Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Changing domain names from Maemo to something else will happen anyway. That shouldn't be a problem.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

not at all, that's one of the main reasons for all that legalese and foundation stuff: some entity that can handle responsibility for maemo.org domain (and other stuff where Nokia wants to see some limitations regarding usage enforced, like no commercial usage). Council couldn't sign contracts assuring these fair use conditions to Nokia, that's why we need a legal entity.

/j

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I mean, having a foundation is good, but I don't see how it relates to anything from Nokia, if domain names will be different. Just don't use any Nokia's owned names and you are OK. I.e. I don't see a point in keeping maemo.org as a name for the community site going forward.

Transferring the content (into some archive?) is another thing.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I've since spoken to a few council members now....
They're not at all averse to us having the domain name debate, & there's no technical hurdles that can't be surmounted.*
They're just against doing it as part of the transition, as it overly complicates things when they already have little time as it is.
AFTER the transition is done, we can take all the time in the the world we want to debate & finalise domain names.
Whatever it is, it needn't necessarily correlate directly to whatever the foundation name is, although that's ideal IMO.

*even if some infrastructure ultimately truly must remain at maemo.org for legal/practical reasons

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Meego/Tuucome? XD

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

maemo5.org / maemocommunity.org ? if that sounds little different than the one nokia owns .It is simple and also explains what N900 contains .Since meego is still owned by nokia ,the guys in meego team probably should ask for something like maemo.org which is already there such as meego.com but still i never saw much of the work there.And also if they are supposed to be in ties with maemo community then probably they gonna need to stick with the name the one community chooses.Adios

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

hildon fundation it goes then?

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Btw, folks at the open tablets are willing to set up forums for Mer and derivatives in mean time already on the upcoming week. These debates about TMO transition can go forever, and having something practical will be helpful.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I'm definitely not willing to change all my bookmarks pointing to wiki.maemo.org and talk.maemo.org, and we simply can't change http://repository.maemo.org/extras*

I really don't see why everybody seems eager to change domain name now, it's plain stupid. Only needed if Nokia fails (fouls) badly and doesn't allow community to gain control over maemo.org domain, despite they told they would.

Honestly please take a deep breath and think about it, this is not about inventing something new, this is about sustainable service provided to existing users, with minimal disruption

Since Nokia eventually will stop to provide the hardware infrastructure (read servers), we need a legal entity that can sign contracts with server hosters and with Nokia to own the domain name 'maemo.org' (as well as a few others I guess). Then we simply move existing software/databases/whatelse to the new server hardware and change the DNS record to point to the new IP.
This whole naming debate is about the name of this legal entity called hildon foundation for now, nothing else, nothing beyond. Please re-read topic of this thread!

There are no plans I ever heard of to change maemo.org domain to something leete new we needed to invent now, it's nonsense!

/j

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

This thread's not even about that (see my post above yours & many before that), for now all we're even contemplating is foundation name.
As explained new domain is way down the priority list for consideration, AFTER the transition's complete.

*EDIT*
Seems you've since "clarified" your post....

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

What about tmo.org? anyone likes it?

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Well, three things led me to this conclusion:
1) the name of the legal entity has probably no impact whatsoever on the life of NXXX or tmo users, as they won't see it ever (or very few times), hence the debate is moot
2) Paperwork has probably allready begun with the hildon name
3) Aeolus fundation already exists, and Aeolos is already a company, so it's probably not best to use this name, if only it's possible. Hildon is not used by anyone else for any other purpose, probably safer.

hope that makes sense.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

The paperwork hadn't begun yet with the Hildon name as we were waiting on the discussion. Thanks for the info about Aeolus Foundation - I guess we will go with Hildon.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

EDIT:

How about Amigo Foundation?

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

In my opinion Aeolus is a much better name, if it comes to obtaining recognisability outside the given community... It's abstractness is kind of trendy, and that's what matters for recognisability.

But if the name is just for a foundation that only has to function as a legal persona in matters that are/will be of imminent but only internal-practical concern, than Hildon Foundation seems more functional and also gives more recognisability within the framework of the function such a foundation should/will have.

Never posted before, but have been silently following for some years now. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

1)
Well, some of us saw it & found it to be odd, the councillors said by all means discuss another, one even agreed it probably isn't the most appropriate name.
Interesting that you now take this viewpoint given your first contribution in this thread:
And given your agreement with this post....

2)
If it has, refer to (1)....

3)
Oh so you meant Hildon Foundation, in your last post you typed Fundation, seems you have in your latest post too.
Not sure why you're assuming I have a preference for that name or variants, I haven't yet settled on any, plus several others have been suggested.
But on the topic of that name or variants....
Whether or not a foundation by that name exists, doesn't necessarily mean it can't be re-used in the US state in which it's being registered, ditto for the co. name.
They're generic Latin/Greek names* for which no one has exclusive naming rights. Even if both of those revelations do matter (which I doubt**) there's still Eolos.
Unless you meant Eolos (not Aeolos) is already used by a company, in which case refer to my prior points.

Hope that makes sense.

*Well Aeolos is a made-up name, devised from Eolos.
**Both the foundation & co. referenced aren't in a field even mildly related to this community.

So what if a foundation by that name already exists? Doesn't automatically mean another can't exist without issue.
And what about the many other suggestions???
Sure Hildon's your preference, doesn't mean you just push ahead with it, esp. when it was the council that suggested it be put to a discussion :confused:
I PM'd one of the councillors 3-days ago to get clarification on whether it really is critical that a name be settled on ASAP.
(In one of his earlier posts, Woody seemed to suggest that it is...)
i.e. if time is of the essence, can you not just proceed with registering as Hildon & change it later once a majority consensus is reached?
I've still not had a response to that PM (usr hasn't been active @maemo.org lately), perhaps you can help there?
Not everything's been fleshed-out in the by-laws thread yet anyway, I would've thought it's more important & requires as much or more time.

Apologies for not placing all the suggestions (& a summary explanation for each) in the OP & tallying-up the votes (or maybe creating a Poll).
I've been extremely busy, plus I've not yet had a response to the PM's I've sent...

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

libremobile.org

Its free, I think? (mobilelibre.org is not)
It is about open free mobile OSs and devices.

(TMO -> TLMO)

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

We're not discussing domain or community site names yet...
That will only be considered after the transition's completed, a discusion can probably begin before then though (separate thread).
This thread's about naming the NFP entity that's being formed.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Ok, but NFP entity would be good to be visible in the site name also if possible.
Libre Mobile Guild/Foundation, Guild of Libre Mobile, ...

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Hmm... then what about The Aeolos Guild (TAG) ?

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Well I haven't changed my position that much: for the NFP entity, I said any name goes as we are not trying to create a brand or anything. But reading from some contributions, I just realized that the enthusiasm (including mine) shown in this thread mostly comes from a misunderstanding: ie believing that this name will impact this site and the users, whereas in truth this name will appear around here pretty much as often as the name "nokia" does.

We are discussing the replacement of a "very specific name, closely tied to the community, but not entirely fit" for a "wildly used name, loosely tied, but certainly more inclusive" one, and my latest opinion (which is personal) on that is simply "probably not worth it". Not such a big deal.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

First paragraph at this point is somewhat of a big assumption....
There's no reason why we can't ultimately tie in a site/domain associated with this entity name.
But yes, it's by no means a given at this point, nor is it even crucial, just an ideal...

Second paragraph, I have another idea which I'll elaborate on in more detail in a few days.
But some of the ideas already suggested tie-in just as effectively in a historical sense, whilst also being less specific/exclusive.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

It is not recommended to voluntarily take the name (or a similar name) of another Foundation that already exists. It just brings the unnecessary risk of trouble - plus it's not nice to coopt the name of another. (You can get exclusive rights over a mythological name (or a fruit l;ike an apple) if you use it and establish it as a trademark. This is as true for nonprofits as it is for companies


The elections are indeed coming up - my opinion is it's about time we decide on a name.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Thanks for your thoughts, I'll just link to the post you're addressing so there's full context:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...25#post1265125

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

may the council decide and agree . Otherwise there will be only suggestions ,left .Adios

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Well, does anyone care if I go ahead and structure the poll now???
It seems some of the council's resistant to the idea of changing to something more inclusive, so why bother.
Personally I couldn't care less any more, it doesn't seem to be worth the effort & angst it's apparently causing for some.
More important longer-term is a community site/domain*, which can be discussed after the transition.
But if some still want to proceed (& Councillors dont declare it's too late) I'll place a poll within 24hr that explains each submission.

*& that most definitely shouldn't be based on Hildon, if we stick to it for the foundation name.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

just place a poll here jalyst... Since you have done a thread and got discussions going might as well just complete it and place a poll...

I don't know about others but I for sure will vote :D

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

This is incorrect. In this thread, we indicated in advance the criteria that the name not already be in use. My thanks again to Erendorn for pointing out that Aeolus fundation already exists and saving us possible trouble in the future.


It is just a name and not worth further effort. Yes, it is too late for a poll and I don't see any support for any name other than Aeolus anyway.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

And why do you continue to operate on the assumption that Aeolus is what most people would vote for?
Aside from that, I'm yet to see a compelling argument as-to-why using the same foundation name is truly an issue.
I'm sure there's countless foundations around the world that share the same name, it's not necessarily the issue you assume it is.
If it or Eolos were to be the most popular name, how hard would it be to check whether there's complications, not hard at all I imagine.
Besides, there were other variations suggested beyond Aeolus & Eolos: Aeolos, Aeris etc.

I see plenty of people thanking thedead's last post, are you saying you're closing the door on this one?
Was about to submit the summary, will save me a few minutes of my time, so couldn't care less either way.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I think the two should be discussed in tandem.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Was happy to do that, but after speaking to the councilors it was explained it's out of the Qn to come to a decision on that yet, adds too much complication for the transition they're planning.
But they wanted a decision on a name for the NFP now (or yesterday), this thread can always revert to a thread about site_name/domain after that, if needs be.
Well, given that the door seems to be closed on naming the NFP, we can always start that now I guess, some have already been very vocally against any sort of change in that area, bed time.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I like Aeolus or the other Aeris one the best. But let's not make this any more difficult than it must be for those working on this, or those who will work on it in future. If the name has been already used in a way that could, even if it's unlikely, to cause problem in future it's not worth it.

My gut reaction to Hildon was the same as many who opposed it in this thread. But practicalities should trump wrestling over the name of the foundation. I don't think the foundation name will have much visibility compared to what the community will call itself and what domain it will converge itself under. As far as I've understood that can be a different topic.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Absolutely...

But dices are thrown?
Hildon? or Aeowhat?
An official statement would be nice.
Too bad to see a poll would only be about domain name now, just because it's too late now. If so - who put the deadline and why it's not mentioned here? :eek:

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Well they did warn a few times in this thread that it needed to be sorted pronto...
As part of registering the entity they needed a name decided & by-laws finalized, cant recall all the reasons why OTTOMH, but basically they needed registration done before they can move forward.
I also asked (IIRC) if we could just go ahead with Hildon & get the council to change it later if the consensus was different, but I never got a response to that, I can't recall if it was PM's or posted.
Definitely bedtime this time.....

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Actually, you have been very vocal against the name proposed by the people who worked on the initial document.

I found it personally irritating that you named this thread "We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!" as if it were a search for something new (when in fact you only wanted to replace the proposal already made).

Your first post in this thread doesn't make things clear, either. Even though I know that when you wrote it, the proposal for a "Hildon Foundation" was in place, there's nothing in that post to make it clear. To me, it still read: "Hey, we're moving to a new legal entity, do you have any ideas for a name?" instead of "The new entity will probably named Hildon Foundation, but I, jalyst, am against that. Any other suggestions?"

Call it the language barrier or my PMS or whatever, I found it strange, strange, strange ever since first I read it.


Oh, and on Aelos or whatever the spelling would be:It evokes the picture of an old, wacky teacher for Latin and Greek. I'm certainly not in favor of trendy and stylish brand names, but Aelos would be too much in the opposite direction.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

I know that this may seem like an "out there" suggestion, but I have just been reading through the last few pages of the Gary Birkett memorial thread and a few people have been suggesting a commemoration of some sort for the great work he did with the community.

Now I did not want to derail that thread with this but if the question of naming the NFP foundation is still open, could something with his name/username be used?

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Yeah, read that too. But that's not exactly a deadline is it?
(I'm not into IIRC, so dunno what was said there.)

In fact we [s]are[/s] were in search. And Hildon was just a suggestion as stated in the other thread's first post.

But that's because you were And that is just an opinion amongst others.

If the name was nothing to discuss about, then I don't understand why it's not made clear HERE. But rather let jalyst run into this mishap...

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Wisest post here yet....
Unless there's still some who really want a consensus decision on a NFP name rather than sticking with what was predetermined*, then I think we should forget the whole thing.
The next thing is the site name & or domain, we can begin discussion & if a consensus on something different to the status-quo is reached, then (to avoid excessive complication) it can be acted on long after the transition's completed.

*and if practicalities allow that for councilors.

Try reading again, I was referring to some users vocal opposition to change from current site/domain name, I was NOT referring to people's opposition to changing NFP entity name.
I was NOT saying there was anything wrong with that vocal opposition, just mentioning that there is already some strong opinions against it.

You've GOT to be freaking kidding me....
I freaking spoke to the councilors, they said: "Sure go ahead & discuss alternative names, should a consensus be different to the current tentative suggestion*, so be it."
That's ALL I've attempted to do, don't you freaking try to suggest otherwise matey!

*Which -incidentally- had been decided on with little to no prior widespread community consultation**, yet that doesn't seem to be your concern, does it.

**and I dont criticize them for picking out SOMETHING (after some discussion on the mail-list), can totally understand their motivation/rationale for that.

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

As Win7Mac has pointed out, benny1967 is a quite ardent supporter of the name Hildon so its almost worthless reasoning with him...

I think ajalkane in the previous page gets it right that the main reason we don't want to encourage Hildon in place of Aelous etc is the divisions it may cause but if we are left with no choice due to the name being in use then we may have to go with Hildon...

Jalyst, if you can find out the true status of the Aelous name and its implications if we use it as the NFP's name I think we can present a strong case to the Council on its usage or any such name as a poll may prove popular...

Re: We need a name for the NFP entity that we're changing to: add your suggestions!
 

Well my point in response to SD69 -which hasn't been addressed yet- is that Aeolus & Eolos (as Erendorn pointed out could case complications) aren't necessarily the only spin on that naming.
PLUS that line of naming may not even be the most popular choice, after I spell out all the suggestions very clearly in the OP...
But I honestly don't care any more, if the councilors want to close the door on this one because it's cutting things too fine for some reason, then so be it.