Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

This is hilarious, since it is you who constantly insists on having the last word. I let people score points against my opinion all the time without responding. The reason so many threads you are in turn into brawls is that you don't have a good sense of when to stop fighting. I do.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Give it a rest now will you !.

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You too and ysss, go somewhere else and bug another as it is boring now.

Same 3 people always having something to say and all join in together.

All thanking eachothers posts and all long standing members that think they have the right to dictate.

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I'll do that when you take the hint and "give it a rest" yourself. For every pointless statement you say, I'll respond, how about that?

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We're not "dictating" anything? Do you even know the definition of the word? We're merely sharing a mutual view towards you and your activities on this forum. Isn't that what you want? You mentioned earlier that this forum _should_ be a like minded collective of individuals sharing a common interest. Well, you're our common interest in the absence of anything actually interesting. Because that is all this forum is now...

EDIT: "tag fags" - That one made me chuckle.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Goddamit, my timetravel agent seems to have ripped me off! :( I din't get to see any dramas when I was there last week. I had to spend most of time listening to Aristotle yak on about something called syentifyk method or something...

Anyway, as for useful tags, apart from the infamous atroll_uk and adick_uk tags (which like to many other threads), most of the tags only link to at-most 2 threads. So I don't know... Does anybody even use tags?

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

You lot stick together like your all lovers all 3 of you and i can take this way way back in my previous threads where the insults have always come from tswindell, ysss, geneven.

Dont tempt me ok just give it a rest now.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I have your solution.

Make tagging available to people with high post-to thanks ratio. Whether this is fixed or not, it's debatable. Keep it at 1:2 ratio or so.

On the funny side, I vote we keep ratio to just one over abill's ratio.

And no, it's not free speech. If insulting is against rules it's against rules on all mediums. What next, I can insult people via text files attached?

Frankly, IMO, we need this fixed because it is a nuissance. "Don't read it" is not an answer, because, frankly, I could tell you to go jump, and add a disclamer.

Disclamers don't excuse any behavior, as we all know. I understand that moderation here is hard already, but let (some of us) help.

Several options:
* allow people who can tag to untag.
* restrict tagging to better users.
* restrict tags (but terrorists win)
* implement a vote down window, where people can disagree with tags. 3 votes de-tags. I will take some time to clean it up.

OTOH, a similar problem is haunting the thanks system and the rating system, to a lesser degree.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

I am NOT the topic ok so please stay on topic and leave ME alone !!! all 3 of you ffs.

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Oh, I must have miss understood, I thought the topic was "Tagging Trolls" ...

Like I've already mentioned though, you asked for a communal discussion between like minded people and we're giving it to you. Now, about your contributions to the community, I don't know if you've done anything at all. I'm mainly working on/with MeeGo now-a-days, but if you're going to be a complete lame *** and blame me for you not releasing anything. Well that's just absurd. If you've got something to give you shouldn't let people stop you giving it. I don't let you stop me from contributing, even if I'd rather not give my contributions to someone as arrogant and seemingly self-absorbed as you come across to me. But there are far more people on this forum than just you, and luckily your insanity is pretty much just localised to you.

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This is the 4th post you have directed at ME so now i can safetly say when i have asked you 2 times now to leave me alone and stick to the thread topic that you are now bullying me and will not do as i ask.

THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY A MODERATOR NOW.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

This thread has been hijacked...

You guys want me to change the topic's name for you? Or could we get back on topic?

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Agreed. Still, no moderation has come forth. That's sad.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Yes, sorry for veering off topic, abill_uk started it ..

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I fully agree with you, except on the hard moderation part. We have plenty of popcorn threads just "popping" around, and while most of the bad-mouthing and pointless arguing stays limited to those threads, I've seem it occasionaly leak into productive threads, and no one seems to do anything.

I'm not sure if mods are simply trying to create space for such behaviour to vent itself out and die, or whether they're simply standing back.

I believe that allowing tags to be removed by others would work well, as well as letting common users trace tags back to their creators; maybe a tag history page would be ideal, for it would allow everyone to see who's adding and who's removing tags.

Alternatively, as the topic implies... Maybe getting a "Tag a thread with troll tags, lose tagging priviledges for two months" policy in place would be enough to keep trolls in check. Tags are a priviledge, given the way tag rights are granted, and as such, it's only fitting to have a priviledge removed if one abuses it.

Personally, I believe having tags become traceable, alone, should curb most of the bad-mouthing in itself; people often shy away from badmouthing when they can't get away unscathed.

Also, getting tags traced would be fiting justice: we will finally know who are the offenders. I guess some dread that possibility.

Finally, I agree with you that doing away with them altogether would be a loss; we should improve on the system, not do away with it simply because it's faulty.

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*sigh*

Matters not who started, all that matters is that everyone quits it and gets back on topic.

So... Please, will you?

Don't reply to this message, btw.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

It took two and a half pages of this off-topic discussion for you to realise that it was going off-topic. And you are as much to blame as the others for this, if you had ignored the posts against you it wouldn't have carried on, and if you want to respond you can do it privately as a PM, but if someone winds you up, the best thing to do is ignore it and move on, this is a lot easier to do online than some real life situations. This sort of off-topic arguing is far more disruptive than any tags. And back on topic, if you don't like them ignore them, I've never tagged any threads and they are so easy to ignore I can go through 10 pages of a thread and not notice a single tag.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

More proof and also off topic !.

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Why are you directing this at me? when the people trolling off topic are tswindell, ysss geneven and their followers !.

Whenever you get one you get them all and they are as i have said before the people behind the attacks trolling and bad behaviour.

READ IT FOR YOURSELF MAN stop directing posts at me ok.

I have asked, the OP has asked PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!!!!.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

@abill_uk, calm down. A bit of constructive criticism never hurt anyone.

Anyhow, if someone seriously wants the powers to be to take an action in regards to this subject, I'd recommend submitting a proposal to the community council. Whining about tags in two separate threads isn't really going to get attention you require.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

jesus christ kids behave , just leave it now

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Here is another suggestion for how to deal with inidviduals you believe are simply trolls.

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As has been pointed out in another topic, this is like stating that neither we should have rules prohibiting offending or trying to offend other members. What you're proposing is simply that we turn these forums into a free-for-all flamewar zone, after all, one should simply ignore offensive comments.

I don't know, but I think we should take a clear stance, here: Should we simply assume that bullying others, whether forum members or children, perhaps is no more than a means for self-expression? Is this really where the community stands?

Maybe the tagging system isn't an issue for you or for me, but truth is, it's useless now as it stands, if not for a means to bully others and make sarcastic anonymous remarks; why not go all the way and enable anonymous postings, as well, so that when I feel like trolling the hell out of a thread, I might as well do so without staining my own user name?

I think there's no clear distinction between the two scenarios.

And it seems a lot of people participate on the tagging jokes than they'd care to admit, given the number of "I don't care about tagging, but please allow for tag trolling to continue" responses... Hmm... If no one cares/reads them, it sure makes me wonder why that attitude is kept up.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Point taken.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Personally, I don't think this is a worthwhile issue to burden the mods and council members with. There is no real gain to be had by 'fixing' the unbroken tag system.

ps: if you bother to do a search, there are a couple of similar threads like this in the past; even one where a senior mod pondered about turning off the feature altogether.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Okay at the 4 who seem to be having a little argument/hissy fit with eachother.

How old are you? Because I'm 17 and reading your comments is actually cracking me up!

Now, you can all turn on me for what I am about to say. But tbh I cudnt give a crap. But how about you ALL STFU and stay on topic.

I DONT care who started it, I am asking you along with most of the other members on this forum to just stop having a go at eachother!

If somebody posts something you don't like just ignore it. If somebody posts something that isnt right in the sense of programming skills or development, then feel free to comment. That is after all what this forum was intended to be used for.

HELPING people. Not chidlishly arguing, im pretty sure you all have other more pressing matters to attend to in your life then acting like a bunch of squabbling 10 year olds...

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Hey man, I always believe that no matter how old you become, we must never lose sight of the 10 year old in us.

Also,

Bart: "Inside every hardened criminal beats the heart of a ten-year-old boy."
Lisa: "And vice versa."

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Lol yeah we shudnt lose sight of the fun 10 year old within :P

But the squabbling, pointless arguing over toys should stay behind us :P

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Forum tagging system isn't the issue here. It's not even remotely technical in nature.

When someone feels the need to write long public rants and derail (good) threads because they feel offended by someone else's post, comment or tag; because they feel they're not respected enough by other members; or other issues that are personal and subjective by nature...

...imho that's a (community) issue at play here, which will not go away if you disable the thread tag system.

And I think they should just use the 'report this' feature if the offensive post/person did not act in accordance to the forum rules, rather than try to rail up the community without familiarizing themselves with all the rules and regulations already in place to handle such issues.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

SO the 3 inevitables prove once again they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Read it all now and the OP must have had his own reasons to start this thread but i tell you all watch the 3 who ruin everything tswindell, ysss and geneven plus the followers, take note of this and use it in the future because when one starts they all jump in regardless.

As for me? i will enjoy the N900 for what it is i got no time for potrayal of bullying.

Tags or no tags to be honest i dont give a toss either way.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

First, let's try being mature here.

Second, it is IMPOSSIBLE for moderators to know about every single post or tag. We rely on community members to use the tools available to you and let us know what's going on. If you see an offense, REPORT IT. If I am informed of offensive tags, I REMOVE THEM.

People, it really is just that simple.

We have already endured the silly controversy over joke tags. We are not fascists here. We will not restrict your desire to play around. BUT-- tags that specificallty violate forum guidelines will be removed.

It really is just that simple.

Can we grow up and play nice now?

EDIT: I closed the other rant-- er, thread. One is enough, thanks.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

That's ********.

If you don't like the moderation here, abill_uk, seek life elsewhere.

We tolerate quite a bit from you.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Beautiful. Are you sure you're younger than the combatants here? ;)

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

Some may think that "users" are too incompetent to leave tags. And some others even think that the offenders that leave pathetic tags should be immediately banished to bring the forum back to order.

Actually I should say this is freedom that allows us to leave tags and replies as we like it. And I believe it should be never sacrificed.

Mods can apply some laws and cool down the heat.But still it doesn't mean that a forum is invulnerable to any kind of trolls.

So exercising patience might be the best advise.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

I guess you're talking about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50589 .

Personally, I still keep what I said there :D .

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Actually, this one :D

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=28

Different thread, same time period....

ps: boy the atmosphere was so different back then, huh? things were civil, respectful, good contributions all around...

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

I confess putting up the "holierthanthou"-tag Abill_uk. And truth is, it was another complaint of yourself, months ago, that brought the whole tag system to my attention. I find them quite entertaining at times. And after reading your rant on the use of the word "Sir" I find it hard not to read threads that you start or participate in.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

That will just serve to make the point about tag trolling, though, and further inflame a situation that I'm trying to defuse. Thanks for your understanding.

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 

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