Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Nokia's way on lay offs is to support people losing their jobs on finding or creating new jobs. They have offered patents for start ups and I believe Jolla is one of these start ups they are collaborating with. With talented people free of Nokia's corporate politics and restrictions they might be able to create something new and interesting, perhaps not mainstream but a viable niche product. I also believe that Intel has some interest in this...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Some examples, please? It would be nice to hear about some details. I'm really curious, no irony intended. Are You referring to abandoning .deb packaging, or something deeper?

/Estel

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

"MeeGo Harmattan" is a marketing name for Harmattan, which is what was originally going to be released as Maemo 6. The OS fails to meet the MeeGo compliance requirements in various ways, but an exception was granted by the Linux Foundation for the use of the MeeGo trademark. That was back when everyone involved (Nokia, LF, Intel) cared for the brand, nowadays it's an orphan and the whole thing is moot.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If they're going to be serious about things, I hope that they secure the small things that tend to make or break these kind of startups... distribution channels, coherent marketing, evangelists that have proper connections and all deadlines met. We all know the SDK for this so far...

I wonder if Nokia will sue to stop this since this might encroach on their IP, but if they were to get Intel's support for continued usage of MeeGo and a hardware manufacturer that we've heard of that delivers quality and high yields, this could be a good thing. In fact, with Firefox OS and this, it's starting to look like I have options beyond Jelly Bean for my next OS. I still can't count on Tizen yet though.

Regardless... this could catch on. I just hope it gets bigger than OpenMoko and Open Pandora.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ofcourse not, it may very well be Nokia too.

But what I meant was that I dont think they will make an upgrade/support N9 to make it compatible with theyr newer OS/UI etc... Its seems some has been confused to think so on the internet today.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo#Licensing
"The MeeGo framework consists of a wide variety of original and upstream components, all of which are licensed under licenses certified by the Free Initiative (such as the GNU General Public License). In order to allow hardware vendors to personalize their device's user experiences, the project's license policy requires that MeeGo's reference User Experience subsystems be licensed under a Permissive free software license – except for libraries that extend MeeGo API's (which were licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License to help discourage fragmentation), or applications (which can be licensed separately.
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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Agree but not to big because thats when all those big companys start to sue :(

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have to agree with you with the execution part. There is no doubt that these individuals are creative. However, creativity is only a small piece of the whole execution. N9 is an example, cool and creative device, poorly executed and not optimized to compete with smoother UIs. So, for them to succeed, they will need to roll up their sleeves, work around the clock, and have someone beat them over the head for UI that stutters, lags, and crashes. They need a practical man like Jobs to finish the product to perfection. Otherwise....it will be another flickering flame that will be extinguished rapidly.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

And for the record, JollaMobile is not Mer. Mer is not JollaMobile. JollaMobile uses and contributes to Mer. Mer is a mobile core (without UIs and Hardware adaptations), usable and used by many different companies, with many different contributors.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, neither do they need to become big.
It's another story if you can be small and successful in this industry.

Can't out of my head think a company in this business only making phones with 400-1000 workers and making profit. If any industry, this needs size and huge amounts of cash behind you. Big guys will eat you alive.


Anybody even remember that one company that released this huge hyping event that all the blogs caught year or two ago. They made a tablet and phone that looked okish, whole company was forgotten 2 months after, i wonder if they sold any.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

^ fusion garage grid 4 and grid 10

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/17/2...-pr-team-quits

Edit: slow...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What IP are you referring to? Copyright? The software stack (kernel, GNU, X, Qt etc) is Free Software. Trademarks? The MeeGo trademark belongs to the Linux Foundation. Patents? Jolla would be no more or less vulnerable than any other company in this space (modulo that Nokia has granted a patent licence to the Linux kernel), so any suit targetted at a small startup of ex-employees would likely be seen as vexatious and thrown out immediately.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There is a way around this and there is a prototype even which I've tried - you can have invisible keyboard (with larg "buttons"). That you can write without masking the screen. It's called SnapKeys... From what I've seen just now it's even beyond the prototype stage.

I'm guessing it's not perfect with all langauges but I think someone might come up with a solution to this.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm happy for this news. Always a shame to see a good thing die. Would love to see what they come up with. I wouldn't even mind seeing a joining of Mozilla's boot2gecko

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

im really very happy. who knows may be its Nokia who are funding them as they can't manufacture MeeGo smartphones directly because of Microsoft deal.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Have you looked in all those patent fud lately from both samsung, nokia, apple, microsoft lately?

There is PLENTY IP's big companys can use to hurt JollaMobile if they want... Its not only software....

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Just to clarify, Jolla is an independent company financed by a group of international and domestic private investors.

source:@JollaMobile

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

We tried similar things over the years. The problem is that it has to be at least somewhat visible in order to see where you're typing, and so it obscures things you want to see/read.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

it went from when i saw 214 followers to 1,915 Followers and counting xD

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's not just a transparent QUWERTY. It's 4 buttons which (with practice) you can hit blindly. Some letters are a bit strangle distributed (e.g. A to two dots, but R to close circle) but I guess you can get used to it with time.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's the one.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Smoother UIs? After PR 1.3, my N9 is probably the smoothest I have seen so far (and I have seem some handsets).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The GTA-04 was done by a team of about 5 people. :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No offense, but i'm waiting something a bit more polished, modern looking that actually can match phone from this year or last year with great OS and UI.

Not total nerd toy glued together.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

First official Jolla Press Release:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'd give $10 to this company..they should start a kickstarter..

I guess Pureview+MeeGo is ruled out though :(

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

...WHOW...!!! :cool:

Really hope, this lives up to its promise. All the best for that! :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Great. :)

But the hardware has to be atleast as good as N9 IMHO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm going to wish this endeavour a long and successful life of relative continuity!

Two other wishes: that they don't outsource the manufacturing of the designed devices to sweatshops in some distant dictatorship, and that they carefully choose hardware with open enough specifications so that the devices can be fully supported come hell or high water...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I am excited and hope that this goes somewhere. However, it is not easy to succeed in this industry, at least if you wanna be a little it more than a niche player within a small niche (i.e. meego geek smartphone for FOSS enthusiasts or similar).

So one (of many) factors to succeed will be capability and connection of top management. Does anyone have background info about these guys?

Dr. Antti Saarnio – Chairman & Finance
Mr. Jussi Hurmola – CEO
Mr. Sami Pienimäki – VP, Sales & Business Development
Mr. Stefano Mosconi – CIO
Mr. Marc Dillon – COO

If so, please post, I'd really appreciate to get more info!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Go look them up on LinkedIn.. if it works, that is

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't think that the second wish is possible. Last mobile company that had real Western plants was Nokia, not anymore.

To even dream about having manufacturing somewhere here in Europe would need huge scale, or really small amount phones. Components after all are not made anywhere near Europe or North America.

Will be really interesting to see that hardware. There are small firms who have made some very nice hardware (like the Finnish AAVA mobile mentioned here before), but moving that to any kind of scale and selling the product in some kind of acceptable level (below 1000 euros) is the part where these companies usually seem to fail.

I would imagine these people working on Nokia before would know what to expect and have idea how it all works. Time will tell.

Damn i hope it works for them. Having this kind of firm making lust worthy hardware with open source OS with great UI is my dream.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If they manage to actually release a phone, it most likely will be very close to a reference design compatible with the MeeGo stack.
Something similar to the Orange San Diego perhaps. That is based on Intel reference design with Atom soc and manufactured by a Taiwanese ODM (Gigabyte).
I think that would be the only way to release a device within a year, and they would still have a lot of work to do (UI, applications, third party software support etc. etc).
Currently the MeeGo devices released (actual MeeGo, not Harmattan): WeTab and some netbooks really have terrible software, buggy and unfinished. Hope they can get the software right with a phone.
Otherwise I will just have to wait a year or two for Ubuntu to release a phone and use the N9 untill then :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Immense news.

I hope, somehow, this really takes off and Nokia sees the mistakes they've made.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well there are still manufacturing facilities outside Europe in free countries, and with the cost of manufacturing rising in a certain large east Asian empire why wouldn't modern largely automated manufacturing be financially feasible in various locations.

But I know what you mean and that's why it was merely a wish...

I do know, however, that before Nokia abandoned its soul for Elop's microsoftian self-immolation plan, part of the reason they were so popular around the world was the simple fact that they were from a respected neutral part of the world and that they used to put the customer first.

Jolla might be able to inherit some of that goodwill and build upon it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Duh, looking them up on linkedin was the first thing I did. I keep my thoughts to myself after I read their profiles.

So again, does anyone have any background info about these guys? What makes them stand out? Are these the kind of executives that can pull it off in the mobile computer business? Did anyone work with them and has an opinion about them?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why not? Apple found equally opposite niche, and please it to no end. I don't see any reason, why company targeting *our* niche - and also pleasing us to no end :) couldn't succeed. You fail, if You try to make f***in device "for everyone".

I'm absolutely glad about lack of "connection to management" of those guys. We already had one certain american with great connections to management, who turned out to be totally floping failman.

/Estel

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think this project is what was Meltemi , what was supposed to Meltemi was going to be ? MeeGo, but modified . they say ( jolla ) going to get a mobile phone this year, and if we're going to times this is impossible. even when they were developed meltemi based on meego how long it take to achieve that ? I firmly believe that is Meltemi I do not think that this project has copyright

sorry for my English is just a translation from Spanish to English