Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Yeah I don't believe for at minute that it's doing way better, the odds are totally stacked against it.
The people claiming that, will be totally dis-proven in a few mths, & we'll learn how the 710/800 are smashing the N9.
Of course that has little to do with them being much better devices....

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Howdy, mate. So you don't believe the N9 outsold Lumia? Why? History is replete with products and people who have succeeded despite great odds. The latest Gardner report shows WP7's market share declining 44% y-o-y from 3.4% in 2010 to 1.9% in 2011. It has now less market share than Bada, an almost invisible and badly managed os produced by only one manufacturer. How did this happen with 2 big giants behind it and with the biggest promotion in smartphones ever in the last Q? Would you believe it before the Gardner report?

The N9 outsold Lumia despite the odds because it has a beautiful, innovative and intuitive UI while users hate WP7's ugly and closed UI. It is a hit in China and that market is huge. The largest carrier in China bundles the N9 on contract which is an incredible coup for Nokia (but not for Elop). WP7 hasn't entered the China market yet but it really shouldn't bother.

But the best indication that N9 outsold Lumia is Elop's caginess in releasing breakdown figures of smartphones sold. We are only told vaguely that Lumia sold "well over a million". This is the first time that Nokia has not released breakdown figures. If Lumia has really sold more than a million surely this is not too shameful to publish real figures? But it is because no matter how many Lumia has sold, N9 has sold more. And where would Elop hide his face?

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

According to Canalys, only 600k N9s were shipped in Q4. The number sold will be less than that. No way it outsold Lumia. End of.

Windoze Phone sucks, but deluded N9 fanboys should give up this daft obsession with N9 sales vs Lumia sales. Whichever you buy, the money goes towards putting an extra storey on Elop's mansion. Just buy the phone you like and get on with enjoying it.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

vote for N9, :)

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Nokia cannot wake up. They have been in a persistent vegetative state for almost half a decade now.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I just call the whole thing bollocks. Let's wait and see.

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I was in Shenzhen a few days ago and walked into what looked like a China Mobile shop (one can't be too sure with the fake stuff going on in China :)). From the street I could see that their "front of the shop display counter" had N9 promo materials displayed prominently, but when I got inside for a closer look, the b@st@rds were displaying lumia phones under a card display saying N9! If that's not switch and bait I don't know what is :p

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

most of teh sales were in china though.
china mobile sold more 1m alone.

btw u can calculate n9 sales from q4 sales

lumia sold 1m between october and jan 26, 16.8 m symbian, in q4 2011.

not sold abit over 19m- 600k-1m of lumia that puts--- n9 sales about 1m-2m, unless n900 is counting by alot which i doubt.


http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/..._heart_of_.php

canalyst numbers are wrong, unless nokia is selling a linux platform we dont know. and it's Selling double what windows phone is.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Other blogs which estimated N9 sales by deducting estimated Symbian sales and Lumia so-called "more than a million sales" from Nokia's smartphones total sales have come to the same conclusion - that N9 sold 1.8m to well over 2m.

Nokia did not give Symbian sales numbers for the whole year or that would give the game away but it can be estimated based on its declining trend. Assuming that Symbian sales are flat (which is unlikely) actually give sales of N9 as 1.8 million. Taking N9 sales as 600,000 would mean a big hole in Nokia's smartphone sales figures which cannot be accounted for by any other model.

Why is it so difficult for Lumia fanboys to believe that N9 outsold Lumia? Why is Elop so ashamed to reveal the real figures?

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

64gb version is sold out here in indonesia, its no stock, :(

i want that 64gb version, if i couldnt get it, i will go for sgs2 or maybe note, :(

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Once the 800's in most of the same countries the N9's* in...
It's the combination of many little availability issues (among other things) like this (& there been "lots") that will ensure there's no way the N9 sells better.

*at the same time the N9's not being allowed into the countries the 800 started in.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I'm going to make it easier for everyone in here and to the OP.. Nokia should and could but won't.. The end. :)

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2 weeks ago theyre still available, but now they've dissappear, is this nokia strategy? :confused:

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Plenty here in the US. amazon, welectronics, negrielectronics...you can buy them for under $500

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest availability is def. weakening in some "official" countries.
It's always been somewhat weak/unreliable (esp. 64GB Black & White), but now it's getting worse in some.
Especially with carriers & their resellers, may still be quite common in retail channels etc...
Generally availability is much worse than the Lumias if they share the same country or are about to.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

While Nokia has done much of anything to market N9. It's need to be said that the interest for N9 is non existant at the moment.

Not talked in blogs and no new news coming anymore. N9 was popular here on launch in Finland, but seems to not be selling anymore. Availibity at least here isn't a problem.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Well that is Finland we're talking about ;)
Agreed it's mostly fallen-off the radar in the blogosphere.
No terribly surprising why etc...

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I think you should read that article again. There is no figure for Symbian devices in Q4. The best AAS can do is guess at 18.5m, based on the 19.6m total and Nokia's statement that they have "sold well over 1 million Lumia devices" as of 26th January 2012. Also, the 19.6m figure is the number of smartphones shipped, not sold.

There is no way to reliably extrapolate N9 sales from the figures. You are simply believing what you want to believe.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Why?
B'coz of Mr. Flop's
1. Deliberate sabotage; and
2. Disinformation Campaign.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

LOL. NOKIA had to capitulate. Harmattan clearly exposed that nokia can not put together a stable OS. Despite all the years N9 is still half baked. The screens stuter, it almost feels like you are on roller skates while using the device.

The Windows is at least stable and moving in the right direction. It will catch up with other OSs before NOKIA will ever do.

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i never do an internet transaction before, its a must to have a paypal account? sorry for my silly question and my bad english, and thx too you all, :)

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Vodafone Australia stated that Nokia N9 was considered "end of life" in end of December last year and was no longer sold by Vodafone.= before the new year. That was only 2 months after release!!!

While Galaxy S2 released back in June last year is still going strong even right now. I guess that just shows how bad of a seller N9 was. (at least to Vodafone) or maybe it's all to do with the conspiracy that Nokia stopped providing more N9 stock to Vodafone? =P

Either way, Nokia (aka selop) was at fault.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

@jakiman, Vodafone still has n9 16gb but not on their website, they probably sold all at virtually no discount or subsidy, also, if the manufaturer itself is not promoting the phone beyond current version then why would Vodafone be worried promoting it when SGSII anf HTC are flowing out the door like fluid... you know what I mean :)

Their main busines, afterall, is selling network services not matter device brings it.

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Question: are you BigBadGuber? Just guessing from your posting history (owned an iPhone, liking terms like "just works" and "hassle-free", being in the US, talking about email client vs. your company IT etc. etc.)
Why aren't you just simply posting w/ like-minded people on wee-pee-central, but here? I guess your chances of convincing a noticeable share of TMO members to try out or move to WP is marginal at best. But convince me, if otherwise.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

This is a really good idea. Hope they would do it in the future...

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GSMArena's statistics says different:

http://www.gsmarena.com/stats.php3

Nokia N9 is in top 5 phones by daily interest after more than half year it was announced, just entered all-time top 15 phones and currently is top rated phone.


This dead non-ecosystem somehow seems alive. :cool:


Lumia numbers are nowhere near (and we all know Elop's marketing strategies for this two phones).


P.S. As an owner of N9, I need to say that this phone is "far from perfect beauty" that I wouldn't change for any other phone

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

If those rankings are in anyway meaningful how can iPhone not be in top (sorry)? That phone that alone sells more than all Nokia smartphones together. WebOS had huge hype around it, had arguably the best looking UI of the past 4 years. It didn't take them far.

I'm grumpy just reading these threads these days. :D Just like in N900 case, only the hardcore fans are left.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

iPhone 4 is 6th phone by interest of all times. It doesn't have good rankings from people votes, who knows why ... maybe it's too expensive for what it provides, lacks some features that people find must-have, site is EU (and not USA) based, etc.


Why Samsung's rankings are not strange to you? Or Lumia's compared to N9? :)

No need to answer that, my point was not in selling numbers or something else, it's in current interest in N9 that you clam that does not exist.

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Three words - hardcore loyal base :)

Since a a lot of people who actually bought the N9 has to be considered as fanboys (buying the phone with lousy future support, "dead on arrival" reviews status...) it quite makes sense that the N9 users are kind of more fighting for their beloved phone. 74,290 votes - it's not even all the deluded fanboys out there. Compared to the iPhone, which is spread around the many very different users it kind of makes sense too. That average mass of users has different expectations so the phone has lower overall rank (same about the "interest rate", cause everybody knows iPhone, so nobody has to search something about it).

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Lowering stock will do that for you. If N9 is released in all countries with high amounts of support, bye bye Lumia. Even if Lumia outsells N9 in the following quarter, it still doesn't disprove the fact that N9 outsold the Lumia and was the MUCH MORE DESIRED device.

I fuxk you a-s-s hole, elop!!!

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

Why in your right mind would you want to fu.k his arsehole? Even the gayest of gay men won't wanna do that based on his up-to-date bio.

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do you have anything better to do, than analyze my posts and comparing me to your alter ego.

Lets see, what did I say that can offend you.
Nokia N9 has more hardware issues than Lumia800: True
Lumia 800 benefited from Nokia N9 going out first and breaking in the production line: True
Nokia N9 OS half baked: True
Lumia 800 smooth and good at what it does: True

what is the problem with above analysis? Both are Nokia phones. One is supposed to bring bread to the table (Lumia 800), and the other was pre-Elop, the usual half baked Nokia OS that has no chance of competing realistically with the big boys. I happen to own both N9 64Gb white and Lumia 800 cyan. N9 is in the box and Lumia is in my hands. Not because I hate N9 or harmattan, but because Lumia IS better for me, more stable and easier user interface at this moment. N9 doesnt have a chance as a flagship for the masses.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

That didn't answer my question.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

What? Every half baked Nokia OS is better than WP7 crap. Anything is better than WP. It's the worst OS ever. WinMo was better. And people know that, and won't buy lumia phones - it is what we are all concerned about.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I have both, and I can tell you that Lumia is a better deal for the masses.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I have both to, and I heard opinions from users that bought it. They are really disappointed with lumia. They are telling that they will never go with Nokia again.

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Better for the masses? Does the WP market share ring a bell as to its mass reception? Did all those N9 reviewers earn money for the reviews they posted? MeeGo is more than ready. There is even info that these updates have been ready for a while. And, if Elop wasn't so concentrated in destroying Nokia with the "partnership," and backed MeeGo with full force from the start, we would've had more MeeGo devices and a happy and competitive Nokia. It's people like you that ruin Nokia and consumer's needs. Let's go against 99% of the population and shove a WP down their throat. Elop is a stubborn pig that does what MS wants and not what the consumers want. Way to lead a company.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

I also have both and the Lumia 800 and 710 are as disappointing as can be. I am extremely happy with the N9. What a joke windows phone is.

Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 

comparing Q4 2010 with Q4 2011. just one announcement ruined everything in Nokia. if Elop is happy with Lumia phones sales figures then he should compare Lumia sales with N8 sales. 5 million Symbian^3 device were sold in Q4 2010. and the only device running Symbian^3 that time was N8. but still Elop thinks that Lumia phones are doing great. what a shame. you can see the difference by yourself.