diasagree but as you well know on this forum i am not always the easiest charactor to get along with as i speak my mind in a realistic way... unlike some aye !.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I have loved my n900 and will continue to love it, as a backup device, but I am buying a nexus S tomorrow.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Damn. Well I wouldn't care if there were many GNU Linux phones out there. But this isn't the case. You can forget about Android. So what now? I have read about a new OpenMoko smartphone.
I just hope we will see more GNU Linux smartphones in the future.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I certainly hope you dont sell your N900 !!!.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I do have a buyer, so I may do so, not sure yet.

I still love the device, but it will never be able to compete with the big boys any more if meego is dead (which it pretty much is). I will move to a winning platform that will not die in 6 months.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

It was a clear and specific question aimed at abill_uk... Should I be surprised that s/he complete sidestepped answering it and only showered us with more of the same "richest-BILLG can't be wrong!" drivel? :rolleyes:

Look hon, you should really spend more time chastising (or policing tar and feathers style) long-term Maemo community members on their NOK stock or the very latest Nokia device ownership status. :cool:

Your chippy MS-nokia cheerleadership really reminds of the old days of yahoo stock pump-n-dump characters combined with the best of myspace.

I'll now let you have the next few hundred posts today without reply. Have a nice day.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

As a long term linux desktop user, it was the N900 that captured my attention when it came to replacing my Sony Ericsson handset. Yes, I finally bought my first Nokia device.

I've loved every minute of looking forward to the next PR updates and the utterly mental speculation threads on here, running EasyDebian, fooling with the Android port, attempting and failing to get NITbuntu running, installing and removing endless applications (some good, some not so good, some pointless) and periodically reflashing my device.

I like to be different and when it came to putting my phone on the bar, my N900 made sure that people asked me about it and when I explained it, they thought it was cool.
There's a guy I work with who also likes to be different, but when he pulled out his Windows powered HTC HD7, people actually laughed.
Almost all of them had iPhones and Android devices. There were a few Blackberrys and there was one guy with a Palm Pre, but nobody said anything about that.
These aren't tech-savvy people. They like to be part of the in-crowd, the cool set, and Windows Mobile just isn't cool. Face it, MS, nobody wants it.

I was hoping that a Meego powered N9 would appear and the fun would continue, but it appears that this will not happen now. MS will NOT, despite any assurances Nokia may make, allow this to happen.

I have money to spend and it was earmarked for an N9. But I still have my N900 and will consider investing in another unless I decide to order an OpenPandora console.

I could speculate that falling stock prices will enable MS to buy out Nokia and it wouldn't surprise me if it happened. But even without that happening, it is surely the end of my short-term relationship with Nokia.

Shame.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

for the people claiming that the partnership has no implications for meego: think again!

he clearly stated that meego will be an experiment. sounds familiar? another experiment like maemo where there is no 100% love and dedication = also no developers creating apps.

wow. poor company, led by baboons.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

You very obviously do not know me so i will forgive your naiveness and explain once again, Bill Gates is no where a friend or ever will be as i put him in the same doggy basket as the Rupert Murdoch's of this world, i am a realist and can also see you dislike mocrosoft and your entitled to that too i might add cos i would join you on that score.

This is about getting the N900 fully fuctional in some way or form and as Nokia screwed me and many many others i am certainly no fan of thiers either.

Simple equation.... Microsoft + Nokia intergration can only mean one thing and that is success, if it does not on the other hand then Gates will ditch Nokia like a stone to save his own back.

This has been a very well thought out gamble by Nokia as it has got some serious problems in the design dept of software, if you do not like or agree with my assumptions then so be it but do NOT think your high and mighty because you are a long standing member ok because if you talk crap i will tell you you talk crap but in this case you dont know me and i forgive you for your somewhat naivety and repsect your comments... is that ok dear?.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

So Torres left. Good going, Flop.

Nice chart this, does not even bother to reflect Meego on it:

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/show...&postcount=870

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I preface this by saying as previously that I love MS on the desktop. But in what way do you perceive Microsoft as a company that's 'going up the ladder'?

Balmer looks like he's on the way out this year.
Windows 7 is a well finished product so I'm not sure what appetite there will be for Windows 8.
Ditto MS Office products - why go from 2007 to 2010 let alone anything beyond that?
WP7 is a turkey currently - I've seen more N900s in people's hands than WP7s - what does that tell you?
The stock price is currently 10% lower than it was entering 2010 (compared with Apple's gain of 68% and Google's gain a modest + 2% but at least in the right direction)


The only thing they have that's going well at the moment is the xbox and Kinnect.

If that's a company on the up to you then no wonder you're so upbeat about Nokia's future.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

This is really sad news for me. I've been nokia customer from my first phone about 13 years ago. I had n800 and n810, back then i said that if they just do device wich is little smaller and with phone functions, it would be my dream device and then came n900 and never haven't regretted of buying it. Maybe i'll just have to buy cpl more n900 just in case. N900 does allmost everything i want from my mobile device. Todays news crushed my dreams of more powerfull Meego device from Nokia, i just hope that atleast some manufacturer makes meego phone.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

In reality wizbowes i am living in the hope that Nokia pull out all the strings and do something worthwhile for our N900.

I am also a hater of the way Nokia have treated me and others and i live in hope... no way a fanboy of Nokia or Microsoft but i have to say this... both companies have made me a hell of a lot of money with their bloomers and faults so as long as that carries on then i will be happy ha.


NB do you see Microsoft in the trouble area Nokia is? that is my point.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Nokia are desperate hence the deal with Microsoft.

In the short term Nokia will do well out of this because Nokia are notably absent from smartphone market (symbian is not a smartphone os!).

In the short term Microsoft will do well because they have a partner willing to back WP7 in a significant way.

Nokia will initially do very well out of this but as with many Microsoft "partnerships" in the long term suffer from it.

I don't need a device that restricts me how I use it by limited software.

I don't need a company that offer very poor service, support and unwilling to communicate with their customers.

My next device will be non-Nokia and non-Microsoft.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

allow me to dream a little........Elop says Nokia will have influence in the future direction of WP7....so, MS spawns a customized version of WP7 just for Nokia because Nokia is selling such large volumes of WP7 devices that they can build a business case for this.

*runs away from all the stones being thrown* :P

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I am to ashamed to call my 3310, 7650, 6600, N73, N82, N900, Nokia any longer.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

This is about as clear as it gets and just shows the end result of Nokia's ill support, johnel been on here with some great comments and i think very sad he wants out of Nokia.... give em a chance johnel???. oooer fanboyism???? hahaha i dont think so.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Wait, let me get this right....in your mind Symbian is not a smartphone OS, but WP7 is? UI doesn't have anything to do with it being a smartphone OS. Symbian is better than WP7 and I do prefer it's UI much more.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Good bye serious mobile operating systems!
Welcome closed, castrated, incompatible, unoptimized, half-baked mobilephone-application-launcher-thingies!

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I have written then deleted a scentence to post that could properly convey my feelings about this subject but I can't.

I am deeply, supercalifragilistically concerned by this move for the future of open source mobile phone devices. Just when I was getting used to the idea!

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I'm extremely happy with my n900 and plan to keep it a long time.

If Nokia release a meego device then I may consider buying it. We'll just have to wait and see what develops.

But the chances of Nokia actually releasing a meego are as small as an asteroid hitting the earth in the next 25 years or so ....

...oh crap what's this?

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Nokia is doomed... And I don't say this because I hate MS (although it is true) but because it means slowing down development even more.

Think. Where there were some true Nokians here they said that developing phone from scratch takes about 2 years. Let's say that with OS ready and dictated specs you could do it in half of the time. It means that you cannot expect "winning W7" device before next year. And if it will be released in 2011 it will be rushed, half finished product.

Will be there help from Symbian or MeeGo side (Elop announced there will be some models)? Nope. Because all people working on them will be looking for new jobs - there is no sense in keeping loyalty to company headed by Elop. So these devices also don't reach their full potential.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I never said WP7 was a smrtphone OS.

One of the highly subjective requirements of a smartphone OS is how it handles connectivity with the internet. Symbian fails at this.

But most people and members of my family see android as their next device. My daughter prefers Blackberry over Nokia devices and thats saying something.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Interesting comments there but i think Nokia will have its fingers in many pies and as the W7 is not new i think with the intergration Microsoft will kick in and spend a lot of development time and manpower knowing it will be in its advantage for them and Nokia.

What worries me is whether they will give the N900 a look in and not bury it for the next device from Nokia.

As long as they create a much better OS for mobiles then it should not be much of a problem to adapt a full blown Windows OS for the N900.

Will it be everyones cup of tea? i very much doubt it but one thing for sure, as the N900 is almost fully open source it will not be hard to adapt pretty well anything for it.
Just have to wait wait and see... no change there haha.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I don't care if MeeGo is considered a "niche platform". Give me the nichest of the nichy, but _make_ them...

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

why are people so negative about this? This means nokia will pe putting out the same os's that it originally had + 1 more... it just means they can now target nokia fans who love symbian and maemo, they can target the programmers and android lovers with meego, and they can target window's users + business market with wm7.
i think this is an amazing move, especially since nokia now has access to ms's wallet. And so much money and support has gone into meego that meego will NOT be forgotten. They still need an answer to android, and meego is it.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I don't see any other linux phones on the horizon. I was hoping Nokia was going to put out a meego one. I love my N900, and I am very happy with the community ssu, but I think it is a dead end now. I don't see any reason to continue playing with Qt development for handsets. I think my best option is Android right now--I am not dying to be part of the google borg, but my only other real options seem to be Windows and Apple, and they are worse.

I am shopping for an Android phone (unlocked GSM, hopefully with a keyboard) and will switch my development efforts there. I will be on the lookout for meego tablets, but I am sad to see that there will be no meego phone forthcoming--and if there is one, it will be another orphaned device like the N900.

Sigh.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

I've felt a disturbance today, as if millions of N900s cried out in terror, and suddenly silenced...

Now after hearing this news I'm as sad a any other person here who loves the freedom Maemo/Meego stood for. I have the feeling MS will try their tested strategy to embrace, extend, extinguish and Nokia will just play along until doom stands at their doorstep...

Yet, I still have hope; if Nokia is able to remain the dominant partner in this "partnership" (as they should be, since the mobile phone market is yet still their market) they might be wise enough to design the hardware to be accessible through WP7 as well as Meego and let the end-users choose. This way they can have the two OSes compete against each other on the same platforms and will always have another way out if (or rather, when) things turn sour with MS.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Meego is going to be the answer to Nokia's commercial competitor ?

... did you even READ the statements put out by Nokia and Elop ?

reading comprehension not your strong point it seems

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

what will i buy next? Android probably.

i would still prefer to have a Meego device but after today's symphony of unmitigated cretinism i simply don't trust Nokia to execute it competently.

Meego no longer a platform = stupid stupid idea!
No QT on nokia Win7 phones = stupid stupid idea!

how does nokia manage to be this incompetent?

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

Of course it will be forgotten. Its officially a hobby.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

omg in a q&A i'm watching he said hardware designs originally meant for MeeGo will now be recycled and launched as WP7 phones.
but hes says there will still be the one MeeGo phone though.
thats all we needed to know to confirm they will completely dump meego after they take our money for the one device.

Re: Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 

@AAS picked up on it too. they are taking all the hard work the MeeGo hardware teams have done
http://twitter.com/#!/AAS/status/36055114884063232