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I'm hoping for tizen, sounds promising. Just hoping that there will be some hardware manufacturer that go for it.

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I'm not a developer and have no significant problems with my N900. On the other hand, it appears that my new Android tablet will NEVER be able to read a chess book from my tablet and display the moves from the tablet at the same time because using more than one window at a time doesn't work very well.

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Guys...everybody has different use cases but it's clear that xxxts is not happy and wishes to move on. Respect that and give him suggestions, not arguments. Arguing senselessly how your own choices are better is getting nowhere fast.

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All of that and spell check/voice recognition. People call navigation on the iPhone because it does not use text to speech like Android. AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SPELL CHECK!

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Isn't it up to xxxts to reshape the conversation if he doesn't like the way this one is going?

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I find it pretty pathetic that people can't spell their NATIVE language. Oh, unless the errors occurred from using that crappy on-board keyboard. English is not my native language and I don't find anything wrong with it when it comes to speling (sarcasm alert). Correct me if I'm wrong.

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#1 I am not making an argument. #2 If I was it has not changed.

When the N900 came out it was a developers phone, and it was top of the line in terms of hardware - top display resolution, front facing camera, competitive processor, excellent rear camera, Fennec (we were promised Flash 10.1), it was and still is an AMAZING device.

But I am all about practically. If I have a task I want to get done, I want to get it done in the quickest, most efficient way possible. When the N900 was released that option was given to me. I could go to https://facebook.com and easily navigate it. Now with the Timeline and all that nonsense, I need an app. Same with online banking, the list can go on and on.

The N900 just is not an efficent device anymore, not only by hardware specs but by Maemo 5's lack of features - I don't even have spelchek!!! For me personally that is a huge deal, I am a horrible speller.

For all of you guys talking about, "Well just boot into NITDroid!" - WHAT IF I GET A PHONE CALL??? NITDroid has been in development by some very smart and very amazing people and I still can't answer a call using it on my N900 - hence it is pretty worthless to me.

I really know next to nothing about iOS, I had the first gen iPhone for 4 days and returned it all those years ago, I asked to play with my buddies iPhone 4S and it was much more efficient than the N900, in nearly every way.

It does suck that I cannot run SSHd, X11VNC, etc. but you gotta weigh the pros and cons - from what I know iOS gives you more possibilities. It is very simple and mindless, however if it gets the job done then what's the problem?

And come on people - don't give me this nonsense about a keyboard, I am really ticked off that psychical QWERTY keyboards are going the way of the dinosaur, I really am. However - it is a PITA to connect the N900 to an external keyboard and the iPhone has this: http://youtu.be/GZPa8MBFKMA

What I was really hoping to come of this thread would be some kind of realism. "Yes, for many the N900 is not as useful anymore and there are better options; here they are;" But instead people are suggesting a still born OS (MeeGo), a dead OS (Maemo) and then making outrageous claims that are blatantly not true (neither one of those OSs are open, if you want to disagree with me on that claim show me the source code for the phone application).

I have always been an Apple ANTI-fan boy and a Nokia fan boy. But I am also a realist and it is quite obvious that Apple is offering a far superior product than Nokia. That cannot be argued with. Especially if you live in North America.

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You're wrong. Einstein was a horrible speller. Some people excel at certain things, I am a very poor speller.

A side note and a funny story: When I asked to see my friends iPhone 4S to play around with it I asked him, "I know iOS has multitasking now... how do you get to the screen to see all the running applications?" He replied, "Well, it's not like your phone - your phone is like a mini computer - there is no screen where it shows all the open applications."

It was quite discouraging, however there is a VERY GOOD possibility that iOS 6 will have that. There is NO POSSIBILITY that MeeGo will ever receive an update of that magnitude.

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Superiority of iPhone CAN be argued. For example, the iPhone warranty: winters where I live are cold. This, regarding to Apple, voids your warranty. And they do not even tell this until it's broken.

At least Nokia brings knowledge of this to the people living in NA.

I understand that different users have different needs from their phones. In my case, the N900 satisfies all of my needs better than any other phone in the market. There are some unique stuff that only can be done with N900, that cannot be argued. Then there is these mainstream apps that just make life a little easier than using N900 to complete these tasks. I don't use any of these apps.

IMHO, the user interface in Maemo is better and more efficient to use than Android, but again this is just an opinion.

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So you are stating here that there is something wrong in my spelling then?

Since you cannot correct opinions, your argument is invalid.

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The UI on Maemo is AMAZING. It is outdated and lacking though. It needs voice recognition, spell checking, real support for portrait mode (not hacks), and just a few other tweaks. It is still arguably the best mobile OS ever made by man. However it was killed, the source was not released, it will not be updated, there will be no evolution, and applications will be minimal.

If you have a Facebook I can bet you bottom dollar I can get more done with an iPhone 4S/Android 4.0 device on FB than you can using a N900 (I know this to be true because I am the guy with the N900 right now). I wish that was not the case, but it is.

There is really no debate the Maemo 5 is by far the best mobile OS out there. But it is outdated and abandoned.

I used spell check >10 times while writing this.

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I´m really glad to watch such a challenging discussion going on here and I think all of you guys definitely have your point in some way...
as a no-developer, just a simple user of N9, I need to admit it´s been a great new experience for me to get-to-know MeeGo, tweak it a little bit and overall play with it with ease of a swipe...
though, I was wondering, do you really think the (supposedly) upcoming A6 in iPhone 5 will be that much better than anything else so far? (in terms of speed, user experience and tweakability)
sorry to be a little off topic, I was just thinking what´s the best choice after the PR updates stop and I´m a little bored with N9...
THX

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xxxxtx, I had the N900 for 2 years and then felt the need to move on(I will always keep it and cherish it though). Which I did but personally nothing compares to the N900. I tried a friend's ICS and just didn't like it. I tried my girlfriend iPhone 4S and oh boy I disliked. Yes, they both have a tons of app but even now that I have the N9 with limited amount of apps, I barely use any but wouldn't have minded some that are unavailable (whatsapp, wordswithfriend, pandora, netflix, shazam)! Anyway, from what I can read, you need to get the iPhone! Just don't expect to overly thrilled. There are no device that will satisfy all your needs out there, and you will just have to settle for the least evil if I may say.

Of course, all this is subjective! Good luck :)

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xxxxts: I am curious about the ios story you told on the side there.
So it has been said that iPhone DOES multitasking? Not that it matters that much, but it actually is a bit funny. I am curious to know what they actually mean by that. What do they weigh into the definition multitasking.
It is a hell of a difference with cooperative multitasking (like Window 3.11 style, or android style if you like) and real round robin prioritized free threaded multitasking.
My guess is, that it is pure bull. Its just another buzz word that apple wants to include in their sales pitch. The everyday lame user thinks its sounds cool and all, but have no clue what it really means. "look, i can switch between applications, oh, it's multitasking".
Its like what I heard Steve Jobs had expressed once that iOS and their products are open platforms. Uhm, yeah, right.

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Potentially useful thread + neckbeards =

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/w...up/219c2gi.gif

OP asked for help and ended up having to constantly defend/explain himself. :rolleyes:

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Exclude me from that, I am just curious. I even suggested him the N9 and I don't even own one or would buy one myself.

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That is a good question, I asked my non technical friend whom I had this conversation with and he said, "If you are downloading something and you want to go to another App, it will keep on downloading."

EDIT: It looks just like Maemo 5: http://youtu.be/s5SgqViYkfE

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please, after have N900 and go for iShit? lol, ok, now i know there just an ordinary guy, N900 is for geeky, its far away from sexy, go away with ur sh*tty apple, dont tell me they have best spec, look at mwc, the winner is sgs2, oh boy, thats fruit is cracked, lol

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Enlighten me. Where are these X Server implementations for Android? Ok, there was one that made Slashdot yesterday, and was released as a beta with very limited functionality a whopping 9 days ago, but it is so basic most X applications don't work on it. I've checked the Android market and couldn't find any others.

And back on topic. The Galaxy Note is what most interests me at the moment, but more as a mini tablet to complement my N900 rather than a replacement, well just as soon as Samsung get their arses in gear and release an official ICS firmware for it. Personally, I don't really mind that my N900 doesn't have speech recognition or spell checking or a good maps program, because they aren't things I'd use much. I love my N900 becuase it is my pocket Linux computer that is also a phone and unfortunately there hasn't been anything that compares to it on that front.

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other just 'smartphone' we actually have mini computer, so no one can replacing N900, my opinion, :D

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NOTE: Apple's philosophy is "simplicity for the user". Who cares if an app is running in the background as an actual process or is frozen?
(Also see: Apple removing the lights from OS X dock)
There is NO WAY that iOS 6 is going to get this kind of multitasking.
Double tap the Home button, opens a nice little drawer where previously-open apps lie (swipe r->l to see more previously open apps)
If you wanted to see what apps are actually running, you need to jailbreak and install SBSettings.

MeeGo {Mer/Nemo/Tizen/Harmattan (sometime in the future)}: zypper refresh && zypper install gnome

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Can you do things like deposit checks directly from your N900? I don't currently have a smartphone, just an N800, and I think that Diablo is close enough to perfect for a mobile UI (at least compared to all the other mobile UIs I've used)...but I find myself using my wife's android phone more and more because some of the apps are darn useful. Case in point, I'm traveling a lot more for work lately and have a lot of expenses that need to be reimbursed. Just discovered a great service that makes creating the expense reports much easier, including apps on the phone that let you take a picture of the receipt and it imports all of the data for you. They have apps for iOS, Android, Blackberry, and even WebOS, but certainly not Maemo or Meego. And all of those expenses are then reimbursed by check...which used to mean weeks before I could make it to the bank to deposit them, and now I just do it from the phone in 30 seconds.

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So like I mentioned: apps. If your life/line of business/work depends on one app that you cannot live without, go for the phone/os that provides it. I don't think whining on apple forums that some androird dev only released ipk and is unwilling to throw out iOS version has any sense. Pester the devs instead, might get better results. Considering that with N900 you get access to maemo, webos, android apps it really seems a moot point. Don't 'business meaning' guys have a work phone btw? In finance I doubt it will be apple (then again after Carrier IQ fiasco seems blackberry is left with any reputation for security, banks' standard so far is BB) toy, might be a neckbeard, but again, android forums will provide better insight what is possible and what not on their devices, same for iOS. You will get people in love with maemo here, so what does one expect (call it tunnel vision, we don't care)

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Don't get the current IPhone though. Get the next gen of it. Maybe get a N9 to play with now, then the next gen IPhone. You might see the limitations of the IPhone then. I came from the N900 as well. Love the N9, even with some of its issues...not that the N900 didn't have its own, but loved that one as well. As for keyboards, I picked up an Ion bluetooth, with btinput and btterminal, I am very happy.

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I am going to wait for Android 4.0 to be officially released and I am betting iOS 6/the new iPhone will be released then along with a few quad core Android phones. I will stick with my N900 until then and cross my fingers that something awesome comes out. I would take my N900 over an N9 any day, sorry.

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i am a poor user only not a developer type, i have N900 after many symbians, when i purchased it i know it very well that it has only some apps. i am civil engg. and traveling 3-4 hours site to site every day and this time is very hard, but i do this with N900. even i also find N900 a complete phone, i also tried iphone 3g and some random androids, but really no one close to my N900. now i am using it without eMMC but it works, i also searching a new alternative for me and only Droid 3 is looks good to me because HW keyboard is must for me.

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It's a bad example for me, I don't use checks (we rarely, or almost never do in sweden afaik).

I have the asus transformer prime tablet which is a ICS droid. It's a pretty expensive and frontline android device so you could say that I have no reason to speak against it. I find it this way: Apps are typically very tailormade for some specific use, but if you want to move out of those specific use cases they were designed for you typically end up with having to use a regular browser anyway, and the n900 one is a really good one. I actually find it in some cases even better than the droid browsers (I have three different ones, and to be honest I find them using your words, "clunky"), even if the n900 flash support is outdated by now.

I have several times ended up in the following, first I try some application on the prime, doesn't really do what I want so I try the droid browser which is also kind of limited phonestyle browser, so I end up by turning to my N900 or my laptop.
Can't help it, but my view on it is that the N900 is far away from being outdated, because it still do some things better than what newer phones do these days. Don't forget: The n900 was primarily designed to be an internet tablet rather than a typical smartphone. It simply does things better because it is more like a regular computer with a more desktop like OS in the bottom rather than a typical sandboxed "single process at a time" smartphone OS.

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I don't disagree with you at all. I haven't been able to bite the bullet and get a smartphone precisely because I can't stand how limited the OSes are compared to something like Maemo. I also am not a fan of creating dedicated apps for each and everything, especially when it is something that could be done just as well in the browser. Case in point all the fast food restaurant apps that let you order food via the app, so you need to have an app for every restaurant you want to order from, rather than just going to their website and doing it there.

But there are other apps that take advantage of specific phone hardware that is not accessible via the browser (at least not yet). I've mentioned a couple above that are quite useful to me (I don't like getting paper checks, but since I get 3-4 a month it is nice not to have to go to the bank for them or fill out any forms). Most of the other apps I think could be pretty useful are also ones that take advantage of the camera, translating road signs into your native language, or taking a picture of a business card and having it automatically added to your contacts, etc... I'm sure other people have favorite apps that take advantage of the gyroscope, or NFC, or GPS. These kinds of features are genuinely useful (maybe not to you, but to a fairly large section of the population).

Now my dream mobile would have a form that was a cross between the N800 and the N810 (keep the dual card slots of the N800 and the keyboard from the N810), make the screen a bit bigger, and the bezel a bit smaller (but keep the physical buttons). Update the insides with modern hardware...and most importantly keep the Maemo OS pretty much just like it was/is. Add on the ability to run Android apps and I think I'd be pretty satisfied. I obviously know this isn't going to happen, yet I still keep waiting/hoping that something will get kind of close enough for me to say OK. (In retrospect, buying an N800 might have been the worst tech purchase I made, just because it means I'll never be satisfied with anything that comes after it.)

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I still have my N900, going to wait for the new iPhone to come out before I buy - but I think you guys are really missing a big point here: this is the age of the API. It's pretty obvious.

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Just get the iPhone. You seem to have mentioned it in every post you made here - this indicates, that you do subconsciously want it.

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I don't think you can go wrong with an iPhone or an Android device. Obviously, if you decide to go down the iOS path you don't need any help, but if you're still considering Android, you should probably investigate these five phones:

http://gizmodo.com/5906041/five-best...es?tag=android

And remember, the Samsung Galaxy S III is being unveiled early next month.

Also, if you have any specific questions about the differences between iOS 5.1 and Android 4.0.4 (ICS), I'll try and answer them.

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really thats how you loose credibility? hmmm..
people really cry down symbian but how many of you have used symbian recently? ive used symbian recently and i do really like it. its actually not a bad os. i mean personally for me the iphone os reminds me of a teenagers room where you just hang some posters on a wall (and call it an os)...the new belle os is quite nice and smooth...what are you going to argue now? nokia store doesnt have a gazillion apps? well surprize symbian actually doeesnt need a gazillion apps to do stuff as alot of base features of symbian comes out of the box... no need for plasters to cover inadequecies...plus with that (41)mp camera and pureview technology its a decent choice...oh and its just as fast as most of the devices out there....and yes i do still have an n900 and n8 own an n9 sold my ip4s (bought it t check out what the big hurrah was all about) and i will be getting the 808 as well...
if i had to choose os's in order of relevance it would be
maemo
android & meego
symbian
ios
BB
wp (wp really sucks to me..very boring os)

*end of rant*

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HTC one is a quad core device, but as it has been pointed out the battery lasts about 16 hours or so... With great power comes great power consumption ;)

And if your phone keeps dying out, i dont think it will do any business any good. I haven't heard much about galaxy S3 but I've tried out galaxy Nexus and really loved it(Even though I have an N9... I love my N9 too)

it seems to have just the right screen size. Multitasking I cannot comment on.

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Probably not what you're looking for, but the physical keyboard has not been forgotten.

Hands-on with Kyocera Rise, an Android 4.0 smartphone with a QWERTY keyboard

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....e---angled.jpg