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raily 2012-06-05 21:45

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display is fixed with the new version, but it fails to detect gotye - somebody i used to know... ?!

RafaelVlmendes 2012-06-05 22:26

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Eyrie no work in Nokia N9... please fix the problem Elleo because when i ill user phone to write the music no work...
Thanks.

ZogG 2012-06-05 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raily (Post 1218131)
display is fixed with the new version, but it fails to detect gotye - somebody i used to know... ?!

It's not app detecting but server and it's lack of features as it's opensource and made for free (Shazam and SoundCloud or cost money or paid by phone company to be be free in store). So instead of saying in thread (not specifically you but it's not first time here) what song doesn't work, try to contact echoprint guys and ask them how you can help and update database.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RafaelVlmendes (Post 1218153)
Eyrie no work in Nokia N9... please fix the problem Elleo because when i ill user phone to write the music no work...
Thanks.

I understand that english is not your native language (as you can see neither mine) and i'm pretty sure you want to help to improve app, as well as developer wants to get feedback. But you need to provide more info (maybe you can use google translator or better ask english speaking friend to translate for you)

Android_808 2012-06-06 06:52

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for anyone commenting on undetected tracks:

as stated before, this information is obtained from the echoprint servers. if you go to http://echoprint.me/data and accept the terms you can download a human readable lists of all tracks in their database (11mb) to see the current status.

marmistrz 2012-06-06 20:00

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I found one minor bug: this should depend on either qt-components-10 or qt-compontents (the first one preferred)

Code:

Depends: qt-components-10 | qt-components

Elleo 2012-06-07 07:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1218566)
I found one minor bug: this should depend on either qt-components-10 or qt-compontents (the first one preferred)

Code:

Depends: qt-components-10 | qt-components

It deliberately only depends on qt-components for now, because qt-components-10 in extras-testing doesn't have the com.nokia.meego components set (it only has them in devel). When qt-components-10 gets upgraded in testing I'll release a new version that depends on that instead. There's never likely to be a version that depends on one or the other though as they're not compatible (the qt-components implementation of com.nokia.meego requires changes to the QML for the widgets to appear in the correct places).

inean 2012-06-07 09:02

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IIRC, all dependences of a promoted package are also promoted. Just add a dependence to qt-components-10 (>= 1.0-pr0), and it will be promoted with your app. Said that, please, add support to org.maemo.fremantle namespace so your app could reach extras repo

marmistrz 2012-06-07 10:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1218756)
It deliberately only depends on qt-components for now, because qt-components-10 in extras-testing doesn't have the com.nokia.meego components set (it only has them in devel). When qt-components-10 gets upgraded in testing I'll release a new version that depends on that instead. There's never likely to be a version that depends on one or the other though as they're not compatible (the qt-components implementation of com.nokia.meego requires changes to the QML for the widgets to appear in the correct places).

The extras-devel qt-components-10 contains com.nokia.meego. I'm sure, as I gave such option in MeeCoLay: either -devel qt-components-10 or qt-components. And it works

AMD 2012-06-07 10:40

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Well, I have a Nokia N9, and none of the old & new songs were recognized, the mic works well because I can see it, but always tells me something like "Sorry, we can not recognize the track bla bla.. ":confused:

RafaelVlmendes 2012-06-07 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1218159)
It's not app detecting but server and it's lack of features as it's opensource and made for free (Shazam and SoundCloud or cost money or paid by phone company to be be free in store). So instead of saying in thread (not specifically you but it's not first time here) what song doesn't work, try to contact echoprint guys and ask them how you can help and update database.



I understand that english is not your native language (as you can see neither mine) and i'm pretty sure you want to help to improve app, as well as developer wants to get feedback. But you need to provide more info (maybe you can use google translator or better ask english speaking friend to translate for you)

Sorry.. i did away and write very fast. Else. I say other day about the Eyrie no work app for Nokia N9. When i push the find music while 40 sec or 1 min the app catch me a error " cant seach the music " same error the version 0.1 . I reflash my N9 and nothing.

ZogG 2012-06-07 23:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RafaelVlmendes (Post 1219177)
Sorry.. i did away and write very fast. Else. I say other day about the Eyrie no work app for Nokia N9. When i push the find music while 40 sec or 1 min the app catch me a error " cant seach the music " same error the version 0.1 . I reflash my N9 and nothing.

I don;t think it's error, but it just can't find the song. database is small and the server it uses is opensource project. But we hope one day it would have mor songs than shazam and soundhound together and could detect on the fly as them. ;)

HELLASISGREECE 2012-06-07 23:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMD (Post 1218847)
but always tells me something like "Sorry, we can not recognize the track bla bla.. ":confused:

I always get this message as well. it cannot identify any songs. none.. zero

ZogG 2012-06-08 00:30

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Okay i wouldn't repeat 3rd time, as well as it was said few times also not by me. Just read why it doesn't recognize and if you don't like it, don't use it and by iphone with soundcloud instead. Why everyone feels so important to say what they think and don't like, but do not bother to read or to do something better, if they are so smart.

ZogG 2012-06-08 00:45

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http://i.imgur.com/Gqdrj.png

http://i.imgur.com/Xx5KP.png

http://i.imgur.com/RENCU.png

http://i.imgur.com/jTyF1.png

godofwar424 2012-06-08 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1219205)
Okay i wouldn't repeat 3rd time, as well as it was said few times also not by me. Just read why it doesn't recognize and if you don't like it, don't use it and by iphone with soundcloud instead. Why everyone feels so important to say what they think and don't like, but do not bother to read or to do something better, if they are so smart.

TBH, I just tried Californication by Red Hot Chilli Peppers 4 times and NOTHING was found.

I have also gone through the list on EchoNest's server and tried multiple michael jackson songs, all failed to be recognised :(

ZogG 2012-06-08 01:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by godofwar424 (Post 1219214)
TBH, I just tried Californication by Red Hot Chilli Peppers 4 times and NOTHING was found.

I have also gone through the list on EchoNest's server and tried multiple michael jackson songs, all failed to be recognised :(

I didn't check the list, i just tried few songs from youtube, while putting headphones close to n9 (night here, didn't want to use speakers)
WAIDW?

HELLASISGREECE 2012-06-08 01:56

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we are giving feedback.

that's all. calm down please

Elleo 2012-06-08 02:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by godofwar424 (Post 1219214)
TBH, I just tried Californication by Red Hot Chilli Peppers 4 times and NOTHING was found.

I have also gone through the list on EchoNest's server and tried multiple michael jackson songs, all failed to be recognised :(

Could you (and anyone else who's actually checking against songs known to work for some others) provide more information on your general environment? e.g. How loud was the music? How close were you to the speakers? Were you moving the phone in your hand much? In which direction was the phone facing relative to the speakers?

Thanks.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-06-08 02:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1219235)
Could you (and anyone else who's actually checking against songs known to work for some others) provide more information on your general environment? e.g. How loud was the music? How close were you to the speakers? Were you moving the phone in your hand much? In which direction was the phone facing relative to the speakers?

Thanks.

the same environment in which i use instinctiv on the N900 and shazam on the N8

ZogG 2012-06-08 06:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1219240)
the same environment in which i use instinctiv on the N900 and shazam on the N8

Let us turn on our mind readers..... Damn they are not invented yet.
It's not feedback, and it's not helpful, the attitude you talk to developer and about app is not really welcome in community forum.

You should understand that dev tries a lot d and make non-profitable for him app alone and not as company. So do respect him please use something more than sarcastic "nothing...zero".

SamGan 2012-06-08 07:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1219240)
the same environment in which i use instinctiv on the N900 and shazam on the N8

Developer asks for feedback to improve his app and you reply, "instinctiv and shazam can do it but yours can't." Try to be a bit more helpful.

godofwar424 2012-06-08 11:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1219235)
Could you (and anyone else who's actually checking against songs known to work for some others) provide more information on your general environment? e.g. How loud was the music? How close were you to the speakers? Were you moving the phone in your hand much? In which direction was the phone facing relative to the speakers?

Thanks.

I tried different volumes, didn't seem to help at all, I was probably half a metre from the speakers in the centre of my speaker setup, music was loud enough to be picked up by a microphone.

I was holding the N9 in my hand as I normally would, one handed with my palm to the side of it, three finger spread from top to bottom and my little finger just supporting the base of the phone, I was definitely not blocking the microphone of the N9.

Elleo 2012-06-08 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by godofwar424 (Post 1219425)
I tried different volumes, didn't seem to help at all, I was probably half a metre from the speakers in the centre of my speaker setup, music was loud enough to be picked up by a microphone.

I was holding the N9 in my hand as I normally would, one handed with my palm to the side of it, three finger spread from top to bottom and my little finger just supporting the base of the phone, I was definitely not blocking the microphone of the N9.

Thanks for the further info. I had been wondering if perhaps the people having trouble were playing things at a very high volume or were holding the phone very close to the speakers or something (resulting in clipping), but that doesn't seem to be the case here at any rate.

Does your speaker system consist of separate tweeters and sub-woofer? That might result in a different mix of bass and treble output than in the original recording, I'd need to investigate how much that might influence the algorithm if that's the case.

I'm just throwing ideas out at the moment though, so if there's anything else you can think of about your set up that might have an effect I'd be interested to hear it.

cddiede 2012-06-08 13:14

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Really appreciate those who have so far shown examples of songs they are able to get Eyrie to detect successfully.

It really gives a good baseline that we can test against instead of throwing song after song at it randomly.

I've so far not been able to find any way to list out the EchoNest database so I can test a larger number of songs on Eyrie that are known to be in the EchoNest database.


Is there a master listing of what is in EchoNest so far in a place that can be viewed and compared?

Elleo 2012-06-08 13:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cddiede (Post 1219470)
Is there a master listing of what is in EchoNest so far in a place that can be viewed and compared?

Here's the text summary list: http://echoprint-data.s3.amazonaws.c...-of-tracks.txt (it's 11mb, so you might want to download it and grep through it rather than trying to search it in your browser).

godofwar424 2012-06-08 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1219462)
Does your speaker system consist of separate tweeters and sub-woofer? That might result in a different mix of bass and treble output than in the original recording, I'd need to investigate how much that might influence the algorithm if that's the case.

That shouldn't effect it, also my speakers are actually studio monitors, meaning that they are similar to what you have been used when producing tracks.

At any rate that shouldn't make any difference.

SamGan 2012-06-09 01:42

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How about trying the beginning of the song and the middle of the song? Does that make any difference?

PartyboyXP 2012-06-26 11:40

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In my case dont work :(

jleholeho 2012-06-26 12:00

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guys, don´t get me wrong as I really appreciate all of the OP´s efforts to make this work, but this app simply can´t ever come close to Shazam or SoundHound...the database is way too inferior to what we´d need in order to get a decent experience...sadly...
even worse, both Shazam and SoundHound were apparently bribed by Flop to totally not allow MeeGo and N9 users to have a chance to use these apps...I´m judging off their casual responses, like "we are aware of lack of the functionality of our app on MeeGo N9 platform, unfortunately we are not planning to release the version for your phone"

Elleo 2012-06-26 14:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jleholeho (Post 1227631)
the database is way too inferior to what we´d need in order to get a decent experience

I think it's a mistake to assume the database will always be the size it currently is. Once the public fingerprint submission process is in place I plan on making various tools so that users can easily submit their fingerprints from their own music libraries, allowing us to crowd-source the problem of improving the database.

In addition to this EchoNest have a database of 30 million fingerprints using their old proprietary ENMFP algorithm, it's not unreasonable to assume that at some point in the future they might run these same tracks through the EchoPrint algorithm as well. Alongside that MusicBrainz is also getting involved in trying to improve the EchoPrint system and have their own EchoPrint test server setup (http://echoprint.musicbrainz.org/).

So while the database is too small at the moment, it will grow in time.

Diggler 2012-06-27 12:13

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Thanks for putting efforts into this application, much appreciated!

Some more specific feedback was asked for so I did some testing on my N9. I chosed Tiny Dancer with Elton John Greatest Hits available in the db. I played the song from my laptop in front of me. I tried both with holding the phone in my hand approx 20 cm from the computer speaker and also by putting it on the table approx 15-20 cm from the speaker. I couldn't notice any difference. I also tried to lower the volume on the pc but couldn't find any differencies there either. Eyrie either found the song or not at the same places in the song. I tried this several times for the timings below and was almost the same result every time. It could take longer some times to find it but it could be due to my timing starting Eyrie.

The results below is first when I started Eyrie in the song. Second when Eyrie reports a result and third if it found it or not.

00:00 - 00:15 - Found it
00;24 - 00:58 - Found it
01:00 - 01:25 - Found it
01:30 - 01:55 - Found it
02:00 - 02:25 - Found it
02:30 - 03:18 - Didn't find it
03:00 - 03:45 - Didn't find it
04:00 - 04:49 - Didn't find it
05:15 - 06:02 - Didn't find it

I also tried to play this song on the phone and it had no problem finding it in the first part as when trying with OTA. I noticed that the frequency waves are not visible when playing from phone. Maybe a good reason for this.

Elleo 2012-06-27 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Diggler (Post 1228173)
Thanks for putting efforts into this application, much appreciated!

Some more specific feedback was asked for so I did some testing on my N9...

Thanks, that's really helpful. There's been some discussion on the EchoPrint mailing list recently of planned server changes which should make matching in later parts of songs more accurate, so hopefully that'll help with the sorts of results you're getting. When I have a bit more free time I'll see about prodding the people in question and seeing if I can find out a bit more about what stage those changes are at.

trompkins 2012-06-27 23:48

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In case anyone wanted to set up a server (here's how):
Here's api.py modified in order to pass basic metadata to a client.
Here's modified eyrie source which plays nicely with the above (you'll need to edit the target IP address in eyrie.cpp though).

After a couple of hours of testing with N900 I'm still not sure what factors determine a successful match. Is there any significant drop in reliability because of signal downsampling and thus cutting off higher frequencies? Perhaps the material ingested was of inappropriate genre (old-school Swedish death metal, ~1300 songs, whole). But why on earth it wouldn't recognize *any* songs on 'Purgatory Afterglow' no matter how many times I tried but with 'Until Eternity Ends' it was all but too familiar...? And, yeah, Shazam on NITDroid had much less problems matching even such lo-fi tracks as Carnage's 'Torn Apart' and was generally much more successful with the same song pool tested in the exact same environment.

:confused:

obhishap 2012-07-03 07:25

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I Installed the app but unfortunately its not even starting. Just a black screen with slight illumination. Any idea why ?

Elleo 2012-07-04 06:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by obhishap (Post 1230502)
I Installed the app but unfortunately its not even starting. Just a black screen with slight illumination. Any idea why ?

It sounds like you're probably running it on the N900 and have qt-components-10 installed instead of qt-components (unfortunately the two aren't currently compatible).

dzano 2012-08-14 18:25

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What kind of app is this...I can recognise more songs than this thing does!?

jellyroll 2012-09-01 16:55

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I does not recognise any song for only time it found the wrong arties and song.
My cat reconize more songs as this app.

marmistrz 2012-09-01 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1231533)
It sounds like you're probably running it on the N900 and have qt-components-10 installed instead of qt-components (unfortunately the two aren't currently compatible).

Does this app use com.meego namespace? if yes, download
qt-components-10-com.meego-compat package and try out again
and Elleo: please move to com.nokia.meego namespace then, as com.meego is deprecated

DfLo1913 2012-11-20 04:39

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I installed it. It opens up fine. I press find song it starts recording but it doesnt find a song at all. Is there a way to check if its recording? The app looks great though. Thanks

nokiabot 2013-04-22 14:21

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Wats up now? Dead,


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