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ysss 2011-10-03 09:53
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
I don't think Meltemi immediately relates to 'melt me' nor would it conjure up images of 'melting cpu cores', since neither of those are common concerns of a mobile device nowadays anyhow.

It sounds kind of exotic and may trigger queries to find out more about its origin/context as it has numerous times in the threads here.

Certainly better than MeeGo or Tizen names....

Let's just hope Meltemi doesn't evolve and gets rebranded as Poo OS by Nokia's marketing geniuses.

danramos 2011-10-03 09:59
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1101708)
I don't think Meltemi immediately relates to 'melt me' nor would it conjure up images of 'melting cpu cores', since neither of those are common concerns of a mobile device nowadays anyhow.

It sounds kind of exotic and may trigger queries to find out more about its origin/context as it has numerous times in the threads here.

Certainly better than MeeGo or Tizen names....

Let's just hope Meltemi doesn't evolve and gets rebranded as Poo OS by Nokia's marketing geniuses.
http://encycl.opentopia.com/enimages...aster_6000.jpg

Dilmom: Why don't you call your product the Gruntmaster 6000?
Dilbert: What kind of product do you see when you imagine a Gruntmaster 6000?
Dilmom: Well it's a stripped-down version of the Gruntmaster 9000 of course. But it's software-upgradeable.

ysss 2011-10-03 10:02
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But that's all part of planned obsolescence. It's what makes the world goes 'round these days.

http://lovedocumentaries.com/best/wp...Conspiracy.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o

Rauha 2011-10-03 10:03
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1101708)


Certainly better than MeeGo or Tizen names....
True, but you set the bar so low that the comparison hardly matters.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1101708)
Let's just hope Meltemi doesn't evolve and gets rebranded as Poo OS by Nokia's marketing geniuses.
You shouldn't write stuff like this.

I can hear 'Oohh's coming from the former T-shirt designers in Nokia's London office. Perfect self-irony in a hipster kind of way. They'll start working on it once their book "Nokia leader in social marketing 2.0: How to ruin value effortlessly" is finished

Dave999 2011-10-03 10:16
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
How many emploies do nokia have and what are they all doing when Microsoft build the OS? Services and meltemi?

danramos 2011-10-03 10:54
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1101721)
How many emploies do nokia have and what are they all doing when Microsoft build the OS? Services and meltemi?
Q: How many Microsoft software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: None.. that's a Nokia hardware problem. :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1101715)
You shouldn't write stuff like this.

I can hear 'Oohh's coming from the former T-shirt designers in Nokia's London office. Perfect self-irony in a hipster kind of way. They'll start working on it once their book "Nokia leader in social marketing 2.0: How to ruin value effortlessly" is finished
It wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them thinking that it would be cute to name their new OS, Espoo... and then revel in how clever they are at naming it after Nokia's home city--despite how it sounds to everyone outside of Finland. :P

abbra 2011-10-03 11:04
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1101701)
You've clearly never read or watched Dilbert and therefore have no idea just how critical a project name really is for the customer to be impressed and interested. :)
Dogbert: As you probably know, all the good product names have been trademarked by companies who are competent.
Wally: Competent? How are we going to compete with that?
That's all fine and nice and I know these references and can give you much better relevant one -- http://youtu.be/w9evWShXtDY?t=4m51s where the ship is called "Pobeda" ("Victory") and becomes "beda" ("disaster").

Yet, you clearly miss the point of internal names and what is known publicly. (And no, a leak is not a public advertisement, much less a marketed product name).

mikecomputing 2011-10-03 11:29
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Next Nokia OS will be named after me

marxian 2011-10-03 11:40
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1101760)
Next Nokia OS will be named after me
Pissed OS? ;) Or P.O.S for short. :)

geneven 2011-10-03 11:58
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Whenever I see the name I keep hearing the shrieks of the Wicked Witch of the West in Wizard of Oz -- "I'm melting!"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/Movi...witchmelt.html

zimon 2011-10-03 12:14
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
The name will be OK, just like Meego is now, and Tizen will be too.
It's not about name why it may fail. Fragmentation will be the reason why they fail.
Linux Foundation should be stronger and bring different players together, and shouldn't accept excuses like for example what Debian&Ubuntu gives against them starting to use rpm and retire deb.

Dave999 2011-10-03 19:48
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Wi are so ****ed :D

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/

Or is it...

danramos 2011-10-03 19:56
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1102069)
Wi are so ****ed :D

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/

Or is it...
Well... so, it turned out to be a lot of hot air after all.

Dave999 2011-10-03 19:59
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Well, the source is not the best so WHO knows ;)

bbin 2011-10-03 20:32
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Meltemi is not WP7 -project. That register article gets it's guess wrong.

mrsellout 2011-10-03 21:14
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1102069)
Wi are so ****ed :D

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/

Or is it...
The source for that blog is http://dgui.wordpress.com/ who gets his source from the Register article back in April. Strangely he had a different opinion in May http://dgui.wordpress.com/2011/04/30...-meego-hinted/

For whatever purpose the WSJ were given a story to print, and to me at least, it makes sense. The memo from April quoted in the Register article and others, made a mention of staff from the Meego team moving to the meltemi project. That would be the Meego Harmattan team, that was previously the maemo fremantle team, and others previously.

Maybe it's for future disruptions, or maybe they've taken a look at maemo fremantle running on the n900, and the popularity amongst reviewers of meego harmattan on the n9, and thought, "hey if we get some low end hardware [as maybe the n900 can be considered in the modern market context] and stick this linux crap on, maybe we can shift some devices", and then leaked that info around the time that Tizen was announced.

mikecomputing 2011-10-03 21:46
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1102069)
Wi are so ****ed :D

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/

Or is it...
The Nokia Soap opera continues....

GeraldKo 2011-10-03 22:03
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1101769)
Whenever I see the name I keep hearing the shrieks of the Wicked Witch of the West in Wizard of Oz -- "I'm melting!"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/Movi...witchmelt.html
Since I first saw the name, that's what I've always heard too!

mr_jrt 2011-10-03 22:04
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1101771)
The name will be OK, just like Meego is now, and Tizen will be too.
It's not about name why it may fail. Fragmentation will be the reason why they fail.
Linux Foundation should be stronger and bring different players together, and shouldn't accept excuses like for example what Debian&Ubuntu gives against them starting to use rpm and retire deb.
...or stop taking the excuses the Redhat derivatives have for using RPMs and switch them to DEBs :)

zimon 2011-10-04 00:45
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_jrt (Post 1102123)
...or stop taking the excuses the Redhat derivatives have for using RPMs and switch them to DEBs :)
Why move to technically and secure wise worse package format? Those may not had been the reasons why LSB and LinuxFoundation chose RPM, but nowadays they should be much stronger arguments than the political one that decision has been made.

Technically they are equal, but aren't, RPM supports transactions.
Secure wise they are equal, but aren't, because in practice the embedded GPG signatures in RPM is a better security policy.
google for MITM attack vulnerability

don_falcone 2011-10-04 00:55
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1102161)
Why move to technically and secure wise worse package format? Those may not had been the reasons why LSB and LinuxFoundation chose RPM, but nowadays they should be much stronger arguments than the political one that decision has been made.

Technically they are equal, but aren't, RPM supports transactions.
Secure wise they are equal, but aren't, because in practice the embedded GPS signatures in RPM is a better security policy.
google for MITM attack vulnerability
With a very high probability you meant GPG, not GPS. Also, rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.

http://www.rpm.org/wiki/RpmLog

(You don't necessarily know what you talking about, do you?)

zimon 2011-10-04 01:04
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1102162)
With a very high probability you meant GPG, not GPS. Also, rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.

http://www.rpm.org/wiki/RpmLog

(You don't necessarily know what you talking about, do you?)
Yep, GPG, weird freudian.

Anyway, deb is inferior on those points.
The security reason should be strong enough.
google for MITM attack vulnerability

lma 2011-10-04 01:39
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1102069)
Wi are so ****ed :D

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/
That "article" is even more confused than the original Register one.

It probably is Linux-based (how else can it absorb former osso/maemo/meego staff?), but probably something terribly unexciting like S40 with a Linux kernel replacing the proprietary one + Qt drawing directly on a framebuffer.

Rugoz 2011-10-04 07:50
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definitely more confused than the original, citing the old register article which is completely confusing too and says contradicting things about meltemi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Je1CEPkUM

Helmuth 2011-10-04 09:03
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
I just stopped reading this thread... come on guys!

"Meltemi - what a silly name for a OS" - lowbrow discussion - WTF!
Guys, calm down, this is not the name of a OS, it's the name of a project or call it a version of a OS.

It's like Diablo, Fremantle, Harmattan and now Meltemi.

It's like fruits at Windows Phone or sweet desserts at Android. It's just a naming sheme for people unable to keep version numbering in their mind.

And after Nokia stepped back from MeeGo Meltemi is perhaps just called maemo again. Sadly only for cheap low end hardware. But perhaps more than we could expect from a brainless company.

zimon 2011-10-04 13:29
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1102162)
rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.
Well, you cannot perhaps separate the package format and the lowest level package handling program. (rpm and rpm, deb and dpkg)

rpm has transactions support well tested, widely and long time used. Actually I do not know if other rpm-distributions have enabled transactions support, but the code is there to take:
http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US...e/ch06s02.html
Quote:
To set up an RPM transaction, you don't have to do much. All you need to do is pass more than one RPM package on the rpm command line.

mece 2011-10-04 13:56
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Please PLEASE stop talking about rpm vs deb! That is NOT the topic of this thread!

zimon 2011-10-04 14:45
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mece (Post 1102482)
Please PLEASE stop talking about rpm vs deb! That is NOT the topic of this thread!
Well I do hope system security, authenticity and integrity are taken seriously in Meltemi also, and it will follow LSB and LinuxFoundation's recommendations and standards. Linux does not need more fragmentation problems it already has.

danramos 2011-10-06 04:40
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1102167)
Yep, GPG, weird freudian.

Anyway, deb is inferior on those points.
The security reason should be strong enough.
google for MITM attack vulnerability
I'm not sure you understand what a Freudian slip is. Did you LIKE the idea of a GPS signed RPM system, to misspeak it in place of GPG? Otherwise, if it was simply a slip--it's just that and not a Freudian slip.

Although, it would be interesting if they named it Freudian Linux. :) How would it make you feel, if they named it that? Please elaborate.

ossipena 2011-10-06 05:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1102074)
Well... so, it turned out to be a lot of hot air after all.
did you read the "article"?

all that is hot, is the poo in the writers pants when he/she realizes that "man, that was really bad logical deduction!"

e: the dilemma is pretty straight forward:

1) WSJ is right

2) gossip blog is right

pick one you prefer.

danramos 2011-10-06 05:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1103793)
did you read the "article"?

all that is hot, is the poo in the writers pants when he/she realizes that "man, that was really bad logical deduction!"

e: the dilemma is pretty straight forward:

1) WSJ is right

2) gossip blog is right

pick one you prefer.
You missed the preceding conversation about the "Maltemi" name origin.. and then overlooked it when you read my comment, didn't you?

mece 2011-10-06 06:06
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
A new article from yesterday regarding Meltemi. It's from The Register. Nothing really new in it though. Just "confirming" the WSJ rumor.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10...ltemi_for_s40/

ossipena 2011-10-06 06:10
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1103798)
You missed the preceding conversation about the "Maltemi" name origin.. and then overlooked it when you read my comment, didn't you?
I just can't make any logical connection between those...

gazza_d 2011-10-06 07:13
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
This is promising, but, and it's a big but, this is Nokia we are talking about here.

My take on the whole Elop strategy was that he was effectively outsourcing Nokia OS and software to Microsoft and Accenture, mainly cos, being honest, Nokia made amazing hardware, but struggled to deliver software and updates.

If Nokia do start pushing devices again with linux inside and swipe, on low to mid end phones, to compete with some of the lower end android devices, then that could be very exciting, especially if they are as hackable as the Maemo and Meego devices.

danramos 2011-10-06 07:57
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1103811)
I just can't make any logical connection between those...
Isn't the name "maltemi" supposed to be a Greek name for a wind?
http://gogreece.about.com/cs/weather/a/meltemiwind.htm

Hence my quip that, as it turns out, Maltemi is just a lot of hot air. :P That subject WAS brought up and explained several times before my posting.

ajalkane 2011-10-06 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mece (Post 1103809)
A new article from yesterday regarding Meltemi. It's from The Register. Nothing really new in it though. Just "confirming" the WSJ rumor.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10...ltemi_for_s40/
The article states: The April memo referred to Meltemi as a platform for “rich Featurephones” and stated that development will be centered in Ulm, Germany.

For more rumor mongering, see @luovanto's tweet:
"I'm in Ulm, a small city in German sporting the worlds tallest church. And where the future is being made. Off to Beijing in friday."

bbin 2011-10-06 09:21
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1103909)
The article states: The April memo referred to Meltemi as a platform for “rich Featurephones” and stated that development will be centered in Ulm, Germany.

For more rumor mongering, see @luovanto's tweet:
"I'm in Ulm, a small city in German sporting the worlds tallest church. And where the future is being made. Off to Beijing in friday."
Rich featurephones? Wonder what that means. Smartphones without "ecosystem"?

lma 2011-10-06 09:29
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
If they're putting Qt on it, there's an "ecosystem".

bbin 2011-10-06 09:41
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1103921)
If they're putting Qt on it, there's an "ecosystem".
True that. They just need to freaking communicate the future of Qt lot better! Developers have no clear idea of the future of Qt.

Idiotic to keep Qt's future in secrecy.

jo21 2011-10-06 09:43
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbin (Post 1103915)
Rich featurephones? Wonder what that means. Smartphones without "ecosystem"?
because the ecosystem its doing miracles for windows phone and it puny 1.5m sales?


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