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Stonik 2011-10-02 21:18
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101369)
So we know that Peter and Quim might not be the people to ask to get this done, but whom do we ask to get this started? Or at least to get some traction?
Is Sebastian Nyström still working as the head of Nokia's MeeGo team (if it still exists)?

As they've sent free dev kits to coders, many of the Harmattan applications are being announced in TMO. So people keep coming to the forum, check out the new software but can't buy the device? If Nokia isn't willing to help, maybe there's a retailer somewhere to give us a hand?

ceroberts75 2011-10-02 21:30
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i just found a company in chicago that said they would have a shipment from germany on wed.

16= 924.00
64= 1024.00

i think the USD conversion is something like 749.00 so plus tax and shipping, seems like only about a 100.00usd bump.


im not sure i want to spend 1000 on it yet....i did that for a couple of my 9 e90's. its a damned amount for sure.


why so darn expensive for our devices. i can get triumphs for 200 without activation.

slai 2011-10-02 21:34
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Id so clearly spend that ammount on a 64gb magenta. Course, Im only paying 700 for my 16gb. But still.

gerbick 2011-10-02 21:35
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1101394)
send a email to stephen.elop@nokia.com and make clear your intrests and atleast hope he gives some damn info!

(yes I am serious and I know its not his board at the end, but would be intresting to see if he willing to answer whom?
Followed your advice. Sent the following... it's long.

Quote:
Greetings Mr. Elop:

I'm unfortunately sure this e-mail will invariably not be replied to mostly because you are a very busy individual; understandably so for the CEO of Nokia. However if anything, I wanted to not leave any stone unturned in my quest to represent not only my own wishes and whims but also the statements of quite a few individuals at the Talk.Maemo.Org (TMO hereon) community that Nokia has in the past and presently sponsors - home of where the majority of the 300+ Nokia N950 owners have memberships either originally or have connections to in one form or another.

Now, to business... due to the extremely limited production of the Nokia N950, we were forced to wait to for the Nokia N9. A lot of us are located in the US, avid users that currently utilize Qt/QML and while we're learning new tools - I have prior Microsoft .NET development experience and currently own a Dell Venue Pro and awaiting a Nokia Windows Phone 7 (WP7 hereon) device, my attention is currently on the Nokia N9. As it stands, vendors like Amazon and Expansys still have "coming soon" on their pre-order pages, but it is now shipping in many countries, including (soon) Mexico.

I have connections there, can easily fly there. But the question is now around what would happen if I needed warranty work. Where would I send it? Who would perform work on it? How could I reliably even purchase one just in case I didn't or couldn't take a trip to Mexico. And without a Canadian or US date; I am left in the dark yet still part of a big community that has had prior successes with obtaining information and/or devices from Nokia.

Thus I provide my proposal (finally).

Why not have a TMO purchase program? A device purchasing program where we could purchase directly from Nokia the Nokia N9 device finish up our development and/or transition to .NET as well as just for personal usage the Nokia N9. Sell to us directly - a tentative count has netted 30+ people that would buy the device that responded to me directly, there's another 100+ people that would purchase one directly. There's no longer a Nokia USA or Nokia Canada eCommerce store; so we'd gladly pay for shipping from wherever to ensure we get a proper device from Nokia without having to hand over our money in faith to a third party that might cheat us out of our money, sell us a counterfeit device or ultimately, we give all of our money to anybody but the originator of the device; in this case, all the money would go to Nokia.

I also propose that we set up just one individual, international support center. That would negate the need to train people in the US or Canada for support. You'd be selling to a captive audience that wants the device, know their way around the MeeGo/Harmattan environment and we're quite self-sustaining (read: we will answer the questions amongst us, provide the solutions to our peers as we've done with the Nokia N900 and Maemo 5).

Forgive the length of this e-mail, but if anything, I'm offering my proposal not only for myself - if you were to say "Sure, send me the money right now, I'll send you one" I'd do it post haste - but I also speak for an entire community that are in areas where we'd be willing to travel to different countries just to purchase one whereas right now, we cannot. We'd rather give Nokia the money and not pay a premium with Expansys or deal with even more limited quantities via Amazon. We're Nokia fans, some for over a decade.

We'd rather see Nokia prevail. And we're also developers that are transitioning our tools and skills and to do so, we require devices. We're also users that are seeking multiple experiences before we settle down to just one experience. And if anything, we're a group of individuals that are saying "take our money". You have a captive audience at TMO and we are willing to pay for the experience(s) that Nokia will deliver. Harmattan, MeeGo and WP7. But limiting our access should not be part of the process.

Please consider a grass roots, TMO community device purchase program. We understand the risks, we hope that you will be able to source a method that will cost you very little time and manpower, and I hope that you consider this fully. Thank you in advance.

I hope this message finds you well. Take care and good luck with all of your future endeavors.
I linked to this thread as well. Will update accordingly.

What kills me... I'd even develop for it. But I got turned down... meh, it happens.

gerbick 2011-10-02 21:39
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonik (Post 1101425)
Is Sebastian Nyström still working as the head of Nokia's MeeGo team (if it still exists)?

As they've sent free dev kits to coders, many of the Harmattan applications are being announced in TMO. So people keep coming to the forum, check out the new software but can't buy the device? If Nokia isn't willing to help, maybe there's a retailer somewhere to give us a hand?
I've barked up so many trees about obtaining anything MeeGo/Harmattan related that I'm starting to believe that nobody has any devices to give, none they are willing to sell or honestly... they've stopped caring.

mikecomputing 2011-10-02 21:41
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101441)
Followed your advice. Sent the following... it's long.



I linked to this thread as well. Will update accordingly.

What kills me... I'd even develop for it. But I got turned down... meh, it happens.
OMG! you hint him about TMO and "nokia sponsored project" now you make sure he closes down this site when he see all rumors and whining if he comes here and read those threads of hate :O

slai 2011-10-02 21:41
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I love that email, Gerbick. Very nice. Keep us posted.

gerbick 2011-10-02 21:50
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1101443)
OMG! you hint him about TMO and "nokia sponsored project" now you make sure he closes down this site when he see all rumors and whining if he comes here and read those threads of hate.
Then folks should be more civil and less outrageous with their claims, now shouldn't they?

I'm honestly trying to resolve a solution for like 30+ people. But if anything, if I could help out this entire forum just a little bit, then I will feel better if things are truly finished here come December 2012 when Nokia pulls their funding.

I think I've found a way for me to hopefully give back to this great community. Let's just hope that I'm successful.

marxian 2011-10-02 21:59
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Dear Mr Gerbick,

Thanks for your email.

tl;dr

Buy a Windows Phone device.

Best regards,

Stephen Elop

Sent from my Windows Phone.

danramos 2011-10-02 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1100996)
This Elop has something to answer too for sure in my opinion.

He is going to lose a hell of a lot of Nokia fans over this.
What do you mean, "going?"

cincibluer6 2011-10-02 23:06
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Heck, I got to the end of the thread and forgot to post before. I already contacted @gerbick earlier but if anybody gets a rolling list going of people interested in something like this, feel free to add me.

Funny how I'd have a better shot at getting a genie lamp than an N9 it seems.

scapegoat845 2011-10-03 00:04
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101369)
Already updated in the "N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]" thread, but it looks like Nokia Mexico has informed my connection that they may not offer any warranty help/assistance to any USA/Canada customers for N9's purchased in Mexico.

It's not confirmed official, but it's close enough to official. I will follow up shortly.

My problem with this is that Nokia were to set up a direct community purchase program, this wouldn't be an issue. Give us one global place to send our phones just in case we need help/assistance/warranty work. I'm sure you'd see that folks would send it on in with us paying for the shipment to the service center(s).

So we know that Peter and Quim might not be the people to ask to get this done, but whom do we ask to get this started? Or at least to get some traction?

I need a plan B for not only myself, but for quite a few other folks.
What about that 196,742 square foot building they just purchased last year in California ? Perfect US support center..... just sayin

ScourgeV 2011-10-03 00:13
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I'd definitely enjoy a black 64gb version....if it all possible....haha

gerbick 2011-10-03 00:55
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1101496)
What about that 196,742 square foot building they just purchased last year in California ? Perfect US support center..... just sayin
Would be perfect, but I'm willing to bet that's set aside for devices sold in this region. That currently excludes the Nokia N9.

abill_uk 2011-10-03 01:01
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Gerbick did you get a price from Mexico yet for both versions of the N9?.

vivmak 2011-10-03 01:07
Re: [REQUEST] Community purchase plan for the Nokia N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1100910)
No offense, but... Do we know you? Does anybody that we recognize know this person personally?

good point, I don't know you, you don't know me, how do we establish some trust?
through ebay?

I will list the items up and usually it takes 24 hrs for it to be publicly available but I will send the item number stratight away to everyone and that way it can be purchased with ebay buyer protection program, ofcourse there is a listing fee.

Also, to be clear I am not making any money out of this, this is just to thank the community of what they have delivered for n900.

AND OFCOURSE all this if only I can get it from a distributor I was talking to earlier in the year for other phones. Other option of-course is the retailers.

scapegoat845 2011-10-03 01:08
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Instead of fighting a losing battle wit Nokia, could we approach some of the operators here in the US ? If they subsidize it, Nokia will have to honor the warranty.... Just a thought

abill_uk 2011-10-03 01:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vivmak (Post 1101516)
good point, I don't know you, you don't know me, how do we establish some trust?
through ebay?

I will list the items up and usually it takes 24 hrs for it to be publicly available but I will send the item number stratight away to everyone and that way it can be purchased with ebay buyer protection program, ofcourse there is a listing fee.

Also, to be clear I am not making any money out of this, this is just to thank the community of what they have delivered for n900.

AND OFCOURSE all this if only I can get it from a distributor I was talking to earlier in the year for other phones. Other option of-course is the retailers.
That is exactly what i will be doing IF i have access to any more than the 20 i have on order.

uvatbc 2011-10-03 01:09
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gerbick, I really appreciate what you're doing here.
I'm not capable of frequent travel into Mexico or any of the other countries that the N9 is released in, otherwise I'd have followed in your example.
Your email is simple and conveys what I've been meaning to say without any of the hurtful and hateful sentiments towards Mr Elop.

Thanks again for you've done dude.

gerbick 2011-10-03 01:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1101515)
Gerbick did you get a price from Mexico yet for both versions of the N9?.
No. In multiple threads, I have been rather forthcoming about what I know, as I find it out.

And the final price for the 64gb as well as the discount possible on the 16gb has not been confirmed in a solid enough manner for me to call it "confirmed" and final as of yet unfortunately.

I have a round number for now, which sounds great is on par with what's being quoted in most areas around the world - albeit just a bit lower by like 5-9% than some others.

When I find out more, I promise you and the others that I will alert those that are curious. The people that have sent me PM's, I will give them details and likelihoods about what to do next.

That's all I have right now, unfortunately.

gerbick 2011-10-03 01:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1101517)
Instead of fighting a losing battle wit Nokia, could we approach some of the operators here in the US ? If they subsidize it, Nokia will have to honor the warranty.... Just a thought
I used to do work for Cingular, knew some high up people. Already inquired about a month back.

The response... while not exactly an emphatic "No" was more along the lines of "Nokia can be problematic to deal with at times..." (almost verbatim)

Not saying that the people I had talked to had the ability to make it happen, but they're in places to see if it could.

gerbick 2011-10-03 01:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vivmak (Post 1101516)
good point, I don't know you, you don't know me, how do we establish some trust?
through ebay?
I like your plan. I might have to nick that for my own usage.

I do have many other thoughts, but if any of us are successful at potentially grabbing a few phones at a decent price, then we should be upfront about it either here or via some other means.

scapegoat845 2011-10-03 01:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101525)
I used to do work for Cingular, knew some high up people. Already inquired about a month back.

The response... while not exactly an emphatic "No" was more along the lines of "Nokia can be problematic to deal with at times..." (almost verbatim)

Not saying that the people I had talked to had the ability to make it happen, but they're in places to see if it could.
Nice. Well, i do remember Nokia's "It's up to the carriers" spiel. Another well written email to At&t or even T-mobile wouldn't hurt. Maybe even some kind of petition ? I know, sounds crazy. Just trying to help. If there's anything i can do, let me know....

gerbick 2011-10-03 01:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1101534)
Nice. Well, i do remember Nokia's "It's up to the carriers" spiel. Another well written email to At&t or even T-mobile wouldn't hurt. Maybe even some kind of petition ? I know, sounds crazy. Just trying to help. If there's anything i can do, let me know....
Hell. I could do that. Any pointers on making that last e-mail I posted any better, less long or anything? I'll gladly try it out.

scapegoat845 2011-10-03 01:42
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101536)
Hell. I could do that. Any pointers on making that last e-mail I posted any better, less long or anything? I'll gladly try it out.
Actually thought that last email was very well written. Just leave out the WP7 stuff. :D

abill_uk 2011-10-03 01:43
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Your doing more than a great job Gerbick and for sure i know first hand what a bunch of lieing bastards Nokia are so i do not envy you.... GOOD LUCK.

vittoriob4 2011-10-03 02:23
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Ironic...a while back(almost 2 months ago) I asked people about an idea for me bringing some N9's from Europe because I used to live over there(have connection at Nokia store) and I was going to visit my family there. No extra cost and I was going to put my $$$ down .... response??? none

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=172

gerbick 2011-10-03 02:40
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Originally Posted by vittoriob4 (Post 1101545)
Ironic...a while back(almost 2 months ago) I asked people about an idea for me bringing some N9's from Europe because I used to live over there(have connection at Nokia store) and I was going to visit my family there. No extra cost and I was going to put my $$$ down .... response??? none

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=172
I honestly didn't see it.

If you have the capacity, let people know. What country are you located in, btw?

vittoriob4 2011-10-03 03:24
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Green Bay Packers Country :) Milwaukee... Going to Poland with my wife again in Dec... the stakes are high
but seriously, love this community...people are sarcastic at times yet helpful

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101548)
I honestly didn't see it.

If you have the capacity, let people know. What country are you located in, btw?

vittoriob4 2011-10-03 03:33
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Lucky for us exhange rate went up and as for right now 16Gb costs around 680 - 700 bucks...still not cheap, but cheaper than those ebay rip off's

The more I buy the better discount I get...obviously we are not talking about 100's... maybe 20ish for starters ?? is it worth it...we shall see

gerbick 2011-10-03 03:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vittoriob4 (Post 1101563)
Lucky for us exhange rate went up and as for right now 16Gb costs around 680 - 700 bucks...still not cheap, but cheaper than those ebay rip off's

The more I buy the better discount I get...obviously we are not talking about 100's... maybe 20ish for starters ?? is it worth it...we shall see
I do believe that you've become our possible Plan B.

I'll update the list shortly - there's been a few more people.

Ken-Young 2011-10-03 04:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 1101437)
i just found a company in chicago that said they would have a shipment from germany on wed.

16= 924.00
64= 1024.00

i think the USD conversion is something like 749.00 so plus tax and shipping, seems like only about a 100.00usd bump.


im not sure i want to spend 1000 on it yet....i did that for a couple of my 9 e90's. its a damned amount for sure.


why so darn expensive for our devices. i can get triumphs for 200 without activation.
Would you be willing to reveal the name of that company?

warrentaye 2011-10-03 04:39
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heh at this rate the n9 will be worth it by just being a rare collectors item here in the US lol.

I hope something works out though.

gerbick 2011-10-03 07:03
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I wonder how many people with the Nokia N950 would get behind something like this. Would they not really care since they're already covered?

Just wondering...

uvatbc 2011-10-03 07:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101627)
I wonder how many people with the Nokia N950 would get behind something like this. Would they not really care since they're already covered?

Just wondering...
Not sure I understand the question. Do you want to know if n950 users will also want an n9?

At least one does: me.

gerbick 2011-10-03 07:14
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Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 1101631)
Not sure I understand the question. Do you want to know if n950 users will also want an n9?

At least one does: me.
Yep. That was the inquiry. Thanks for the answer.

danramos 2011-10-03 08:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101513)
Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1101496)
What about that 196,742 square foot building they just purchased last year in California ? Perfect US support center..... just sayin
Would be perfect, but I'm willing to bet that's set aside for devices sold in this region. That currently excludes the Nokia N9.
Isn't that an office? Offices aren't necessarily used for support. They might be there for purely managerial, engineering and other purposes and have NOTHING to do with Maemo/MeeGo or even support at all. Having an office in a country doesn't necessarily mean you're going to do anything within that country either.

Take, for instance, the fact that they have this shiny new office.. but Nokia has NO presence to customers in the US (no stores, not even kiosks... nothing). Why would you assume they will have anything to do with customers from that office?

Texrat 2011-10-03 08:27
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Nokia could be creating artificial shortages to enhance demand. Maybe they're learning from Nintendo...

Texrat 2011-10-03 08:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1101627)
I wonder how many people with the Nokia N950 would get behind something like this. Would they not really care since they're already covered?

Just wondering...
I have an N950, and still want an N9 so bad I can taste it.

travla 2011-10-03 08:33
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Just saw the first lot of adds for the N9 in Melbourne, Australia. I may be wrong, but it was during Prime Time, and quite long. I'm not sure that much effort (and most likely expense) would be put in if there were limited units (i.e. < 100,000), but stranger things have happened with Nokia lately.

@Texrat, agree with you regarding your comments about generating demand. It's in Nokia's interest to not say anything, the fear of missing out on the next shiny new gadget is a powerful marketing tool.


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