Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Didn't Nokia decide to stop selling Vertu in Japan way back in 2008?

As much as I don't like the guy, Vertu has been in decline since before Elop.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Even, If it was in decline, he's selling each and every segment of Nokia, piece by piece. If that's a way to lead and improve a company, job well done.

I just can't grasp why in the hell didn't they teach us such methods of leadership in school.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

did they teach you to tell your customers that your products are outdated, do not stand up to the competition any more and can not be developed further?
did they tell you to expect a bonus after that?

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

m$ hardly cares about NOKIA any more.
they hoped that NOKIA devices would smuggle m$ phone crap into peoples pockets, unnoticed...

with his burning hara-kiri and every fart since Flop destroyed any chance of that happening :cool:
because he annihilated the company :'(
like any company he ever was manager of before, except m$ where they kicked him out on the 1st occasion :D
which, alas, was NOKIA :mad:

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

If the msemo/meego team had done an outstanding job (as they should) Nokia wouldn't be in this current situation.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

And now one care if nokia is selling out everything :( probadly because they will be sold to US companys anyway. people/investors in EU doesn't see or even care what is going on. Because of the crisis in EU.

Or else they are stupid nokia fanboys and blind fools and still beleive nokia can succes by selling out everything and close all factorys...

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

when Flop announced N9 he let out another one of his Farts... the last MeeGo device... ever
no matter how good N9 is / was, after such a "sales job" it's a miracle they sold any :eek:
independently of the fact that many markets simply didn't get it :mad:

of course, they had to keep the assembly lines free for the innumerable L* devices there were going to sell >¦-))))))))))))

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Assembly lines?? You seems forget that 800 was not even done in nokias factory.

But anyway specc is just a ridicilous troll.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Yea yea yea, specc = troll, specc = stupid, specc is this, specc is that. What is this place? a kindergarten?

Symbian, the same thing. If Nokia had managed to create a competitive Symbian, they would have no problems. Nokia did one huge mistake. They should have hired first class software architects and programmers to fix Symbian OR maemo from the ground up. They didn't. What they did was to use qt as a makeup. But you know, pigs and lipstick....

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Mikecomputing is troll as well.

Tomi "Troll" Ahonen is a troll.

But it's always fun to read his troll posts :D

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

most ridiculous post i have read this month

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Why?

This is simple logic. If Symbian OR Maemo had been competitive, there would be no need for Elop, there would be no need for WP.

Instead of making them competitive they tried to put on some Qt makeup. That didn't work.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

The maemo/meego team is now at Jolla. Their track record makes me highly doubtful that they can succeed

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

b4 Flop / Fart made his burning hara-kiri, Symbian was THE n°1 smartphone platform
period

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

without Flop's petulance pigs can fly and Jolla might well be able to sell quite a few MeeGo device, especially with hw keyboard. question is whether they'll be able to make a living / profit from it.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Nothing to do with Elop. N900 was out in 2009, They should have had the device for N9 ready by 2010......with development since at least 2007....

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

that's all there is to it

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

May have been, but that didn't benefit Maemo. In fact, the dominance of Symbian within Nokia meant that they (the OPK management) didn't fund Maemo as strongly as they should have. Thus, when Elop walked in, he could have dismissed Maemo/MeeGo as easily as he had, point to Symbian and show them how much money it cost for R&D to keep Symbian competitive and seemingly do it with the blessing of the Board of Directors.

That... was the case and that led to the current situation where Microsoft is still their push in terms of marketing and press releases and Maemo/MeeGo and Symbian are all pushed to the wayside.

Blaming Elop is only looking at what he had left to deal with in regards to the undervalued, underfunded yet pretty damn driven Maemo/MeeGo teams that have gone to Jolla and other places. Qt has been purchased by Digia and that means that it will invariably not have the funding that a healthier Nokia could have given it.

So Tomi Ahonen roasting Elop's decisions - nothing new. He'd probably roast OPK too if he hadn't in the past (I seriously don't know). And pretty much he'd roast anybody else making decisions not named Tomi Ahonen.

Being number 1 doesn't mean you're infallible. It means you have further to fall down...

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

I think Elop did what he had to do.... we shouldn't roast him.

We should be roasting the board of executives.

If Nokia didn't strike the deal with Microsoft, I'm certain RIM would've done it shortly thereafter. Then you'd have Microsoft with a stronger patent portfolio, a communications service, a hardware vendor and a foot into the corporate world. In fact, Windows 8 would be something to look forward to.

If anything, I think it was Intel that killed Nokia.
Maemo5 was good (is good). Starting over with .rpm and Qt5 is better, yes, but NOT in the scale of time they did it.

I think the best alternative would've been if they shipped Symbian Anna/Belle with the Nokia N8 and did so at least 6 months prior. That would've been the "stop gap".

And in the meantime, buy out Palm, have extensive patent portfolio to litigate Apple (yes I actually support this), and churn out Maemo5OS-with-webOS-UX and devices that are "good enough" to compete in the market.

I think in the meantime, Nokia could've been creating a powerful successor with the latest stable Linux kernel, rpm package system and Qt5-framework. They could've bumped up the UX again and offer upgrades for "worthy" devices. Sure it would've pissed off a lot of people, but you have to think about yourself first.

While Apple was selling the iPhone 4S and iPad 2, Nokia could've been selling a tablet like the ASUS Transformer and a phone like Google Nexus Galaxy... which may have been short of "Apps" but it would be more "revolutionary" and with a bright future with Applications.

The Samsung Galaxy S i9000 was the "make it or break it" point in time for the industry.
This is where Nokia, Palm, RIM and Microsoft all went wrong.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Yeah, no, that wasn't the problem - Intel may have done many things but killing Nokia wasn't it. Qt5 wasn't even part of the MeeGo.com story (came much later). .rpm made a lot more sense considering that the build systems allowing you to do productized releases of .deb based systems and Harmattan were Nokia-closed source.

Also, the Harmattan programme getting so damn late that it sucked up all the people that were needed to really kickstart on MW/UI side for handsets, a multi-device strategy with MeeGo.com, hindering real progress.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Maemo / MeeGo never was a commercial product
R&D only
thus never was considered a commercial alternative to Symbian. potential maybe but never realized. there once was a link to an article that described the innards of NOKIA &... the total lack of vision of the management.

Flop / Fart failed miserably any xEO job he tackled
m$ kicked him out and that was (alas) the only company he wasn't able to run into the ground.
NOKIA will be the next one.

again...
and, finally...
that NOKIA didn't fire Fart is just the proof how incompetent they are. no matter what ludicrous reasons they may have to hire the failure, not firing him after burning hara-kiri just proves that they deserve nothing else then what is going to hit them in the next 12 months... bankruptcy.

Re: Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

You're rewriting history here. It's step 5 out of 5. The intended forward facing, popular to the masses release.

Many documents and plans stated that Maemo was going to be the top of the line. If not an alternative, Maemo/MeeGo was to be a superlative to Symbian.

I've never argued against this. They had a lead, lost it, we know the rest.

Yet... the Nokia Board of Directors felt like he could turn around Nokia? Who's the fool here. The fool... or the fools following the fool?

The fact they hired him is proof positive that the board is incompetent. Nothing more is needed to be stated.