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abill_uk

2011-05-26 05:16

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1015758)

First boot is always always slow due to it caching data for future startups. After letting it settle (may take many minutes) it helps

Could you tell me if you have the BME component code from Nokia?.

GreatGonzo

2011-05-26 05:50

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Thanks stskeeps!
After shutting down and starting again things are a lot more snappy.

pelago

2011-05-26 09:06

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1015758)

First boot is always always slow due to it caching data for future startups.

Have you considered some kind of on-screen indicator (e.g. "Preparing MeeGo...") while it's doing that, to prevent first impressions being bad?

erendorn

2011-05-26 09:08

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Mine seemed even more stable at third boot, but it forgot the wifi key in the process :/

Some questions:
- Is there a keyboard shortcut to go back to task manager? some programs (opera) does not have the screen button for that.
- How can I emulate 'Esc' (vi is much harder to use without that)?
- Where can I find a pic of the qwerty keyboard of the N900 because mine is azerty and I have to guess for the right keys (even funnier for punctuation)?

acrux

2011-05-26 09:42

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1015878)

Where can I find a pic of the qwerty keyboard of the N900 because mine is azerty and I have to guess for the right keys (even funnier for punctuation)?

Why not change the keyboard layout in X configuration file to match your hardware keyboard layout ;)

samipower

2011-05-26 10:00

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n9...900-de-sanity/

or

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n9...de-acceptance/

only the date???

nowhereman

2011-05-26 10:33

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by samipower (Post 1015920)

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n9...900-de-sanity/

or

http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n9...de-acceptance/

only the date???

I tried sanity, it works! only problems with keyboard

mikecomputing

2011-05-26 10:45

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 1014731)

Flashing it on to device is not eMMC. eMMC is eMMC, device is NAND ROM. It's too buggy at the moment to even consider flashing it onto NAND. It won't be usable for anyone, everything crashing every once and a while which not very nice. But the UI is nice.

I kind of disliked the idea of multi-tasking windows overlapping with the Home screen. I would want my homescreen to be just that for widgets and other stuff. But there is no way to get back to home screen after you opened an application.

Is it even possible flash on NAND? how big is the root partition?

I would mind to test on my third N900 cause the device is broken anyway (Wifi, sdcard slot and camera).

Bought it on Tradera.se(around $75) he said camera was broken but it was seems more broken than expected :-(

But it would be nice to see if a can atleast boot Meego on it. Just for fun maybe I can tweek to get the damn Wifi going again hehe.

lardman

2011-05-26 14:16

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

It's too big to fit onto NAND.

JohnLF

2011-05-26 15:50

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

If I recall correctly, it's a 4Gb install, so get a 4Gb or bigger SD card.

Stskeeps

2011-05-26 16:31

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1015760)

Could you tell me if you have the BME component code from Nokia?.

Yes, for ages. It is a redistributable binary. Charging is fully featured there.

Stskeeps

2011-05-26 16:32

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 1015875)

Have you considered some kind of on-screen indicator (e.g. "Preparing MeeGo...") while it's doing that, to prevent first impressions being bad?

Yes, smoke and mirrors like Maemo does it ;)

Fabry

2011-05-26 18:08

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1015944)

Is it even possible flash on NAND? how big is the root partition?

There is only one partition (and not two as maemo) with EXT4 FS and it needs 1.2-1,3GB
I have successful installed MeeGo 1.2 DE S.F. on eMMC partition large only 2.2GB

Fabry

2011-05-26 18:18

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Battery indicator problem.

I charge my batteries out of N900 so when battery is low of charge instead of pull on charger I shutdown phone and I swap the battery with a new and full charged battery.

Unfortunately MeeGo (and Nitdroid) still indicates that battery is near a full discharged one.
Only Maemo reports correctly a fully charged battery.

Why and solutions ?

shaddam

2011-05-26 19:55

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabry (Post 1016199)

i have the same problem =/ with a broken usb port i cannot install nitdroid with out the phone rebooting a few seconds after booting into nitdroid as a dead battery is reborted, so still just got maemo installed =/

gav

mikecomputing

2011-05-26 20:14

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lardman (Post 1016060)

It's too big to fit onto NAND.

well i meant root partition not all libs :) I meant would it be possible to split core libs on nand and the ui stuff on different parrtition (mmc or emmc)

just some thougts :P

flailingmonkey

2011-05-26 20:43

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by samipower (Post 1015920)

difference acceptance version and sanity version ??

According to the MeeGo.com wiki, the difference between acceptance and sanity is that sanity test is built from Trunk and the acceptance is built from Trunk:Testing

Source: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/ReleaseProcess

qwazix

2011-05-26 21:31

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1014781)

But ... but... don't you see the impossible nature of your request?

What you asked us to help you with was equivalent to asking how to fit 5 gallons of milk into a container than store only 3 gallons.

it's not impossible, the meego image has a lot of free space, it can be shrunk down to the size of the download. I don't know how except to install it and then shrink it with gparted, which is not good enough.

erendorn

2011-05-26 21:53

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by acrux (Post 1015905)

Why not change the keyboard layout in X configuration file to match your hardware keyboard layout ;)

I'm too lazy to do it but I agree it would be the most efficient way.

wmarone

2011-05-26 22:09

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1016311)

Prep your SD card and mount the filesystem. Then, mount the raw image using a loopback (you may need to use -o offset=512 to skip the partition table) and do:

sudo cp -a <mount dir>/* <sd card root>

Which will work. I did that to create a bootable SD card for my Nook Color port project.

Fabry

2011-05-26 23:23

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1016255)

well i meant root partition not all libs :) I meant would it be possible to split core libs on nand and the ui stuff on different parrtition (mmc or emmc)

just some thougts :P

Directories:

lib : 24,380KB
bin: 4,624KB
etc : 4,088KB
home : 118,488KB
opt : 1,280KB
sbin : 6,000KB
var : 26,768KB
usr/bin : 37,996KB
usr/include : 52KB
usr/kerberos : 80KB
usr/lib : 615,248KB
usr/libexec : 5,296KB
usr/local : 32KB
usr/sbin : 8,484KB
usr/share : 473,856KB
usr/src : 32KB
Other directories empty or disk usage not so relevant

MeeGo 1.2 DE (handset UX) total disk usage : 1,216,684KB

TMavica

2011-05-27 01:51

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1...t-armv7hl-n900

Latest version than SF one?
just release at 26/5

maxximuscool

2011-05-27 03:58

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1016413)

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1...t-armv7hl-n900

Latest version than SF one?
just release at 26/5

The version is only 1 day newer than the DE release.
I'm testing it now. DE sometimes working fast and okay but sometimes frigging slow.

20110517

Stskeeps

2011-05-27 04:12

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabry (Post 1016199)

Please file a bug on bugs.meego.com and assign to carsten@maemo.org

TMavica

2011-05-27 04:51

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 1016452)

The version is only 1 day newer than the DE release.
I'm testing it now. DE sometimes working fast and okay but sometimes frigging slow.

20110517

thanks your reply.
by the way, I need to remove kernel power 47 and install 46 to test it.

amjadk

2011-05-27 20:14

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

one thing i liked, the proximity sensor is so resposive when making a voice call, its even faster than galaxy s and nokia 5800.

cjp	2011-05-28 13:49

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

I still can't get a call out. The "calling" window's there forever and eventually it will ask me to close the app because its crashed.

Can I get a terminal read-out somehow or how do I file a bug about this?

xerxes2

2011-05-28 15:30

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Sadly I don't got a N900 (will get the next one) but am curious about this anyway. What are the plans for the handset gui? Will it be based on the tablet gui? When will it be fairly stable (not talking about apps)? If the next open Nokia device will be based on Omap3 will this work on that too?

mikecomputing

2011-05-28 16:04

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 1017454)

the plan was that Nokia should rewrite meego-handset ui using qt-components but codebase has been closed since january :mad:

then Intel came up with meego-ux instead so it seems the community prefer than one now cause Nokia doesnt seems too get the damn qt-components code open again.

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/31/well-be-right-back/

techprev is avaible for symbian I asked for meego but no good answer so far :(

except Kate said in april (in mailimglist) that it will "soon" be available....

shaddam

2011-05-28 22:24

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

see the problem with nokia is they will come up with a great product but take 2+ years to get it out and by that time something better has come along, seen them do it soo many times

gav

Texrat

2011-05-28 22:35

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by object (Post 1013912)

It's worth playing, but not worth using. UIs are half done or less, comparing to Maemo. It looks good, anyway, kinda, I think. I was thinking of making a video, but.. it looks more like a disappointment at this state. Daily use? I'd pick a T68 instead.

Functionality first.

cjp	2011-05-30 04:56

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

And indeed already now some functionality surpasses that of Maemo. For example screen rotation in terms of speed and apps adjusting to it. Even on class 4 microSDcards its really impressive.

MeeGo DE is coming out with GoogleCal support out of the box, something that is stillso and so on Maemo.

I think MeeGo DE shows great promise already now.

thashku

2011-05-30 20:17

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1017683)

Functionality first.

i am not so good at all these programing stuff as i am a biologist...still i gave a try to meego DE after going through all the posts and topics..
i found the ui intresting..
i would like to report some of the stuffs i missed to see in it
1.i tried phone call,it works. but incoming very low volume for it, i got into settings and i saw wallpaper theme and sounds...but inside the personalisation option there is no sounds option.
2.appling the preinstalled theme meego dont contrast,and hence writtings are not seen.
3.when the switch off/on button pressed nothing sprouts out as it is in maemo.
4.xterminal doesnt respond to root or any other commands given in maemo xterm.
5.no status bar; hence no easy access to profile, bluetooth and others as provided in maemo.
6. bluetooth device not found even though it is on and is visible.
7.keybord doesnt light up. that really is annoying..:D
over all i will rate meego DE as 2.5 out of 5..it has a future..but still there are things to be worked on.

Stskeeps

2011-05-31 03:13

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thashku (Post 1018897)

Thank you - can you report all these on bugs.meego.com - prefix with [DE] ?

x61	2011-05-31 04:33

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thashku (Post 1018897)

I am not a programmer and not a user of meego but I find your observations very useful. I am sure those that are fervently working on this fine piece will find your comments useful.

This is how TMO community should be.

Thanks.

bekkra

2011-05-31 05:43

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by keithzg (Post 1013826)

The speed of the microSDHC card used surely has a fair amount to do with speed as well. I've been eying the Patriot LX series Class 10 cards; they're fairly cheap ($22 CDN for 8GB). Has anyone tried different cards on the DE and noticed any improvement and/or any particularly decent cards?

Sadly the "class" rating is based on speed measurements that don't really correspond to the kind of random access of an OS running on such a card, so it's only a rough estimation of *probably* how fast the microSDHC cards would be for a MeeGo install.

I have two CL10 cards in use with the phone, one from A-data and one from Patriot. Neither of them gives even near acceptable loading times. If the responsiveness of the GUI is so dependent on the storage, I guess the best solution is to install MeeGo on the eMMC.

I am much impressed by the result so far, but not so impressed that I can let the DE edition replace my normal phone.

Contributing, then. Jeez, where to start ? There is so much to do. Important apps are needed then there is internationalization, responsiveness, like many others have already reported.

Nevertheless, I do not think that the CL10 cards make a big difference.

//

jerryfreak

2011-05-31 07:38

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bekkra (Post 1019154)

isnt emmc more or less class 6 speeds? i know it is slightly different in things like random writes vs sequential, yadda yadda, but i remember reading it somewhere (meego test reports?) and was surprised how slow n900 emmc was rated

acrux

2011-05-31 08:29

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

I have now played with the SF release for some time already.
Not as a daily use but some hours a day.
Also I have upgraded it every day with zypper using enabled repositories - is it a correct way or is it better to install a fresh daily image as they appear?
Some remarks in addition to known problems on the basis of yesterdays zypper update:
1. It is very easy to miss a call - probably due to lack of performance.
2. top reports that about 80% of CPU power is idle after power-up. From that X takes 10%. In comparison - maemo has 95% idle in the same conditions.
3. vkb does not appear at all
4. e-mail application is missing but is startable from the command line. It is possible to create an account and send&receive messages, but only inbox folder is shown - no sent etc.
5. kasvopus is started in full screen and I did not find a way to get out of it - had to reboot
6. in picture viewer it is impossible to scroll to the bottom row of thumbnails - they are hiding as soon as the finger is released from the screen.
7. it puts time 3 hours back - it seems to assume that the device is running UTC without time zone&DST (Europe/Tallinn here)
8. Opera is quite usable :)

And many thaks to the N900 meego DE team for their efforts :)

bekkra

2011-05-31 15:48

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryfreak (Post 1019221)

You can make a simple test to get a hunch on how various cards behave.

Code:

time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=20480

time dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=20480

This tells you almost nothing, but it works for getting an idea. On my system, the eMMC has roughly twice the speed as the CL10 cards that I have tested. The difference is naturally even more pronounced for writes.

So yes, the eMMC should still perform best.

//

GreatGonzo

2011-05-31 21:59

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)

There is a nice benchmark thread at http://whrl.pl/Rcx9Jw Class ratings are for sequential I/0 speeds.
Bottom line is that new cards are great for this (camera use) but horrible for random access. Older class 2/4 beat newer cards by a large margin.

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