Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

@Estel. I'm having a hard time deciding what's right and what's wrong with you. I found #55 positive from you, but I didn't expect you would now embark on a fight with one of the VERY FEW people in this community who's actually DOING SOMETHING for the common good.

So I'd suggest you go back to your "people mean well" slogan, which I have nothing against with.

We have a problem here, and that problem is SD69 and the whole "the foundation is not a means but an end" game he seems to be playing. I may sound a bit radical (again), but at this moment I'm all for abandoning the Hildon Foundation and just creating a new one :)

The only problem would be getting the community-donated money back to the "real" foundation. I expect Rob would fight that as well. It's odd, but I always postponed my donation to the foundation. I donated directly to tech staff. That was quite "visionary" if you ask me :)

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

ROB, STOP TELLING ********!
Woody (Hildon Foundation BoD member) explained to us (MCC) that we shall align MCC and HFC rules, which we do via referendum. He also told us that we are already accepted/appointed as HFC. There's no "coup" going on, and we're not the gangsters you try to make us look like.
Your constant bashing and badmouthing council of doing "a coup" is extreme nonsense and only shows how you can't look over / beyond the edge of the plate you're sitting on and can't even communicate to your own BoD peers. And in all honesty, your behaviour makes your word less trustworthy and relevant for me and probably for others than woody's
>:-(
Also your "...protects the process for the benefit of all, and preserves a fair opportunity for other community members to be on the Hildon Foundation Council." is completely nonsensical, since... have you noticed that MCC (and YES, hifo council since according to at least 50% of BoD statements they are the same entity) will be elected in 3 weeks. So there IS your fair chance for everybody eligible to get into HFC. MCC and 66% of current HiFo moved on doing the right thing while leaving you behind since you were not able to have a meeting in >8 weeks. That's what's happening here.
Likewise rethink your BS about "secure the position for themselves", you're aware that election also means current council will vanish - if not re-elected BY COMMUNITY. It's your constant pushing to try and redefine all those facts and procedures according to your ideas, that makes a lot of community members think it's YOU who wants to secure YOUR position and decide who is in HFC and who's not


cheers
jOERG

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Yes, and this is something that's been needed for some time, regardless.

To be clear, I stated that it is my belief that at the original meeting, for which there are not minutes on the HiFo site, that this was addressed and approved. This would be the meeting during which the original elected Board was seated by the founders, and when the HiFo ByLaws were approved.

Agreed. Where this an "attempted coup", this is a poor time to do it, as the entire Council is on it way into elections, so those staging said coup will not be "in power" for more than a week or two at most.

I'm sickened by the fact that Rob continues to use the HiFo account and the website as his bully pulpit. More sickening is that moderation is enabled, and someone is selectively not approving comments, including one I made the day the article was posted.

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

1): Rob/Sd69

Right, my last post also "awaiting moderation" - another nasty practice only done by evil authoritarian entites that don't respect their community. Dear community, judge for yourself. I honestly hope all this will have an end for good, on Friday 19th. Then I'm tempted to organize these elections as my last act in maemo, since all this honestly is p*ssing me off. I just don't want to see maemo go bite the dust due to a (single member of) BoD that's paralyzing everything, for the "higher good" of staying in control instead of listening to community and actually helping maemo to flourish or at least age in honor. The solution would've been so simple: MMC not appointed as HFC? So what? Go ahead, appoint it (a second time), then HFC can provide rules for next election and everything groovy. But nooooo, that would be too simple.
Well, Woody already explained all that way better than I could.

ooh, on a sidenote, here's a copy of my post over at HiFo blog:
cheers
jOERG (who suddenly has late William Shatner on his mind, Boston Legal anybody?)

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Not that I want to throw more wood in the fire, but a few days ago you told me:

and

There's obviously somebody here attempting a coup, but it's coming from the Board.

Now this is very ironical. I tried to visit "http://hildonfoundation.org/news/" and this is what my employer proxy returns:

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Then don't,
take a breath and next time you think of circumventing forum's filter you should remember that there will be no mercy. And please, phrase your personal opinions not as facts!

(I'm replying to make sure all people get that I left the post alive as opinions wont be filtered)

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Maybe you guys should all chill out a bit - it's wonderful beergarden weather. Besides that, solely hanging out with some booze would bring about the same level of progress in certain areas as the community observed for the last weeks/months. :D
Sorry, but what i observe atm is just another FOSS project plagued (or maybe brought to near death) by stupid politics, nitpicking about words and power plays.
Whatever.

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

observe closer then, neither of the assumptions in your statement is correct [edit2](sorry, not all is incorrect. I fully agree on the beergarden weather ;-D )[/edit2]. The progress is, in particular, the scheduled BoD meeting on Friday, which will hopefully sort all that stuff for good. And - as already stated - all this has little to no impact on "the FOSS project" at large, techstaff and volunteers are on the safe side regarding that, the *only* thing that's at peril somehow right now is the contract with Nokia and subsequently the DNS "maemo.org" and "the FOSS project's" legal status when distributing Nokia closed blobs. All three not exactly something that could kill a lively FOSS project. [edit] I forgot about the donations/funds that donors of community transferred to HiFo and that's also under HiFo control and so far has been made very little use of and would have unclear status and future if HiFo would implode or whatever is worst case scenario of all this [/edit]
What it could kill though is volunteers' and techstaff's motivation and peace of mind, even their bank account when legal issues would ensue. So nothing *you* need to worry about, unless you feel with us.

cheers
jOERG

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Thanks to whomever talked Hthbe into unclosing this thread, seeing the amount of BS being spewed (yes, I did assume SD was the new Stalin at first, with so many respectable members of the community grabbing pitchforks, after second look, seems the 'party' is the other way around). Had no idea which rule was broken

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

consider this post deleted, since it's an answer to deleted posts. I have no idea who and why deleted them, so I won't delete mine (yet).

please stop spreading such unqualified nonsense (also in your previous lengthy post)!
Woody did a great job in helping to draft the bylaws and he been involved in inaugural HiFo, but for sure he didn't "pieced together a POS" - rather this been community teamwork over a timespan of months and finally got affirmation by a community referendum afaik. So your spitting poison here is very unpolite, inappropriate, uneducated, and damaging to community at large.
I don't even want to start dissecting *your* POS in #91 Or is #91 already too late? I wouldn't even know where to start on commenting and correcting all your BS, but I know where *you* should start: on #1 of this thread, then again at #1 of this thread, then read *all* the related threads. Then read this thread a THIRD time from beginning. Might help, though I wouldn't bet on it.

BR
jOERG

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

To simplify my reply (which was moderated): Any time a group of people is working on something together, all it takes is one bad actor to cause problems.

Just because you see one name again and again doesn't mean they're the only person, or the one in charge. :rolleyes:

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Untill now, I kept out of the political/community threads, because I'm a relative new member and I always felt like things are in good hands.
Both has changed now.

Wrong, bylaws were created by SD69, Woody just kept on reminding us that review, feedback and final acceptance are important.
No coup, no such guys, no scapegoat.

Exactly. What was the complaint again?

It's not, it is important and actually happening here thanks to the confident guys you're blaming. Think about it.

Your not summarizing the thread, you're misinterpreting it...

@HittheB: Thanks for reopening, deleting szopin's post is definetely the better choice.
This discussion is eminent, though OT with this threat title.
Please keep on putting the finger where it hurts the most, hopefully people (soon to be) in charge learn something.

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

You can bet on that! My first lesson: The show isn't over before the fat lady sung - IOW when etablishing a ruleset don't stop halfway, push through until the static end of the story. Appointment of HiFo BoD should never had happened without official public parallel appointment of HFC, and both entities shouldn't have been allowed to leave for weekend before the election rules been provided by HFC.

Oh, and thanks for your comment, much appreciated, also from "newcommers".

cheers
jOERG

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

To the topic of ByLaws: The ByLaws were a community effort. I facilitated that effort, and did the manual work of piecing in things that were not in the original draft. Things like even having elections, instead of self-appointment, and having a Council, just to name two examples.

For what it's worth, Rob was acting as legal council at the time. He did have input a couple times. In particular the last version has at least one change he noted was legally required after he reviewed it.

As for the "broken rule" issue, can you clarify what rule you believe has been broken?

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

In the by-laws thread we were srsly considering not bothering w/a council at one point, & just having the one body (some okay-ish arguments were put forward), I'm so glad now we didn't go that way.

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

did this thread close and reopened the again? How did that happen?

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

Pure magic

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

I need that power!

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

It's not magic, it was a MIRACLE!
http://global3.memecdn.com/its-a-miracle_c_1108673.jpg

Re: [Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski)
 

It was closed, cleaned up a hair, and brought back to a civil (if still somewhat off-topic) level by the moderator staff. Which was probably for the best, when re-examined after a good nights rest. :rolleyes:

It's easy to get angry/defensive when one perceives the words or acts of others as "attacks". I think what's desperately needed here (on all "sides") is a refocus on what the community needs and wants. Since in the end, that's what really matters.