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Huh? Their name recognition is beyond most others will be in probably 10 more years. The problem is that you cannot live off name recognition alone.

And the move to asian outsourcing will make them just like everybody else out there. They no longer have a marketable advantage.

Agree, yet disagree. Direct sales can bolster your bottom line if it's done right. Ask Apple.

Their flagship stores - all two of them in the US - are gone. I was not traveling 1100 miles to the closest one to buy a Nokia phone in the US. No way in Hell. Having to buy via Amazon or online only means I'll never hold an unlocked Nokia in my hands in the US before purchasing it or going to a bigger city to test it out.

Can't say the same for Apple (again, I know... same example). And besides, store sales might not have been strong for Nokia, but it's a way to keep all of the profit for your company.

The Nokia sales distributions and how they keep going exclusive with AT&T in the US is a bad thing to do, imho.

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Having your own flagship stores is a bit of a double-edged sword...

Take Apple, outside of the US, it hands over franchises of its store and charges based on that...

For Nokia to set up their own stores you must consider their bureaucracy; they'll set up a Retail division, hire a retail chief, retail middle-managers and then open a store...The costs would be much higher than Apple...In Apple, Tim Cook and Steve Jobs would take a direct interest in how the stores are doing but for Nokia its just another one of many divisions...

Not forgetting the comparative price advantage Apple has of selling at high prices...In short, Apple's costs vs selling prices for their stores are probably the lowest in the whole industry...For Nokia to achieve even 80% of apple's ratio would be quite impossible...

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apple rules. apple and android exposed Nokias incompetence

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---whereas WP phail exposes Lubeman's incompetence. :rolleyes:

In other news, i particular found this piece of comment related to subcontracts interesting.

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That piece of comment perfectly summarises all what was wrong with Nokia and proves that a CEO though one with a lofty title is simply a glorified salesman with the power to decide what he's going to promote hence the manufacturers (in this case development team) produce only what he decides to promote...

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I've always, always been a symbian owner (and fangirl) - from the 6600 and 6630 onwards, every phone i've had was a symbian phone.

But i've let them go after two years of the N8. Love that phone, will miss it (and the camera button!) but alas, i cant take Belle any longer.

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Can anybody explain why the american market was decided to be all-powerful?

Elop may have made the right decisions in these circumstances, but fundamentally, it was all because someone (elop) decided america was the battlegrounds for market domination.

Did nobody stop to think that they were dominating because the ONLY 2 Os's (android, ios) were made there?

If anything, it makes substantially more sense for a new-comer to target a rich, growing, under-valued market.

Oh wait, like China?

Oh wait, what Jolla is doing?

"One device a year just isn't enough"
:mad:
Could barely read those words.

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its simple as a premier soccer league. do you want to be in a premier league or second division? android and ios rule the world because of severe competition on the us market. if you cant compete in the most competitive market, you will lose the global battle. do you understand now?

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Nonsense. Symbian ruled the world for years without any presence (or with hardly any) in the USA.

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Interesting. I'm still using the N8's little brother (C7) because whatever I tried (N900, N9, Lumia 800, some HTC Android...) doesn't come close. (N900 almost did, though.) And yes, it does run Belle. What's wrong with your N8?

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when real competition showed up, symbian was a goner.

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N8 should have been one of those phones scrappped by Nokia. it really dented people's confidence in Nokias ability to produce competitive software

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That was the n96 and n97 not the n8...The n8 with faster hardware and anna/belle from the outset could have got a much better response...Don't believe it? Check the number of "Top Apps" that Symbian had till Feb '11 that were on iOS and Android...

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Boredom. I've had a symbian phone for 6, 7 years? I'm bored of it. Tired of that fat lump in my pocket, pulling my jeans off. Tired of how closed it is. Tired of the limitations. Tired of nonexistent apps for it.

Meego/Harmattan is sooooo many light years better in that respect, thanks to communities like this!

edited: saing that, i have used it faithfully, wth cfw, for 2 years. I had Belle months before most people did. I loved Belle, faithfully. Now i've fallen out of love with it all.

I will miss the camera though! (its in FInland at Nokia being repaired, so i can send it to my brother in the states)

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the n97 mini was the worst phone ever. That shouldn't passed any quality checkpoints within nokia. they should have moved the dev teams to maemo and pushed out n900 and n900 2 instead ;)

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Honestly? Steve Jobs.

Most giant corporations today are run by money men. (It's tough to become a giant corporation without having the money men in charge.) The only problem with that is, to become an effective money man in the modern world, you've gotta pretty much devote yourself 24/7 to finance issues and salesmanship.

Apple is the anomaly -- they managed to choose a leader who wasn't a true money man. Jobs certainly had the cutthroat mentality to be one, but his true passion was always for design, not money. So where most giant companies will perform endless surveys and attempt to create products that the general population want, Apple ended up concentrating only on devices that Steve Jobs wanted. And, oddly enough, it survived long enough to actually produce a few of those devices.

As such, it was able to ignore trends, fads, criticism, and even basic logic and common sense in order to create a very small collection of very well-designed products. And so, the iPod with its five buttons was leaps and bounds ahead of any other MP3 player. The iPhone pretty much revolutionized the "smart phone" industry. And the iPad more or less created the modern tablet market segment all by itself.

That kind of innovation in design -- led directly from the top of the company -- is all too rare. Big companies will frequently experiment with radical concepts; Nokia's Internet Tablet series is a perfect example of this. But no true money man will bet the entire company on an unproven device; the risk/reward payoff just isn't worth it.

And you can see that today. Honestly, Android is more of a response to the iPhone than an innovative product in its own right. Nokia dropped Meego and went to bed with Microsoft because Microsoft appeared to be the less risky strategy. Everyone is reacting to the choices Apple has made; that's the way a money man works, by going to where the money is today, not by trying to create the world of tomorrow.

Without Jobs at the helm, I don't see Apple performing nearly as well in the future. Which is sad, because it probably means the return of the money men to power, and therefore more mediocre products. I've never agreed with Jobs' sense of design myself, but at least he had the guts to try something new. I just don't see that kind of corporate leadership anywhere else today...

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This is a myth. The iPhone wasn't a smartphone when it was introduced (and I don't think it is one today). St. Jobs didn't revolutionize anything. All he did was make people pay more for a basic feature phone by calling it a smartphone... and then having the media go wild because this so-called smartphone was so much easier to use than other smartphones. Almost as easy as a feature phone... oh, yes, because that's what it was.

All lies, no revolution.

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Who cares what it is. Feature phone smartphone feature phone. The important thing is what the user thinks. Jobs gave the world what they wanted, a phone with a big touchscreen, plus easy to use.

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Absolutely right. And yet, wrong. :)

Yes, Apple has never invented anything! St. Jobs was not a researcher; his interest was always in using technology, not creating it. :) And yet, that is exactly why he is the revolutionary guy. All these other companies are always trying to push the boundaries by getting the absolute latest bleeding-edge technology into a package and shoving it out the door the same day. And people will go for that -- even if the design is shoddy, even if the device falls apart in less than a year, people do like to have the latest tech in their hands.

With Apple (at least until recently), you NEVER got the latest tech in your hands. It takes time to craft a quality device, for certain when dealing with the level of quality Jobs demanded. His emphasis on the user interface design, on the simplicity of the device, on the polished ecosystem behind the device, was leaps and bounds beyond what any other phone manufacturer was doing at the time.

The Jobs philosophy has Apple competing on a quality user experience, rather than on features or price. And that is the revolution. That is what keeps people buying Apple products again and again, even when they are more expensive and less powerful than the competition. And, unfortunately, that's also why every "smart phone" today looks like an iPhone; other companies are now trying to compete with Apple by trying to become Apple, which is dumb. We're ending up with iPhone knock-offs that are neither as polished as the iPhone, nor as technically sophisticated as the good old bleeding-edge phones used to be.

Trying to shoehorn the latest tech goodies into a package with a minimalist UI like iOS has is just a recipe for a mess... :)

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Actually, Jobs just gave the world what Jobs wanted. It'd be nice to see some real iPhone alternatives out there, rather than just iPhone knock-offs... :)

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it revolutionized enough to the point that everyone is copying it. from packaging to stores, from customer service to ecosystem build. i think you are missing the point bro. revolutions come in many different forms and shapes

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