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Helmuth 2012-01-30 17:21
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
In my opinion it should be very simple:
  • Sell WP7 devices to all the guys who want one (there are a lot out there, especially in the U.S.A.)
  • Sell N9 like devices to all the guys who want one

They are simply not equally and the target audience is very different. The Nokia board seems to don't understand!

Why should Nokia lose all customers who don't want to buy a iPhone like device to the Android manufactures?

mikecomputing 2012-01-30 17:23
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1157030)
Actually these were Konttori's words to me quite recently:



MP = Mobile Phone, it's the division that Meltemi sits underneath.
I don't know if he's exaggerating or not, but I certainly hope not.
Even so, it's unlikely we'll get Maemo-based smartphones geared for the high-end.
If we're lucky there might eventually be one that creeps into smartphone hw territory.
MP!?

AFAIK Konttori is working on lowlevel driver stuff for WP now? Or do I remember totally wrong? :O

jalyst 2012-01-30 18:10
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
He told me MP. I originally heard the same thing as you too.
I guess he can be in MP, and still be doing WP work.

RFS-81 2012-01-30 18:41
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1157847)
What are you taking about? Linux isn't a general purpose OS, it's a kernel.
Linux-based Operating Systems come in "many" shapes and sizes...
The Linux kernel (there's many flavors) has been used in embedded platforms, & small form-factor devices since it's inception.
Yes, but OS using only the linux kernel would lose most of the benefits of having Linux in the first place. So in practice it will be "stuck" with much more than just the kernel.

Rauha 2012-01-31 10:26
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Intomobile's review of Lumia 800 is pretty epic. Not so much as a review, but as a look at what happened at Nokia during the past couple of years and what the the new Nokia is like.

Nokia Lumia 800: Microsoft doesn’t have to buy Nokia, they already did

"And that pretty much sums up Nokia. With the Lumia 800 they essentially slapped together some parts from China in a body that was designed for the company’s last flagship device and then loaded up Microsoft’s software on it. With the next version of Windows Phone a little bit more effort will be put on making it look like it actually had some design decisions made by the folks sitting in Finland, but really, all ******** aside, Nokia isn’t in charge of their future anymore.

Microsoft is."

jaripi 2012-01-31 10:29
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rauha (Post 1158294)
intomobile's review of lumia 800 is pretty epic. Not so much as a review, but as a look at what happened at nokia during the past couple of years and what the the new nokia is like.

nokia lumia 800: Microsoft doesn’t have to buy nokia, they already did

"and that pretty much sums up nokia. With the lumia 800 they essentially slapped together some parts from china in a body that was designed for the company’s last flagship device and then loaded up microsoft’s software on it. With the next version of windows phone a little bit more effort will be put on making it look like it actually had some design decisions made by the folks sitting in finland, but really, all ******** aside, nokia isn’t in charge of their future anymore.

microsoft is."
can i ask how much is wp sales from nokia turnover ? :)

jalyst 2012-02-03 19:26
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFS-81 (Post 1158020)
Yes, but OS using only the linux kernel would lose most of the benefits of having Linux in the first place.
So in practice it will be "stuck" with much more than just the kernel.
It's still unclear to me what you're trying to suggest.
What is your point exactly?

RFS-81 2012-02-03 19:56
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1160072)
It's still unclear to me what you're trying to suggest.
What is your point exactly?
The point was, that in my understanding "Linux kernel" alone won't do much if you want to create a Linux based smart phone OS. You will need GNU libs and a load of other surrounding software. So you are, to some extent, stuck with whatever legacy (good or bad) that stuff brings with it.

jalyst 2012-02-03 20:38
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Well of course. That's not necessarily an inherently bad thing.
And every "OS" has legacy stuff tied into libraries etc.

panjgoori 2012-02-04 09:30
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Worth a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/nokia_symbian/

Quota from the article
Quote:
Exclusive Nokia is said to be hastening the demise of its legacy Symbian platform, cancelling the development of all but one new Symbian-based device. Although Nokia Belle updates will continue to ship to existing customers, only one new model – a successor to the N8 high-end camera phone – will reach the market, the Register understands.
Quote:
“We now believe that we will sell fewer Symbian devices than we previously anticipated,” said Elop.
symbian was still profitable for Nokia. one stupid announcement by Mr. Elop ruined everything.

pycage 2012-02-04 17:39
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1157987)
MP!?

AFAIK Konttori is working on lowlevel driver stuff for WP now? Or do I remember totally wrong? :O
IIRC Konttori has not joined MP/Meltemi because he would have had to move to another city.

jalyst 2012-02-04 19:19
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1160510)
IIRC Konttori has not joined MP/Meltemi because he would have had to move to another city.
You're partially right, but he did join MP:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...30#post1157030

Zoxir 2012-02-04 19:43
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1160292)
Worth a read: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/nokia_symbian/

Quota from the article




symbian was still profitable for Nokia. one stupid announcement by Mr. Elop ruined everything.
They probably want to put out more WP devices so they can reach the sales of the N9 and announce it proudly on Q3 "Lumia surpassed meego next step bada" :D

jschan 2012-02-06 06:48
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
I haven't looked through it myself, but according to a Canalys report, Nokia shipped 600k n9 phones last quarter.

Report: 600,000 Nokia N9 Devices Shipped in Q4 2011

gosh 2012-02-06 12:35
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jschan (Post 1161108)
I haven't looked through it myself, but according to a Canalys report, Nokia shipped 600k n9 phones last quarter.

Report: 600,000 Nokia N9 Devices Shipped in Q4 2011
If that was true then other numbers would match, they don't

rm42 2012-02-08 15:24
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Go for cheap sweat-shop laborers?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...yam_2012-02-08

zimon 2012-02-08 15:34
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boycot Nokia, everywhere.

rm42 2012-02-08 16:03
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
I don't know what the conditions of the Nokia factory in China are. But, if it is anything like others there I don't want anything to do with it.

http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Only...ticle18428.htm

pycage 2012-02-08 18:29
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1162193)
boycot Nokia, everywhere.
Oh yes, torture yourself for somebody else's stupidity. Nokia wouldn't care about your boycott. They'd laugh at it at best.

jschan 2012-02-09 22:33
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jschan (Post 1156123)
It's debatable whether the customized MeeGo experience is a step in the right direction after Maemo, but it's nice that the path may not be dead altogether. We may still see upgrades (or possible hold-me-overs) in the future.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sbock (Post 1156136)
No, I don't think so. Get over it: It's dead, Jim...
I refuse to believe that, and in keeping true to my state of denial, I noticed another tidbit in a Slashgear article about running ICS on a Nokia N9:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Davies from SlashGear
Development of the OS [MeeGo] has now been pushed over into Tizen, while Nokia has said it will use its own work on MeeGo back in the R&D labs to tinker with next-gen devices.

Mentalist Traceur 2012-02-09 22:46
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1162296)
Oh yes, torture yourself for somebody else's stupidity. Nokia wouldn't care about your boycott. They'd laugh at it at best.
You can say that about any boycott anywhere, with about as much relevance in all situations - minimal. Any large organization will laugh at a small boycott by random people. But if Nokia pisses off enough people until they start to abandon Nokia products, Nokia will feel it. And, quiet frankly, Nokia could afford to laugh at customer loss a few years ago, maybe, but certainly not now. They can only take losses for so many years in a row.

Now, I agree with the first sentence about it being stupid to torture yourself for somebody else's stupidity, but I don't see how boycotting Nokia at this point is torturing yourself...

kureyon 2012-02-11 05:56
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1162187)
Go for cheap sweat-shop laborers?
It makes sense for them to move closer to where they're actually still selling phones in quantity.

Zoxir 2012-02-11 06:43
Re: Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1162296)
Oh yes, torture yourself for somebody else's stupidity. Nokia wouldn't care about your boycott. They'd laugh at it at best.
Dude GoDaddy is the largest domain name registrar it's bigger then then all his other competitors but when it lost an insignificant amount of domains due to the SOPA thing they pulled their support in like days. Flops Nokia is in no place to laugh at anyone


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