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patlak 2012-02-01 03:57
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158722)
Sorry you're wrong. In a press release, Steve said Nokia has the royalty of changing Windows Phone's looks and features...something no other OEM is allowed to do.
So why don't they do it then? Bit suspicious don't you think?

Any contribution of Nokia to WP in the near future, will stay under WP and be used by other OEMs (just like Nokia). You think MS is not gonna get Nokia's bells and whistles?

One thing that buzzes me, how much longer will HTC and Samsung produce WP devices?

ibrakalifa 2012-02-01 04:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1158718)
Are you aware that the SoC is not the only/main component driving price?
i know for sure, are you think its fair enough the price of single core with 2years old is almost same with newest chipset dualcore??, sorry just asking, :)

ste-phan 2012-02-01 04:59
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As someone that should know first hand what has been done to NOT promote and sell the Maemo platform any further, I wonder if Elop in retrospect considers the N9 a success.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/meego-n9/
You can't blame the knowledgeable retail sales people either for any success Nokia N9 enjoys.

I used to have such a Zippo lighter saying something like: built your product with integrity and quality and success will follow :)

Does that old saying still work?

Anyway here are the facts:

-Nokia N9 announcement: N9 will be the last MeeGo phone (at that point did he understand difference between Maemo and MeeGo - if so could be wordplay?)

-Lumia 800 launch: Windows Phone 7 is plan A and plan B, even if these phones are no immediate success (Nokia Netherlands),

-Present day: After abandoning the platform, Nokia is standing on an island watching the sunset on a beach... next to a triple meltdown.

It can act like all is well and the future looks beautiful and full of plans.

But with its DNA forever damaged, illness will follow and if it survives it will live on like a hideous mutant despised by those who ones loved it.

There are Nokia orphans living in a cave somewhere safe.. but are they willing to save the bloodline after being cruelly rejected?

Kangal 2012-02-01 05:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1158734)
So why don't they do it then? Bit suspicious don't you think?

Any contribution of Nokia to WP in the near future, will stay under WP and be used by other OEMs (just like Nokia). You think MS is not gonna get Nokia's bells and whistles?

One thing that buzzes me, how much longer will HTC and Samsung produce WP devices?
Yeah, you're quite right.
Well I reackon if they could've, they should've, and here's what they should've done upon launch:

1) Launch Earlier (October 2011)
2) Cheaper (Undercut the iPhone by $150)
3) Differentiating Factor (SwipeUI with the Windows Capacitive keys becoming on-screen)
4) Two versions (small 3.7inch with 1600mAh) and (large 4.7inch with 1800mAh)
5) No software issues (battery drain, gps etc everything working perfectly)
6) Beefier Specs (1.5GHz Snapdragon, 700MB RAM, 64GB NAND)
7) Current Features (LTE, NFC, Carl Zeiss, Gyro, Barometre, GLONASS)
8) Display (WVGA with RGB-AMOLED ClearBlack)

What it got right:
1) Marketing
2) Design
3) Almost faultless

In fact, I reckon they would've quadrupled the amount of sales of N9 they received and at roughly the same cost, which would've saved their Q4 results and put a spin on the company's degradation! (and public image)

ossipena 2012-02-01 05:22
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by _David_ (Post 1158439)
Long article by Tomi Ahonen panning Nokia and WP. His intro doesn't really do it justice:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...oss-plane.html

Sorry if you've seen it already.
Tomi Ahonen, aka Dr Doom for Nokia.

His first rants were a bit hilarious, these are only sad.

He must be really poor also when looking at the quality of his web pages...
http://www.tomiahonen.com/

patlak 2012-02-01 05:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158751)
Yeah, you're quite right.
Well I reackon if they could've, they should've, and here's what they should've done upon launch:

1) Launch Earlier (October 2011)
2) Cheaper (Undercut the iPhone by $150)
3) Differentiating Factor (SwipeUI with the Windows Capacitive keys becoming on-screen)
4) Two versions (small 3.7inch with 1600mAh) and (large 4.7inch with 1800mAh)
5) No software issues (battery drain, gps etc everything working perfectly)
6) Beefier Specs (1.5GHz Snapdragon, 700MB RAM, 64GB NAND)
7) Current Features (LTE, NFC, Carl Zeiss, Gyro, Barometre, GLONASS)
8) Display (WVGA with RGB-AMOLED ClearBlack)

What it got right:
1) Marketing
2) Design
3) Almost faultless

In fact, I reckon they would've quadrupled the amount of sales of N9 they received and at roughly the same cost, which would've saved their Q4 results and put a spin on the company's degradation! (and public image)
Let me rephrase your logic: "I am a boy, but I could've been a girl!" Going by your logic, Nokia could have been the one launching the GS2, Note, etc and not Samsung. They could've even supported the N9, sell the N950 and made profit. There is a lot of "if," but question is, where is the light shining from?

Elop is in a MS prison shower. Instead of having an open mind, he's having an open butt.

Dave999 2012-02-01 05:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1158712)
Sorry again for my opinion : Android is a joke. The media allows and praises an OS with so many missing features in 2012 : no real multitasking, no screenshot (before Android 4), no dependencies (oh, it is fine to have 4 Python's installed, which one independent and without common modules...), no privacy (you have to sell your soul to Google), etc.

Ok, Android is better than Windows Phone (well, at least), it is more open than iOS. That's all.

Tablets with Android/iOS are a waste of hardware.
I guess you have no clue about galaxy note? I would prefer another device with maemo, still using my n900 but have several new phones since n900. But the note do most things alot faster than n900.

slashd0t 2012-02-01 05:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xRobby (Post 1158498)
I really don't understand why Nokia doesn't just release windows phones and N9 in different quarters. For example Lumia in Q4, meego in Q2. Would sort out a % of the 'conflicting competition between themselves.
1 word.. MOLE.

SamGan 2012-02-01 06:09
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Somebody in Nokia should write an open letter to Elop and say, "Hey Elop, your WP7 platform is burning!"

droll 2012-02-01 06:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lavo (Post 1158703)
Spot on, although the iPhone still doesn't have NFC or micro SD support (and its sales haven't been damaged because of it ;) ).

I think it was the Windows moniker that was the big killer. No one wants to be associated with it. Let's face it, Windows is not cool. I thought Microsoft would have realised that after the big success Xbox is. They should have created an all new name for it, because its clearly not a business phone (to leverage off the Windows desktop). No Skype yet?? What are they doing??
now imagine if they were to release a xbox branded phone. ;) of course the top folks at redmond won't do that because their reasoning is the xbox audience is smaller than the phone audience.

elemental 2012-02-01 06:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1158764)
Somebody in Nokia should write an open letter to Elop and say, "Hey Elop, your WP7 platform is burning!"
Maybe somebody from us, the admin,mod would gather votes from people registered in this forum and will send them to the Nokia. How many of maemo lovers are there ? Let them hear us. Come on, can we make something useful from this conversation?

misterc 2012-02-01 10:08
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158751)
[...]

1) Launch Earlier (October 2011)
2) Cheaper (Undercut the iPhone by $150)
3) Differentiating Factor (SwipeUI with the Windows Capacitive keys becoming on-screen)
4) Two versions (small 3.7inch with 1600mAh) and (large 4.7inch with 1800mAh)
5) No software issues (battery drain, gps etc everything working perfectly)
6) Beefier Specs (1.5GHz Snapdragon, 700MB RAM, 64GB NAND)
7) Current Features (LTE, NFC, Carl Zeiss, Gyro, Barometre, GLONASS)
8) Display (WVGA with RGB-AMOLED ClearBlack)

[...]
that's the world according to... S.Bllamer, right?

here is how the world really looks...
1) three months earlier, WP was acknowledged a sunk platform (why bother?)
2) why? we want FAT margins too!
3) NOOOOOO WAY! everything has to look the same way, m$ way
4) you mean... the client versus the server? that's what we have two versions for, right?
5) we never have (software) issues! it is ALWAYS the fault of the manufacturer; especially when their products work perfectly with other software’s!
6) see previous point! those sloppy minions NEVER get it right, do they?
7) oooo, come on! let others bother with that! we just do things the old way, how we know how to do it :o
8) Yes, yes, very good point. display IS important, isn't it?

soooo sorry, the world is not UP to your standards :rolleyes:

Kangal 2012-02-01 11:46
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158751)
[...]

1 Launch Earlier - October 2011
2 Cheaper - Undercut the iPhone by $150
3 Differentiating Factor - SwipeUI and on-screen Windows keys
4 Two models - small 3.7inch with 1600mAh and large 4.7inch with 1800mAh
5 No software issues - battery drain, gps etc etc everything working perfectly
6 Beefier Specs - 1.5GHz Snapdragon, 700MB RAM, 64GB NAND
7 Current Features - LTE, NFC, Carl Zeiss, Gyro, Barometre, GLONASS
8 Display - WVGA with RGB-AMOLED ClearBlack

[...]
Lol misterc you troll. It's not like those criteria are impossible to meet, let alone hard.

In fact, if I was Nokia and I was burning away my two strategic ecosystems for M$...in return I would use my 'ability' to customize my phone to beat the competitors (WP) and match the market standard (GSII/4S).

patlak 2012-02-01 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158890)
Lol misterc you troll. It's not like those criteria are impossible to meet, let alone hard.

In fact, if I was Nokia and I was burning away my two strategic ecosystems for M$...in return I would use my 'ability' to customize my phone to beat the competitors (WP) and match the market standard (GSII/4S).
You always seem to forget that the contract clearly states: Kangal cannot screw over the first party*






*MS and OEMs

patlak 2012-02-01 12:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1158747)
i know for sure, are you think its fair enough the price of single core with 2years old is almost same with newest chipset dualcore??, sorry just asking, :)
A lot of resources went into development of Maemo 6 and N9's design to suit the OS. Other parts inside drive the cost even more. SoC, 2 year old or not, is doing the job flawlessly inside the N9 and that's what you pay for, the perfect UX.

Also, do keep in mind that since Elop arrived at Nokia, his whole purpose was to drag away sales from the N9 and get as much money back as possible spent in R&D. There were 2 ready devices and only one released and Nokia was in drought for a year. Even with the high price, the phone experience positive reception, and is selling like a fat kid eating at McDonald's. Nobody gives a crap if it runs a 2 year old chipset if all is flawless and unique.

misterc 2012-02-01 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1158900)
A lot of resources went into development of Maemo 6 and N9's design to suit the OS. Other parts inside drive the cost even more. SoC, 2 year old or not, is doing the job flawlessly inside the N9 and that's what you pay for, the perfect UX.

Also, do keep in mind that since Elop arrived at Nokia, his whole purpose was to drag away sales from the N9 and get as much money back as possible spent in R&D. There were 2 ready devices and only one released and Nokia was in drought for a year. Even with the high price, the phone experience positive reception, and is selling like a fat kid eating at McDonald's. Nobody gives a crap if it runs a 2 year old chipset if all is flawless and unique.
Patlak, pardon the question if it is that obvious (i.e., 2nd device being N950?) but which 2nd device are you talking about (if not N950)?

(my understanding was that decision to stop production of the N950 had been taken already in 2010 following problems with the keyboard mechanism, thus prior to Flopocalipse)

patlak 2012-02-01 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1158912)
Patlak, pardon the question if it is that obvious (i.e., 2nd device being N950?) but which 2nd device are you talking about (if not N950)?

(my understanding was that decision to stop production of the N950 had been taken already in 2010 following problems with the keyboard mechanism, thus prior to Flopocalipse)
Yes, I'm talking about the N950 which actually is the first device. I doubt there were slider problems, it's using the N97, E7 mechanism, which is simple and difficult to screw up. Maybe someone with a N950 can tell us if there really is a problem stopping mass production. Even if there was an issue, it would be easier and cheaper to fix it than build a whole WP device from scratch.

pelago 2012-02-01 14:21
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I've never believed the slider issue (if indeed it even exists) was the real reason for not releasing the N950 as a mass-market device.

Zoxir 2012-02-01 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1158935)
Yes, I'm talking about the N950 which actually is the first device. I doubt there were slider problems, it's using the N97, E7 mechanism, which is simple and difficult to screw up. Maybe someone with a N950 can tell us if there really is a problem stopping mass production. Even if there was an issue, it would be easier and cheaper to fix it than build a whole WP device from scratch.
[sarcasm]You don't know what you're talking about WP has a growing ecosystem 3 million new developers have joined since the deal with MS and they have added 10 M new apps. WP has the third ecosystem. So what if noone give a flying f*** about it, it will become the first ecosystem with 100 times more apps then users. How awesome is that? Where's your android and iOS now huh??[/sarcasm]

Dave999 2012-02-01 15:23
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Windows Phone ⅞ rocks!

vitaminj 2012-02-01 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1158935)
Yes, I'm talking about the N950 which actually is the first device. I doubt there were slider problems, it's using the N97, E7 mechanism, which is simple and difficult to screw up. Maybe someone with a N950 can tell us if there really is a problem stopping mass production. Even if there was an issue, it would be easier and cheaper to fix it than build a whole WP device from scratch.
Now, you see, there's the minor problem that although we were asked to be enthusiastic about the N950 on blogs, twitter etc., we also all agreed to this:

Quote:
You acknowledge that the Product is in prototype stage and still in development by Nokia and thus, not in commercial quality. In view of the foregoing, You agree not to i) make public statements about the possible errors, deficiencies, faults of the Product or Your other findings about the incomplete nature of the Product; and/or ii) disclose the Feedback to third parties, without Nokia’s prior written permission.
So, erm, yes. I think that's a standard NDA for pre-release devices, judging from the language, and not a special one for the N950 which belongs in perma-prototype limbo, but hey, the agreement still stands.

So, without of course implying that there are any "errors, deficiencies or faults" with the N950, I must say that it doesn't fit in with the new design language they came up with after making it. So, playing along with Ahonen's slightly fevered rantings, I'd say that they would have probably, if they had wanted to also launch the N950, just for consistency, needed to put the guts of the N950 into a N9-alike polycarbonate shell to make it match, sweetened those grumpy carriers up with an updated slider (see those old news articles), maybe even snagged the AMOLED screen from the N9, and then they could have definitely launched both at the same time (i.e. when Harmattan PR1.0 was complete) with much less effort than going with WP.

The Wizard of Huz 2012-02-01 16:23
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Steve Ballmer : Developers, Developers , Developers, Developers
Steve Elop: , Ecosystem, Ecosystem, Ecosystem, Ecosystem,

patlak 2012-02-01 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1158994)
So, erm, yes. I think that's a standard NDA for pre-release devices, judging from the language, and not a special one for the N950 which belongs in perma-prototype limbo, but hey, the agreement still stands.
Simple version of NDA: The device is perfect, don't tell...

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj
So, without of course implying that there are any "errors, deficiencies or faults" with the N950, I must say that it doesn't fit in with the new design language they came up with after making it. So, playing along with Ahonen's slightly fevered rantings, I'd say that they would have probably, if they had wanted to also launch the N950, just for consistency, needed to put the guts of the N950 into a N9-alike polycarbonate shell to make it match, sweetened those grumpy carriers up with an updated slider (see those old news articles), maybe even snagged the AMOLED screen from the N9, and then they could have definitely launched both at the same time (i.e. when Harmattan PR1.0 was complete) with much less effort than going with WP.
N950 seems to be bridging the N8, E7 design towards the N9's. Aluminum chassis with a N9 design, that's what the N950 really is. Also, wasn't it really supposed to launch like half a year ahead of the N9? Anyway, I still don't buy the slider defect. N97 won many votes for its simplicity and durability.

Instead of Elop giving us a N950 in February, he gave us a letter capable of destroying a kingdom.

AndyNokia232 2012-02-01 20:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1159017)
Steve Ballmer : Developers, Developers , Developers, Developers
Steve Elop: , Ecosystem, Ecosystem, Ecosystem, Ecosystem,
TMO members: maemo, meego, maemo, meego, maemo, meego


;)

elemental 2012-02-01 20:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1159152)
TMO members: maemo, meego, maemo, meego, maemo, meego
;)
So maybe I repeat the post in case some important people there missed it.

Maybe somebody from us, the admin,mod would gather votes from people registered in this forum and will send them to the Nokia. How many of maemo lovers are there ? Let them hear us. Come on, can we make something useful from this conversation?

AndyNokia232 2012-02-01 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elemental (Post 1159155)
So maybe I repeat the post in case some important people there missed it.

Maybe somebody from us, the admin,mod would gather votes from people registered in this forum and will send them to the Nokia. How many of maemo lovers are there ? Let them hear us. Come on, can we make something useful from this conversation?
I'd vote, why not?

Unless Elop had them place a self-destruct device inside the N9s, so that should I ever complain publicly about his decisions, my N9 would explode.

misterc 2012-02-01 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elemental (Post 1159155)
So maybe I repeat the post in case some important people there missed it.

Maybe somebody from us, the admin,mod would gather votes from people registered in this forum and will send them to the Nokia. How many of maemo lovers are there ? Let them hear us. Come on, can we make something useful from this conversation?
elemental,

apologies for distracting from your previous post;
in fact, i already felt then... hell, what's the point?
let me elaborate;
a few months ago i came across a web page that gave some details about the terms under which Flop got hired; it seems to include a substantial amount either party has to pay to the other if it chooses to end the contract before 18 months.
my guess is that shortly after Easter, Flop will get sacked without ceremony.
considering this and the little hope of the man even remotely grasping what the petition would be about, doesn't make much sense, does it?

why doesn't NOKIA terminate the contract right now? no matter what the fine would be, a company that size should be able to pay that, certainly considering the damage they take every day that passes... considering the mess NOKIA is in right now (Augeas stables?), it might be even more difficult for them to find a new manager then it was for Yahoo! :(

Brock 2012-02-01 21:21
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vote me 4 Nokia CEO :D

MINKIN2 2012-02-01 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1159168)
elemental,

apologies for distracting from your previous post;
in fact, i already felt then... hell, what's the point?
let me elaborate;
a few months ago i came across a web page that gave some details about the terms under which Flop got hired; it seems to include a substantial amount either party has to pay to the other if it chooses to end the contract before 18 months.
my guess is that shortly after Easter, Flop will get sacked without ceremony.
considering this and the little hope of the man even remotely grasping what the petition would be about, doesn't make much sense, does it?

why doesn't NOKIA terminate the contract right now? no matter what the fine would be, a company that size should be able to pay that, certainly considering the damage they take every day that passes... considering the mess NOKIA is in right now (Augeas stables?), it might be even more difficult for them to find a new manager then it was for Yahoo! :(
Well if anyone on the board is seriously thinking of terminating his contract then maybe they are just waiting for his term to end? They could see it as being a too higher fine to pay considering that he will only have a few months left and how much "damage" is now done now.

And I agree with your sentiment, who would want the role now?

As for the original article stating that MS and Nokia wont give actual sales figures, I am not very surprised by this.

We all know Flop is an MS drone and Microsoft has a history of only giving Shipping numbers for their product and not sales figures. Take the XBox360 as a good example, in the early years they never gave sales numbers ,but only shipped units. This only counted the units that left the factory doors but encompassed all Red-Ring, Returned and unsold units.

Not giving the sales figures is fine for Ballmer but Flop should remember he is not with Microsoft anymore and should stop being their whipping boy.

Arie 2012-02-01 23:36
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Julien Fourgeaud for Nokia CEO... I've met many Nokia people, but Julian at this moment seems to be the most prepared person to be a CEO and for some reason he has a CEO standard about him. So my vote goes for Julian.

SamGan 2012-02-02 00:24
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Steven Elop may be compared to the disastrous Gil Amelio who was appointed CEO of Apple for a year and a half before Steve Jobs took over. He drove Apple to the brink but Jobs managed to pull Apple back. Will Nokia be so lucky?

zwer 2012-02-02 01:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1159235)
Steven Elop may be compared to the disastrous Gil Amelio who was appointed CEO of Apple for a year and a half before Steve Jobs took over. He drove Apple to the brink but Jobs managed to pull Apple back. Will Nokia be so lucky?
There are not many people like Steve Jobs out there. Whether one liked him, or hated him, he was one of the most competent people ever to appear in the IT industry, and what's more - he deeply cared for Apple (or rather what Apple should be in his own view). Finding a person that is equally competent and caring for Nokia, especially in this point of time - I'm afraid that's mission impossible.

The best Nokia could hope for is to get a strong-willed (but not an ego-maniac like Elop - instead a guy that knows the difference between `power` and `force`) guy for a CEO, willing to execute swiftly and not afraid to get in conflict with the rest of the managerial staff, who will agree to low profit margins and accept that Nokia is not, and won't be for quite some time #1 in the industry. He/she should devise a strategy that would give them a couple of years of sustainability to catch up with the lost market and regain their weight so that they could throw it around and shake the mobile industry as they could a long time ago. One way or the other - the damage done by OPK, and especially Elop, would take many a year to fix, and the sooner the patient admits that, the sooner the treatment can start.

Of course, the biggest problem is that the patient is, and has been for quite some time - deeply delusional. :(

SamGan 2012-02-02 02:19
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It will take a competent CEO who cares for Nokia, not Microsoft. But at the rate Nokia is going down even the best CEO in the world may have no time to save the sinking ship. Elop is now selling off profitable Nokia assets like Vertu and their mobile ad unit to support WP7. Another 2 quarters under the mole and Nokia may reach the point of no return.

ossipena 2012-02-02 06:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1159257)
It will take a competent CEO who cares for Nokia, not Microsoft. But at the rate Nokia is going down even the best CEO in the world may have no time to save the sinking ship. Elop is now selling off profitable Nokia assets like Vertu and their mobile ad unit to support WP7. Another 2 quarters under the mole and Nokia may reach the point of no return.
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con...0810221433.jpg
(see how things got into speed about 2 years after initial release)

e: sorry I had wrong image url first

SamGan 2012-02-02 07:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1159288)
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)
You are the one who should educate yourself. Vertu sales in units are small but they are sold at big profit margins. To quote from gsmarena

"Vertu’s profit, as part of Nokia, isn’t public yet, but the paper estimated an annual revenue somewhere between €200m and €300m ($268 million and $402 million)"

If you think WP7 sales will follow iphone's trend just go on dreaming. On what basis will it follow iphone?

The Wizard of Huz 2012-02-02 08:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1159152)
TMO members: maemo, meego, maemo, meego, maemo, meego


;)
You can't compare them. " maemo, meego," does not have the same rhytm ;)

The Wizard of Huz 2012-02-02 08:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1159250)
The best Nokia could hope for is to get a strong-willed ..........knows the difference between `power` and `force`......... willing to execute swiftly and not afraid to get in conflict

http://caro.officialpsds.com/images/...r-psd50645.png

The Wizard of Huz 2012-02-02 09:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1159288)
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con...0810221433.jpg
(see how things got into speed about 2 years after initial release)

e: sorry I had wrong image url first

Sales taking off has more to do with being available in many more international markets and the arrival of iPhone 3G with a LOT of improvements that made iOS (more?) mature with native apps and appstore. Besides it's more like 1 year in stead of 2. And at the launch of iPhone it was already clear after a couple of months that the device was a killer. can't compare that situation to WP7/Nokia now.

Hmmm...maybe you should educate yourself better.
And at the time of sale of Vertu they said it had a revenue of 100's of millions. Not small money for Nokia in 2011/2012.

erendorn 2012-02-02 09:18
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
guys, "revenue" != "profit", so either you were both using a misleading term, or you're basically saying nothing much (actually, 100M revenue is not a lot, smart device sales are probably around 8 000M annualy)

vitaminj 2012-02-02 10:39
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1159137)
Anyway, I still don't buy the slider defect. N97 won many votes for its simplicity and durability.
The edge of the phone is a lot lower profile than the N97/E7 though, so you have to grip it differently as there's less to push, and less to hold when it snaps shut. But if I wanted to, in a roundabout way, I'm not legally allowed to argue with you, so let's leave that there.

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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1159137)
Instead of Elop giving us a N950 in February, he gave us a letter capable of destroying a kingdom.
But the OS wasn't finished? I get the feeling that Harmattan wasn't always Ahtisaari's Swipe-fest though - did they have some intermediary thing that could have been ready earlier? Was it MeeGo API compliant, and all in QT? Would you really have wanted three Maemo OSes live in the community?


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