maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   MeeGo / Harmattan (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45)
-   -   Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80075)

ibrakalifa 2012-03-08 15:43

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
too short, no no no, its killed, bad bad bad movement from nokia, booooooo

BlinkThinks 2012-03-08 15:53

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
I should have typed much faster because I got that notification just when I hit 'submit'... The next time I tried to create a new BUG, the form wasn't showing anymore...

I mean, what's the big rush? Why close the bug tracker Nokia? Booo!

I will try to bring this up in the Nokia App Workshop I'm attending next week....

This is ........ :(

Jordi 2012-03-08 15:55

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Do we know how many people at Nokia are still working for the N9?

I think Jalyst mentionned somewere that the staff was reduced recently by 70%

wolke 2012-03-08 16:10

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
there are no words to express my feelings. that are more than four letters long.

mariusmssj 2012-03-08 16:28

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
it didn't say they are closing forever and it did hint it might come back so no need to speculate

wolke 2012-03-08 16:35

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1176603)
it didn't say they are closing forever and it did hint it might come back so no need to speculate

sorry, you misunderstood him. the quote you are referring to is:
Quote:

The Harmattan Bugzilla will remain as read only for some time.
however, he meant that they wouldnt turn off the bugtracker completely just yet.

its not speculation to say that theyre through with us:
Quote:

we have identified the major issues to be addressed in the upcoming software updates beyond the PR1.2 release

vi_ 2012-03-08 16:52

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 

jalyst 2012-03-08 18:00

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Gaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need an image that sums up my profound exasperation, marxian?

jalyst 2012-03-08 18:04

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
I need a hero

BlinkThinks 2012-03-08 18:13

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1176643)
I need a hero

Why did Tina Turner just came in to my mind?!? Gaaah! :D


Holy molasses and gin tonic! Please let this be temporary :(

marxian 2012-03-08 18:21

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1176642)
Gaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need an image that sums up my profound exasperation, marxian?

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/454-fffuuu.gif

jalyst 2012-03-08 18:33

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Yup. That about does it. TY, oddly I feel a tad bit better now.

pycage 2012-03-08 20:13

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1176588)
Do we know how many people at Nokia are still working for the N9?

I think Jalyst mentionned somewere that the staff was reduced recently by 70%

That number could be about right and is further decreasing with people leaving Nokia or going to Meltemi. N9 is transferred to maintenance state. Nokia's former research center in Helsinki, where Maemo was born, is being closed by the end of this month. End of an era. :(

billranton 2012-03-08 21:06

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1176719)
That number could be about right and is further decreasing with people leaving Nokia or going to Meltemi. N9 is transferred to maintenance state. Nokia's former research center in Helsinki, where Maemo was born, is being closed by the end of this month. End of an era. :(

:(

Nice things. We can't have them.

gabriel9 2012-03-08 21:36

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1176719)
That number could be about right and is further decreasing with people leaving Nokia or going to Meltemi. N9 is transferred to maintenance state. Nokia's former research center in Helsinki, where Maemo was born, is being closed by the end of this month. End of an era. :(

Do you know for sure it is closing? Maybe they will open it again. :/

impact 2012-03-08 21:46

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Let's face it, the public bug tracker, while being a great idea, has been deteriorating lately. It would take a lot of effort to keep it clean, since a lot of people were using it as a discussion/feedback forum.

It was nice while it lasted. My sincere thanks to the people that made it possible.

vi_ 2012-03-08 22:03

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impact (Post 1176769)
Let's face it, the public bug tracker, while being a great idea, has been deteriorating lately. It would take a lot of effort to keep it clean, since a lot of people were using it as a discussion/feedback forum.

It was nice while it lasted. My sincere thanks to the people that made it possible.

Exactly, the bug tracker was doomed the moment it was made public. It has been spammed to death with 'y u no make whatsapp 4 n9????' and other gay sh1t. It is a BUG TRACKER not a feature requester.

Who HONESTLY thought the N9 would be supported?

The real depressing thing is, all the devs got courted away with free shiny hardware. All the forum old schoolers have been chased away by endless N9 related noob spam.

Maemo is done.

Now I just want Nemo + powerkernel + fcam + hildon + xterm. But like so much Nokia sponsered junk. It will never be.

Ken-Young 2012-03-08 22:06

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1176513)
And it's closed for new bugs!

Hey - Elop promised us Nokia would continue to use Meego for “future disruption in mobile ecosystem”. Another promise kept!

slaapliedje 2012-03-09 05:24

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Is it horrible that my initial thoughts of this were "Well screw them, we'll just open our own bugzilla and have it send emails to the guys at Nokia that work on these things!"

But then maybe we should just create our own anyhow and then hope they'll have the decency to look at it.

There was a nasty bug with the new folders of PR1.2 that I wanted to report, but I was never sure exactly how to or even what exactly caused the problem.

The issue was that at one point I was creating a 'Games' folder, and it totally screwed up my menu, so that I could only scroll down so far then it would bounce back up, I couldn't get to any launcher icons past where the corrupted icon was.

I tried looking through all the forums for a similar issue, but couldn't find one, so was going to report a bug, but never got around to it...

Lame that they closed it!

slaapliedje

Zoxir 2012-03-09 05:47

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1176719)
That number could be about right and is further decreasing with people leaving Nokia or going to Meltemi. N9 is transferred to maintenance state. Nokia's former research center in Helsinki, where Maemo was born, is being closed by the end of this month. End of an era. :(

This is the saddest news we've got in a while.

SamGan 2012-03-09 08:22

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slaapliedje (Post 1176895)

There was a nasty bug with the new folders of PR1.2 that I wanted to report, but I was never sure exactly how to or even what exactly caused the problem.

The issue was that at one point I was creating a 'Games' folder, and it totally screwed up my menu, so that I could only scroll down so far then it would bounce back up, I couldn't get to any launcher icons past where the corrupted icon was.

I tried looking through all the forums for a similar issue, but couldn't find one, so was going to report a bug, but never got around to it...

Lame that they closed it!

slaapliedje

This isn't a bug of PR1.2. You uninstalled home screen background settings after upgrading to PR1.2 which broke the menu.

user/zero 2012-03-09 09:09

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
...
........
............

And thus went 7 (or more?) years of mobile research down the drain. So, I guess Maemo really was ahead of its time. But yeah, it's clear that it was never even given a chance to become anything else than a research project. Thank you for everything, Kallasvuo and Elop.

I have never thought that the day I said this would come, but, what the heck, Nokia? Samsung really deserves to overtake you.

jalyst 2012-03-09 09:22

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slaapliedje (Post 1176895)
Is it horrible that my initial thoughts of this were "Well screw them, we'll just open our own bugzilla and have it send emails to the guys at Nokia that work on these things!"

But then maybe we should just create our own anyhow and then hope they'll have the decency to look at it.

There was a nasty bug with the new folders of PR1.2 that I wanted to report, but I was never sure exactly how to or even what exactly caused the problem.

The issue was that at one point I was creating a 'Games' folder, and it totally screwed up my menu, so that I could only scroll down so far then it would bounce back up, I couldn't get to any launcher icons past where the corrupted icon was.

I tried looking through all the forums for a similar issue, but couldn't find one, so was going to report a bug, but never got around to it...

Lame that they closed it!

slaapliedje

Good idea, we need a community tracker, like there was for Maemo5x.
I think that infrastructure is already at FMC IIRC....
Of course it's unlikely we'll get Nokia to look at much of it...
But at least we'll have one central place where everything's properly documented.
And that will facilitate the community to do what they can, where they can.

sony123 2012-03-09 09:29

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Further acceleration of next billion strategy?

EDIT: I think there is little chance for CSSU because Nokia will not open any Harmattan closed components in the near future... due to sharing with meltemi

bmate 2012-03-09 12:10

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Aww man too bad, but at least the bugs that are reported will be fixed. It's better than nothing.

I don't regret my purchase though, I'm gonna ware my N9 down until it breaks.

jaeezzy 2012-03-09 15:25

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Also, guys I found swiping up to answer/reject calls painfully stuttering. I had this since the dawn of time but have just reported a bug for it as it never went away despite couple firmware updates. Actually I reported it quite before they posted the news of not taking any more bugs. Please vote if you have the same thing here. Hopefully they look at it coz I have 2 reports still not assigned and its been sitting for a while now. Thanks.

bmate 2012-03-09 15:33

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Yup I wanted to file a report for that too, but kept putting it off(and look what happened).

pycage 2012-03-10 11:41

Re: FYI Nokia made us a new public bugtracker, so use it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gabriel9 (Post 1176762)
Do you know for sure it is closing? Maybe they will open it again. :/

That's what I was told by the Harmattan people working there.

But in the end, it's just closing a building where only a bunch of people were working anyway. People are just moving offices elsewhere, so this is not really tragic. But the idea of closing down Maemo's birthplace is sad.

mikecomputing 2012-03-10 12:32

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
I Know I should shut up and peoople are pissed about me being negative or a "troll".

But Seriously: People have to realise N9 will not get big updates anyway so I can undestand if the small people behind Harmattan closing the bugtracker because of lack of time.

There already is lots of feature requests that is not even possible to fix/improve with the small team behind Harmattan. Still I see people who want us to vote for theyr bugs. So IMHO! We should all make sure IMPORTANT bugs get attention instead crying about closed bugtracker or feature requests that never will appear.

You have to realise the facts: Only the most IMPORTANT bugs will be fixed in feature updates.

I also saw alot of complaints in the announcement. But dont blame the few people behind Harmattan for Nokias decisions. Not they'r fault.

And sending messages to Elop about "open the bugtracker again" is IMHO just plain ridicilous. Again the team will not have any time to FIX those bugs/improvements anyway.

Btw... If you havent got an N9 yet go get one before its to late. Theyr ridicilous lowpriced in my country now even if we only get small improvements its well worth the money. Because I take that as N9 is soon abandoned :( And this is the last cool most open device I know of as todays date :(

gerbick 2012-03-10 12:54

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
I'm not sure why folks would say that it's not a big deal. It means another staff and resource reduction around Harmattan and that's a big deal.

impact 2012-03-10 18:59

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by user/zero (Post 1176948)
...
........
............

And thus went 7 (or more?) years of mobile research down the drain. So, I guess Maemo really was ahead of its time. But yeah, it's clear that it was never even given a chance to become anything else than a research project. Thank you for everything, Kallasvuo and Elop.

I have never thought that the day I said this would come, but, what the heck, Nokia? Samsung really deserves to overtake you.

It won't really die, the spirit of Maemo/Meego will live again one day in Meltemi. Hopefully.

shmerl 2012-03-13 19:29

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impact (Post 1177546)
It won't really die, the spirit of Maemo/Meego will live again one day in Meltemi. Hopefully.

In Mer rather which already exists. Meltemi is a vaporware so far.

specc 2012-03-13 20:30

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1179008)
In Mer rather which already exists. Meltemi is a vaporware so far.

Meltemi is coming this year. It will effectively change all of Nokias future S40 dumbphones to smartphones.

Maybe it will be too little too late. But maybe it will be exactly what is needed (Qt on top of a small footprint Linux). It may attract lots of developers. Seeing how Nokia has managed things in the recent past, I would say they are more likely to screw it up than succeed though. But then again, Nokias s40 department has always been run extremely well compared with Symbian/Maemo and the core technology behind Meltemi is dead solid and infinitely scalable.

Nokia does lots of strange things, but compared with the competitors, they always make some very interesting and inspiring products, even if those products are doomed (Maemo, Meego, Symbian devices).

Interesting times ahead :cool:

jalyst 2012-03-13 20:36

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1179045)
and the core technology behind Meltemi is dead solid and infinitely scalable.

Mostly agreed with you -that's a 1st! ;)
I don't suppose you could elaborate upon what's quoted above?
I just want to see if what you know squares with what I've read.

specc 2012-03-13 21:01

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1179053)
Mostly agreed with you -that's a 1st! ;)
I don't suppose you could elaborate upon what's quoted above?
I just want to see if what you know squares with what I've read.

Why the secrecy? What have you read?

jalyst 2012-03-13 21:05

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1179059)
Why the secrecy? What have you read?

Huh? No secrecy, I only know some superficial stuff at this stage & thought you may know a bit more.
Based on what you said it sounds like you may, hence why I asked, no agenda, simple/honest question.

Kozzi 2012-03-13 21:14

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
imagine, suddenly Meltemi is just renamed harmattan.

impact 2012-03-13 21:18

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Well I can dream, can't I? Cheap, rugged, meltemi-based candybar phone with the 808's camera thrown in... mhmmm, lovely. :)

impact 2012-03-13 21:18

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1179065)
imagine, suddenly Meltemi is just renamed harmattan.

That's fine with me. I'd rather avoid Android. :D

specc 2012-03-13 23:11

Re: Nokia closed their bug tracker but you can still vote and comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by impact (Post 1179071)
That's fine with me. I'd rather avoid Android. :D

Meltemi has more in common with Android than Maemo apparently. According to rumors it is a extensively stripped down Linux core with little in common with Maemo/Meego.

One can only wait and see, and hope for the best, whatever that may be.


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:46.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8