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Soon enough, the new line will be, "This used to be talk.MAEMO.org..."

BTW:
Apple the world’s largest smartphone vendor, Samsung knocks Nokia from 2nd place
http://www.techjournalsouth.com/2011...rom-2nd-place/

Seems like Nokia is on a RAPID decline--worldwide.

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And you must have a constant hard-on because of it. Isn't that what you've been wanting all the time? Been reading your posts here and I can't really understand why you spend your time here if you practically only celebrate Nokia's decline. Haven't you been an android user for ages already?

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If Nokia are going to screw everyone yet again with the N9 as they did with the N900 then quite frankly they deserve to go down to stop everyone losing out all the time.

Only thing you can hope for is Elop and his WP device(s) because Nokia have shut down on everything else and yes that means EVERYTHING else.

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Given Windows Phone 7's track record so far, it's not optimistic. I suspect most of Microsoft's problems are probably mainly their history of screwing the industry (from customers to salespeople to vendors) repeatedly. Windows Phone 7 does seem like a FAR better device than its predecessors, in the Windows CE/Mobile lineage, but that might be cold comfort to everyone for whom they've ruined their brand. Nokia has managed to do similar brand-destroying mistakes and both of them joining together is unlikely to do anything to repair that no matter how good their product might end up being to some people.

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Yes this is very true to say because we all know the hatred even on here for Microsoft due to the very reasons you have said and there is the problem no matter what or how good the WP device is that many will boycott it because of the already exsisting hatred for MS.

People say Elop is doing the right thing and in some parts he is by getting out staff within Nokia that have failed Nokia in the past with software development BUT he seems to have put all his eggs in one basket with this joint venture and totally obliterated all of Nokia's os's from one end to the other.

Looking at it from a pure business perspective he has obvivously left himself nothing but WP and that is looking to be a fatal situation, relying on purely one os and nothing else.

No news from the Nokia stable of anything but WP so we are all in for a rough ride i think.

Incidently i have also noticed more and more Nokia outlets are shut down and still shutting down so it is not looking good is it, rather like what everyone seems to be saying ... The beggining of the end.

How far will this so called Nokia loyalty go i wonder !, let's see how many fanboys are going to be left ;).

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Haha, poor old Dan ;)

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Woe is me!

http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...odrama-cat.jpg

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This seems like the right thread for this as well:

In June, Elop offered an audience a glimpse of what looked like a Nokia N9 smartphone running Windows Phone. The N9, which currently runs a MeeGo operating system slated for mothballing by Nokia, married a curved 3.9-inch AMOLED (active-matrix organic LED) screen to a body engineered from a single piece of polycarbonate. The first Nokia devices running Windows Phone are slated to make their debut at the end of 2011.

News that Nokia will abandon its homegrown Symbian operating system, however, has led to a significant dip in Symbian handset sales, as customers flee the platform in favor of one that offers continuing support. That’s led to analyst pessimism about Nokia’s prospects over the next several quarters.

Source: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...r-Hope-719397/

They're hopping off toward other platforms as QUICKLY as possible to where they'll be SUPPORTED. Key word, there.

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naaaaar, you got that ALL wrong.
key word is e-c-o-s-y-s-t-e-m, remember?
¦-)))))))))))))))

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Elop pissed into Nokia's ecosystem and polluted it:

Let's be very clear, and first copy his exact words here. This is what Stephen Elop wrote about ecosystems and Nokia:

"The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren’t taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means we’re going to have to decide how we either build, catalyze or join an ecosystem."

While it all sounds great, a bizarre thing happened between February and today. According to dozens of executives we spoke with, Nokia developers have abandoned Nokia's platforms and even more alarmingly, are not embracing Microsoft's WP7 ecosystem instead.

Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-at-nokia.aspx

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Relax, look around. It is becoming more and more obvious. S40 = Harmattan.

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who would?

when android welcome people with open arms. for free.

nokia / microsoft still dream of turning 100m symbian users to windows phone

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Mango rox. Full head on attack :D Victory is near :)

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110...medium=twitter

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What the hell is Mango? Is it for real or is that link a joke? lol

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u know ericsson, there is ALREADY wp7 on the market right. for almost a year now

11+ models.

and iphone outsell all together x20.

even if u put all nokia phone sold last quarter and w7 sales together

iphone still outsell it. by few thousands handsets.

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Why is that obvious? Symbian was comprehensively outselling it's competitors right up until the moment Elop announced he was killing it.

MeeGo is visually as good as any mobile OS I've seen and, being a fully-leaded Linux distro, it's got real punching power. To suggest it can't compete with Android and iOS is frankly just silly.

Well, there you have it - there are tens of millions of people just like you and I who value the functionality and affordability of NOKIA's Symbian phones and were prepared to live with the compromise of S60. QtQuick had the potential to eliminate that short-coming too.

I love the look of the N9 too but Elop is deliberately limiting the availability of the contractual obligation phone to make sure it wont be a success.

Everything Elop says and does clearly suggests he is working in Microsoft's interest not NOKIA's.

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Did he select MeeGo, which is everything Symbian was, except far easier for developers, and even more open and even more standardized with the industry? In fact, MeeGo is by far the most open platform of any smartphone OS and ecosystems counting all the new ones today.

No. Stephen Elop selected the most restrictive, most limited, least successful, most anti-developer, most anti-carrier ecosystem out there. In Microsoft WP7, when considered as an ecosystem, Nokia was going backwards, and all benefits of the Microsoft-Nokia partnership would indeed help build a better ecosystem but not for Nokia.

All gains would go to Microsoft, using Nokia's assets and years of work, to fast-track the Microsoft OS and ecosystem to be more viable. This was not a decision made in the best interests of Nokia. Not if ecosystem is the decision criterion. The beneficiary of Elop's decision, if thinking ecosystems was all Microsoft. That is why we have to consider Stephen Elop the Microsoft Muppet. He is being controlled by his former boss Steve Ballmer, the Microsoft Muppet Master.

If you think ecosystems, Nokia has thrown away the strongest current platform, and instead of replacing it with an even better one, Nokia has instead selected the weakest ecosystem out there. As American saying goes, can they polish a turd and create a winner? I think this is key evidence of Stephen Elop's incompetence as a Nokia CEO and is another reason why he needs to be fired now, while it is still possible to reverse that decision, and save what is left of Nokia's decade-long work into building an open source based true multiparty ecosystem.

Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-at-nokia.aspx

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Also...
Anssi Vanjoki: “My hair stands on end” over Nokia’s fall

Vanjoki was a frontrunner for the Nokia CEO position after former chief Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo was ousted from the firm. However, the Nokia Board opted for ex-Microsoft exec Stephen Elop – who promptly led the company into the loving arms of Windows Phone 7 – and Vanjoki resigned, claiming “the time has come to seek new opportunities.”

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On the bright side - having Nokia around can be good, so the other bigger boys won't get complacent and repeat Nokia's case?

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Unfortunately these days it isn't just about the platform itself, but the ecosystem around it. This doesn't only mean availability of apps, but also things like browser detection all around the web.

This is why life is a bit hard for people on less popular mobile operating systems. I should know, my current devices are a Harmattan phone and a webOS tablet ;)

Of course, MeeGo has a great opportunity for building the ecosystem around it, but that needs devices developers (both app and web) want to target.

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Absolutely agree with this !.

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Right! Their new logo should be a punching bag and a new slogan, "Reminding people" :)

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you guys are all really, really dumb

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harmattan is webkit so i doubt it life its hard for you.

anything made with gecko and webkit can run everything.

specially browser like the one n9.

n9 got everything built in, even skype, wp7 lacks.

apps will come thanks to the symbian + QT synergy. couple with the ovi store it would be a really competitive ecosystem under nokia.

now with wp7 nokia give up all that, bets for a loosing platform Q2 sales over 11+models its just 1.5m

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No, you are! ;)

http://pleco.org/heh/internet_argument.jpg

New Nokia logo?
http://pinresgrp.com/images/wht-img-2.jpg

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Is Nokia's pain Apple's gain?

Apple has managed to clinch the number one position in the Q2 global smartphone market as Nokia's shipments declined to 16.7 million units, down from 24.2 million in the previous quarter.

According to IHS, Nokia posted the "worst performance" amongst leading smartphone brands in Q2 2011 as it faced fierce competition from Apple, Samsung and HTC.

"With the announcement of the transition in early 2011, Nokia eliminated any incentive for consumers and developers to buy into its existing smartphone products, which are based on its Symbian and MeeGo operating systems," said Teng.

Source: http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-feat...in-apples-gain

The Smartphone Wars: Nokia’s Suicide Note

All the old reasons a WP7 commitment was a bad idea remain problems under the new order. WP7 has bombed in its first quarter; there’s actual evidence that it’s not competitive. This means that the alliance does nothing to address Nokia’s historic weakness in the North American market. Then, too, it’s going to take time to get WP7 to market on Nokia hardware; one of their press releases describes 2011 and 2012 as “transition years”, a pretty strong hint that Nokia thinks both business units will have to struggle through a valley of death and shrinking Symbian sales before the new plan starts to bear fruit.

(Would an Android port take less time? Yes. Judging by current product cycle times for Android handsets, port time for the handset makers has to be bounded above by 90 days. My bet is that Android port time is actually down to two weeks and change. History matters; the Android codebase is designed to be ported in ways Microsoft is probably culturally incapable of even imagining.)

Source: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2931

Nokia 'considering move to Silicon Valley'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...silicon-valley

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from Jo Harlow, EVP smart devices, talks leadership in wireless
either she is high on gawd knows what or, even seen from the horse's stomach, it isn't quite that bad...

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She never did actually mention any achievements during those last 12 months, unless you want to count that said that they started to work with Microsoft. That's hardly an achievement. For one--how will Nokia's Windows Phone 7 phones be any different than anyone else's?

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Symbian enginers killed Meego in hope to save symbian instead
Mr Flop killed symbian

Now MrFlop saying WP7 will save Nokia.

personally I dont give a **** anymore both media and MrFlop are tottally out of control and all is spreading FUD. bussines as usual.

Media following what the people prefer atm (=android and IOS)
in some year when MicroNokia has brainwatched media and people
they pissing on android/ios and saying wp8 is sooo cool.

but I am not a follower so I will stick with something else...

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i'm myself a m@ke$$h!t foe of the 1st hr
(started installing SuSE and RedHat next to OS/2 2.1 back in '94...)
still, there is more to working together w/ m$ then merely going to ruin even if the rational may be to difficult to explain in a forum like this one (water point, apes dancing around & threatening each other...)
and the bone...

EDIT: edited URLs...

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You have to see things in perspective. Symbian users have always been a small bunch, 10-20 percent of total mobile phones combined. 80-90 percent of all mobile phone users have never had any interest in Symbian and all its quirks. Why should this suddenly change?

What has happened is that a new dumb phone has emerged in the form of iPhone and Android. A smartphone? maybe, but foremost it is a web and app phone.

WP will also be a web and app phone. The N9 is very different, it is more like a traditional Symbian smartphone than an app-phone, yet it certainly is a sleek web phone too. Then we have the new S40 and to some extent Bada, that are web and app phones as well as being traditional dumb phones.

But the lines are blurry. Android is more than just a web and app phone like the iPhone is. Symbian^3 is also a web and app phone in addition to the traditional Symbian smartphone. Even though 80-90 percent of users in US and EU are dumbphone users that would want an iPhone, Android or WP (or S40 or Bada or a traditional dumb phone), there still exist a 10-20 percent that actually want a real smartphone. A real smartphone like Symbian and Windows Mobile where real smartphones in a world dominated by dumbphones.

The N9 fills that void, the N8 fills that void, HP (palm) fills that void somewhat and some others. But not completely. Not like the N95 or communicators did or like good old HTC did. There is still plenty of room for some kick *** high end real smartphone, several of them in fact. The N9 and N8 is by far the best ones, but all Symbian^3 devices does it to some extent. What this means is that Symbian^3 will always have a 10-20% market share because no one else is out there exploiting that market share except the N9.

We will see more Harmattan devices, I am sure. Symbian is doomed though, in the long run. When Nokia and WP and S40 is getting momentum and things start to calm down, more Harmattan/MeeGo devices will come.

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White House Names a New Chief of Information Technology
(won't work unless you have a NYTimes account (for free)...

for reasons of our own, we despise m$
still, it is still considered a successful company that is putting some balsam on Stars & Stripes' hurt pride :D

and for NOKIA to have any chance to get a foot back into that market (unless, of course, AT&T nearly begs them for an exclusive again :confused:) working together w/ m$ seems to be a reasonable way of getting there.

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"I’m very proud of the relationship Nokia has established with Microsoft. We have genuine respect for each other and the relationship is very natural."

ROTFL! Seems like some Nokians like too be raped by Ballmer & CO

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yes but bigger market of Meego/Symbian could have happened if Nokia marketed new symbian and Meego and its apps better but they decided to get raped instead....

Actually I blame the marketing deparment right away. Ofcourse they dont agree and now they probadly get even more money when start marketing WP7. Means the only winner at Nokia is marketing deparmnent and the board and the rest are slave under Microsoft.

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Say what ever you all want to say about Nokia but i tell you all this..... the end of support from Nokia is the beggining of REAL progress for this community !.

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I don't know what numbers you are referring to, but here in Italy, which has a large percent use of mobile devices, the great majority of phones have been s40 and symbian s60.

Maybe you're referring to the US?

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