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I would say to register a new domain is very cheap these days...

...am I right? :D

Don't forget plan t and x...

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Exactly my point.

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I dont know if it has been metioned before, but look at what happened to Microsoft’s previous strategic mobile partners:

http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-...bile-partners/

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... none of which can be practically used to control any informal private "understandings" that Ballmer may have with Elop in regards to such matters...

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I guess they didn't have confidence in their own product to compete with iOS and Android.

I don't know much about WM7. But I remember when N900 was only announced, WM7 was not miles away from release, at that one great gentlemen passed remark on Wm 6.5, that "it is the begenning of SLOW DEATH of Windows Mobile".

Few months before purchasing my N900 I was having a general talk about mobile application development and said the same phrase and my project manager replied that WM 6.5 is a Crap but WM7 will change the entire history of Windows Mobile

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...installed VS2010 today - nice IDE, great samples, huge documentation - nice.

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So let it happen let Nokia should die so everyone on the board can look like asshats for the rest or their lifes

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tell us something new.

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Thing is it has raised again wish is bad damn +1% since yestarday damn :-(

But there is other ways to change stuff.

Keep going and write cool apps for Qt. No one will loose even if Nokia abandon it at the end Qt will live!

http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/15/...The+Qt+Blog%29

Time to KILL WP7!!! the FIGHT BACK HAS STARTED!!!

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So what! Microsoft Elop sucks!

Btw. QtCreatort has also progressing fast forward atleast until IDIOT Elop started his FUD!

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there is still a risk of getting caught if something is officially announced and the opposite is executed...

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@tzsm98
@mikecomputing

Hes meeting with Intel today to talk about future of Meego
Source:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380269,00.asp

Also he said "You're going to see a bunch of highly exciting MeeGo announcements today."

^ thats where he is going to save his ***

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From their press release:
The question is whether it'll be multitasking for all apps or for some apps like Apple (probably the latter). From what I understand, the task switching you describe is already present, at least for key functions in the OS.

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MeeGo/Qt is only one year running (Feb 2010)!
Which other OS was completed in one year?

So best strategy would be to work on with Maemo/Qt as current platform for smartphones (improve it for non hackers ;-) ) and develop MeeGo onwards.

Symbian and WP7 are sinking turkeys.

Well, we all know that this would be the thing but MS-people like Elop and others never had striking ideas.

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@alcalde

see this page I responded to you last night on the multi tasking
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69892&page=6

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Nokia have actually started deleting negative comments from their FB page.

I made a comment about a statement they put:

Nokia ‎@Tan, we are looking forward, that is what our Microsoft partnership is all about! :-)

The comment I made was:

"Looking forward but abandoning the existing userbase". Which got deleted.

Go figure.

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1. The only other horse is Android and then the market will be one iPhone and everything else Android. WP7 is like KDE4.0 and Windows Mobile is like KDE 3.5. It's going to take a little bit to get everything that was in the older version into the new one but a rewrite had to be done (unlike the "Symbian is forever" approach Nokia had).

Windows sales dipped because manufacturers stopped making WM6.5 phones and not too many began making WP7 phones. With Nokia, that changes. Nokia sales also dipped in 2009 and 2010 because of the outdated appearance of its software. With WP7 that's also about to change. I just don't see the gloom and doom. Sure it's going to be tough battling Google and Apple, but not any tougher than it was before. The partnership of Nokia and Microsoft definitely makes it a three horse race.

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The two stupidest comment I ever seen on here was some kid asking if some one can make an app so the camera door on the N900 would slide open and this:

I'm going for a walk...

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Verizon doesnt't believe in nokia-microsoft alliance. They're right but when i read it statement i think that US are very arrogant

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/v...artnership-an/

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Quote from Engadget, to me this seems like true multi-tasking, but I don't have the facts.

Microsoft indicated it didn't previously allow for third-party multitasking due to battery life concerns, but those concerns have been mitigated -- somehow. We're not sure of the API-level details that's letting all this magic happen, but we'll look for those later. All we know right know is that it looks great and we can't wait to try it out for ourselves.

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According to Verizon, they see the three horse race as iOS, Android and Blackberry. WP7 isn't one of the ones they need.

The path to overcome even Blackberry will be hard at the moment until more enterprise solutions are in place for Microsoft/Nokia.

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There is no MeeGo. MeeGo does not exist in a deployable form at this time. They decided not to pin their hopes on something they've spent a fortune on and is still not in a saleable form after several years. Symbian is a fossil and not going to regain the smartphone market for them and can't compete against Android appearing on low-end devices. I read an article last evening about a phone that's waterproof, impact-resistant, has a solar panel on it, runs Android 2.2, and the manufacturer is hoping will sell for $100 in emerging markets like India. Symbian's not going to compete against Android 2.2 in the low-end market.

Nokia chose a new OS backed by the world's largest software developer that needs them as much as they need a new OS. They'll have the resources of Microsoft developing the OS while Nokia can concentrate on its hardware prowess. Nokia also gets to customize the OS and influence its future direction, which is like having your own OS except this one is ready to deploy and won't have R&D costs associated with it.

Nokia is rapidly losing marketshare. If they let their competitors get too big, the point will be reached where Nokia is too small to stop them. Just "seeing what will happen" with MeeGo would be suicide for the company. Remember Elop's burning platform analogy? That would be akin to waiting to see if the sprinklers turn on... the ones that you spend 3x market rate on and which failed to work every time you tested them before.

Elop was brought in to turn the company around and he's rightly decided from a business standpoint to de-emphasize or eliminate projects that have shown no return on the massive amounts of R&D money that were spent. What MeeGo's going through now is the result of the failure to deliver sooner, all the changes and restarts, merging with Moblin, etc. That's not Elop's fault. MeeGo's fate was sealed before he became CEO.

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Well i don't see any MeeGo annuncements today :o

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Soooo..... somehow Microsoft made Nokia lose market share for three years, then somehow made the board hire Elop, then made the board approve his plan... oh, and made the shareholders vote in that board in the first place? :confused: Why doesn't Microsoft just do the same Jedi mind trick on Google and Apple? Oh and HTC and Samsung and Motorola? When someone comes into a store and wants to buy some Motorola phones, a secret Microsoft agent could tell them, "These aren't the Droids you're looking for." ;)

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You've actually seen MeeGo? :confused:

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This got torn apart on a real tech site (Anandtech) for being filled with factual and logical errors, non sequiturs, etc.

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He just takes his talking points from maemo.org, that's all. :) Perhaps he was trying to win Apple's favor since they just got the iPhone. The crazy thing, as the article points out, is that Microsoft has just added CDMA support to WP7 so that it can run on Verizon and Sprint's networks.

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To understand why Nokia's frozen dead wood board defecated without bothering to unbuckle, Rescuing Nokia? A former exec has a radical plan - The Risku Manifesto is a must-read.

They had already done reorgs (deckchairs, Titanic, cue to theme music...) by shifting the masses of incompetents around but never had the guts to do the absolutely necessary heavy trimming. Think of the proteges!

The linked four-page article gives good background information on Nokia's paralyzing sickness. And some good suggestions on how to fix it.

Unfortunately the *****s on the board went and did the exact opposite: elop.

The Plan B guys are clearly influenced by The Risku Manifesto...

With the microsoftie dᴉck now holding the reins it will be extremely difficult to make effective changes (doesn't the Finnish gov't have some kind of oversight authority left?), but while the employees work on their resumes and learning MFC and the masses of middle managers are busy finding things to manage, the company should spin off two competent core groups (with minimum of management!) - one for designing *two* ultimate MeeGo phones (ARM-based!) and another for finishing the Qt tools *and* core apps - with only one instruction: DO IT!

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There is no three horse race. There are three big horses, iOS, Symbian and Android, and then there are a bunch of small ones, Blackberry, WebOS, Meego, WP, Bada, LiMo and possibly some others too.

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thats why they Microsoft need Nokia emplyers cause they now Microsoft is bad on embedded platform and powersave!

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Meego is based on Fedora which is a normal linux/x11 distro and since I've been a linux user since 1998 i can say I've seen meego lots of times. :D This is what people don't seem to get that as long as the system uses linux/x11 and comes with a c compiler it doesn't matter if it's called Maemo or Meego or something else. All gazillions of open source apps that already exists will run just fine with slight modifications to squeeze it into a smaller display.

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That's actually the same article I read; thanks. I think things are still a bit unclear. It does appear that if their schedule doesn't slip that Microsoft is going to make a lot of improvements this year to WP7, probably in time for the launch of the first Nokia WP7 phone. It's been generally positively reviewed for essentially a version 1.0 release and if it picks up pace this rapidly there's no way people can call it doomed or a failure, especially if it's sitting on Nokia hardware.

The demo IE9 for Windows Phone 7 support HTML5 and speed test with iPhone was also very impressive.

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I don't agree with them in that Blackberry ruled the smartphone world when that meant business users. Now general consumers are in the smartphone market and that's changed the requirements. Blackberry's tablet does look very impressive, but their first attempts at a general consumer smart phone not nearly as much.

You're correct about Blackberry's lead in the business market. As Microsoft is on most business desktops, products like their Exchange are peforming back-end duty in a lot of businesses and Microsoft has a huge number of developers I think they're in a good position to be able to compete on an enterprise solutions level in the long-run, though It'll be interesting to see if Microsoft can produce a phone OS that straddles both markets for smart phones or not.

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For MS, fines and litigation are part of doing business. The EU's fine of what was it $2M/day? is pocket change when they're making several tens of millions a day.

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alcalde, that's not even a valid opinion, it's just incorrect information you're spreading.
MeeGo was never under development for "several years", unless you're counting maemo and moblin for some reason.
MeeGo is perfectly deployable on tablets and possibly other devices like the in vehicle infotainment or whatever it's called. It's just the handset version that is lagging.
Also, you and Elop are both crazy if you think a Windows Mobile device can compete in emerging markets any time soon. It has a $30 license fee and much higher hardware requirements over symbian.
Do you not believe this guy?
http://blog.mardy.it/2011/02/committed-to-linux.html
"MeeGo is ready, it's not an R&D project: a MeeGo phone will be released"
Rich Green, Nokia CTO, speaking at MWC apparently called the meego device the n950 yesterday, and confirmed it will be a phone.
Intel has promised Medfield in production this year, and when MeeGo 1.2 is complete in 2.5 months, it will probably be the only OS properly optimized for their processor. Intel was doing most of the work for the core OS anyways, just take a look at the assigned bugs for 1.2 handset.

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**** man how many of these are there
http://nokiaplanz.com/
http://nokiaplanx.com/ LOL

oh... lots

http://nokiaplanj.com/nokia-wp7.jpg

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well, one more:

http://nokiaplan9.com/

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WP7 is not suitable for high end phones because it doesn't support multi-core architecture. All high-end phones published in Barcelona have dual-core app-CPU.
So WP7 is suitable only to low end smart phones. Plan B has sense. Nokia WP7 phones should be tried first just with couple of models in North America and see how it goes.

And what it comes to differentiation, all new Android high end phones published in Barcelona are very much different.

WP7 then. Elop said, Nokia won't change it much at all but leaves it how MS wants, because that would be the problem with Android-phones, everyone having different GUI.
Elop is full of BS, wants to differentiate but do not want to change anything in WP7 from the other WP7-phone-manufacturers (who all have also Android and are riding with two horses to see which is better in the long run.)

Elop's strategy is just plain stupid as stock markets show also.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02...s_are_missing/

If WP7's code is not thread-safe, it will take years to get multi-core support. Can Nokia really afford to wait that long?

Just plain stupid was the so called plan A. Elop should be fired as soon as possible.

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this became uber fun, just can't wait plan a to fail, board will have plenty of others to consider

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Already over a thousand followers at Twitter.
http://twitter.com/NokiaPlanB

Not that bad in only 24 hours. Go plan b! :D