Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

Definitely if I have the money and can find somewhere to ship it to Australia :)

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Sounds good. My only source of info was the Jolla Bosses statement.

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I won't buy a Jolla phone until I believe that I can take Jolla seriously as a company, since this is their first device, I will be keeping a close eye on them and see how they handle their devices (updates and all).. If it's Maemo/MeeGo all over again.. Then no thanks.. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..

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Exactly my thoughts. I don't want another dead-end phone.

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Specs posted:
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php

I'm not in a pre-order country, but I think I'm in for one. Stereo speakers clinched it, even if there is no hardware keyboard. I hope MartinK is cooking up a version of Modrana to work on it.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

Only if there'd be an HW keyboard. I still miss it on my N9, and an 'other half' with a slide out keyboard wouldn't be a bad idea :)

If there would come such a feature I'd definitely buy it.

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This is an entirely reasonable perspective and yet also interesting given the fact that with the standard life cycle of modern smart phones frequently being tied to the duration of the contracts that they may be acquired on and the actual hardware itself (be it specs or capabilities), most people move on after 18-24 months.
Certainly after sales support and updates are important, but what benchmark should we apply to Jolla?
The same as Nokia with the N900 or N9 (the n9 in my opinion, despite the "wontfix"es recieved a good level of support and many more updates than most Android handsets), the same as most android OEM's?
In the app-centric marketplace that the mobile space has become, I will be interested to see how Jolla manage the development and expansion of native apps. Having a viable and functional Dalvik layer is all good as a stop gap, but can't guarantee 100% integration with the core OS and shouldn't be seen as a replacement for development.

BB have invested a fortune recruiting and assisting devs and it has worked, certainly with regarding to rapidly building the numbers in their app store. Jolla has neither the funds or capability to do this and will have to rely on piggybacking on to existing conferences and hacker activities.
With Qt Developer Days not until the last quarter of the year, I expect to see a high level of interest there, but little time
beyond that, before christmas to build and deploy through a QA process to an app store/market front before release.
they'll certainly need more applications to support launch that what they have HERE right now

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II don't think of "dead end" in terms of a single device, more the manufacturer supported ecosystem around the device. I went from the N900 to an S3 as there clearly wasn't going to be anything to follow the N9.
Jolla gives me a way out of the droid he'll, and with the intention that in a few years time there will be something else to upgrade to.

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Stereo speakers are a pleasant detail which should have become a standard long ago. Nokia N900 has stereo loudspeaker, for one. N9/50, unfortunately, had non-stereo loudspeaker, at the bottom of the phone. Will Jolla phone have both noise-cancelling microphone and stereo-speakers?..
I would buy Jolla... If I had money for it and need for another phone. Right now:
I use N900 (with CSSU Testing) as mobile phone, camera, map, alarm clock, address book; the screen is heavily scratched, and the battery might have problems, after three years of usage;
my friend had recently got N950 (installed Nemo on it) and doesn't use it much, as phone or otherwise;
another good friend is used to small phones:
first one lost in sand and water, found later not-working, replaced with an identical device bought from the manufacturer;
soon, the new device had microphone problems after a fall, and is now used only as a camera;
an antiquarian [without camera] cellular telephone, dust-proof, water-proof, shock-proof, is in use now; but the charging-port plug has been lost for a long time, so water-proofness should not be put to test.
New device could have a place in our diverse family, but it should have very strong glass, and be shock-proof - be prepared to being used as child's toy:
flying in the air, thrown onto concrete or asphalt (in this regard, the bezel of N900 was very helpful), being buried in sand or floated in sea-lake-bathroom water,
drawn-on with graphite pencils, ballpoint pens, coal, wax pencils, chalk and crayons, wood and stones,
taking high-quality photographs, videos and sound recordings,
tracking geographical location, by any and all means possible,
working as flashlight, and if necessary, as siren,
being virtually impossible to destroy, turn off or lose - and yes, this requirement includes non-removable high-capacity battery.
Preferably, this device would also develop child's musical abilities by offering high-quality loudspeakers and excellent musical software.

About dead-end phones, a Chinese proverb:
Try to save the dead horse as if it is still alive.
Nothing is impossible.
Do the impossible, for it may truly be possible.

I do not get a mobile device and expect it to be regularly updated. I get a mobile device expecting it to be either a finished product, requiring no updates (I have such a personal digital assistant, gathering dust as a museum piece; fully workable, but it is not needed in these times of mobile computers with cellular radio), or an unfinished product which is extended and updated by the keen community.

Best wishes.
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Per aspera ad astra...

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Sure ! :) It is already working on Nemo Mobile, so making it work on Sailfish should be trivial. Also, thanks to THPs interesting solution, it is possible to make it use Silica & look native, while keeping the GUI code compatible with normal Qt Components used on other platforms. :)

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[Offtopic]
This is probadly NOT official specs. Probadly based on Rumors and guess.

For example I am not sure we will see all those closed crap video codecs supported on the phone because of patent issues.

"Sensors Accelerometer, proximity, compass"

Not official AFAIK

"Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator"

Since when???

[/Offtopic]

"NFC Yes"

Asked for this some days ago JollaHQ said "will be shared later" However its probadly IS true because of the other half.

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Updates depends of two factors:

1. If they success or not.(this is VERY important factor)

2. How much the cooperate with the open community. Right now it looks like they working very much upstream with merproject and nemo. (Just take a look at the github and you see alot :)

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What exactly is a dead end phone? I have been using various phones the last couple of years and I can't say I have seen much better support. I have three androids in my family stuck to 2.1 2.2 and 2.3 respectively, all newer than the N900. Symbia phones of the same era are stuck to the horrible s60v5. Only apple supports 3 generations, but the downside to that is that afterwards they kill them with fire. It's virtually impossible even for the developer to support iPhone 3g right now as there isn't even any target in the sdk. And with the closed ecosystem the user isn't even able to hack his own solutions. On the contrary, when evernote changed API somebody promptly jumped in and fixed qvernote for the N900.

My point is, grass isn't always greener on the other side.

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Dudes, I don't know whether this was already commented, but the description for pre-orders at http://join.jolla.com has changed. Especially for 100€ choice, there is NO MENTION of the OH, except in the title (I think they have not changed, but they will). Maybe the limited time period already expired? I wonder if Dave got his pre-order placed.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

@jollahq just tweet there will be some news comming week

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What makes a phone alive? APPS

An alive phone has an app for everything and major software companies are making hundreds of apps for it.

When would we decide if the Jolla's phone is an alive phone and not a dead-end phone? when it has an app for *everything*. Official apps for twitter, facebook, instagram, whatsapp, vibe, line, etc. When there are thousand of (good) games available. When your banks are releasing online-banking apps for your phone, etc. That's an alive phone.

The N900 was dead a year after it was released and the N9 was dead even before its release. I don't buy phones every 18 months and I don't want to. I want my phone to last 5 years. Since smartphones came in I had a Palm Treo for around 5 years, then a Palm Centro for another 5 years, and now I have the N900 for the last 4 years and I will change it next year for something that will last another 5 years.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

So you will buy Lumia 1000 and have it 5 years :eek:

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I think i'm gonna buy a N950 and flash it with a Sailfish image. That will make me happy. Love the phone, dual-boot with two awesome OSes.

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I need fully Linux and full multitasking.

Lumias are beautiful devices. If you ever get one in your hands you'll see they are gorgeous.

But then you install an SSH Client. Connect, you receive a message, switch application, answer the message, go back to the SSH Session: connection dropped. You can't switch your SSH application without disconnecting.

That's why I can't get a Lumia.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

Maybe I'll buy the Jolla phone, but not sure and if I buy it probably I'll wait until a certain time after it gets released.
Right now I'm more than happy with the N900 as main and daily phone. Not even the N9 has achieved replace it. N9 is great and I love Meego and is fast, beautiful and swiping is fantastic, but N900 is perfect for me, and with applications as Yappari, Pierogi, QDL etc etc receiving updates I don't think i am going to replace it in a long time.

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I beg to disagree on that. AFAIK most apps are irrelevant.
What a device needs is some basic applications like phone, SMS/MMS, web browser, email, camera, maps/navigation, in that order. These should all be user replaceable.
The real killer application is a console with access to the device internal functionality and set of scripting languages.

Who needs these thousands of applications, really?

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Absolutely true. Just give me a proper fast web browser, so I won't need any stupid app for doing some task that can be perfectly done through a web page. About a month ago I read somewhere on TMO: "apps were invented for phones which can't really interact with the web properly" (read, iphones and androids).

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I do not agree.

For instance I never use camera, maps or navigation. A camera phone in my opinion is just for documentation (like taking a picture to remember something you want to buy or a page of a user's manual), not for real photos.

Nobody is sending SMS/MMS anymore. The last time I received an MMS was in 2008. Proper IM apps are the most important thing a phone should have after making calls and before web browsing and email.

Sadly and I'm even ashamed to say this, a phone without at least GTalk, Skype and WhatsApp is already a dead phone.

Just look around you. When you see somebody using a phone is either typing a message or making/receiving a call. Also checking their Twitter and Facebook accounts (though they could do this through a web browser). They just browse the web when they are bored. I think I fire up my browser in the N900 once a week, and just because of boredom, but I'm typing messages all the time.

Jolla can't make a phone just for the geeks, because it's destined to fail. They need to make a phone appealing to everybody not only 50.000 hungry nerds. Otherwise the phone will be dead. This is a business.

I'm sure the numbers Jolla must be looking is that there are 500 million of iOS devices in the world turned on as we speak instead of ~60.000 N900/N9 turned on right now. This is BUSINESS not a device to make geeks happy.

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I think 497 million out of those 500 are either a fashion statement, or like "i went to the shop and a sales guy told me this phone is the best phone", or sort of "if i don't have iphone, my mates who have it will think that i am a looser and can't afford it" (so he sign himself up to 24 month contract with 50€ a month and paying 300 euro for the phone itself, just to do the same when a new "the best ever" hits the shelves), or kinda "i have ipod, so i must have imac and i phone, because those are syncing good between them, thus i won't need any brain to solve any possible trouble that might happen elsewhere", etc. Basically, these isheep would be happy with asha phones, if only those bear bitten apple logo and ridiculous price tag. I really mean it, what doesn't do asha that average isheep looks for in iphone?

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Yeah I hope Camera is one they fokus on. Light etc...
Also email, contacts and calendar is stuff should be fokus.

Zillion apps is just ridicilous and for kids who has no life and must test new apps 10 days/day the be coolest kid in town.

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I'm so sorry our preference differ.

I have never used GTalk, WhatsApp or Facebook. I do not even know what these really are. Skype I have used looooong time ago, on a computer.
I do not know what are your "proper IM apps", but I do use IRC from console :D

On the other hand, I do use camera fairly often when I need to take picture on something for later reference. For real photography, I use a SLR.

SMS'es I write several each day. MMS'es few a week. Same goes for email, few mails per day.
Browser is absolutely the most useful application, I'll fire it up few times per hour on any normal day.
Navigation, it's essential. Could not find my way around cities without it.
Ah, one I forgot, (but it's related to navigation), tracking my running distances on MeeTrainer.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

Well there's one thing missing from Ashas, and that's GPS.
I don't really know if iSheep use navigation, though :D

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Really? Then I, all my family (dispersed across three countries) and pretty much everyone I know personally must be in the minority. With these people, I hardly ever exchange anything other than an SMS. By phone, that is ;)

I've heard that it is different in the US, but in Europe texting (communicating via SMS) is very popular.

I would agree on MMS though. Never used it in my life. Nor have I ever used any other WAP feature.

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In this side of the planet it's like this:

Half of the mobile users have Androids, the other half have iPhones.

The iPhones users chat between them using FaceTime or iMessage.

Android users chat between them using GTalk.

To chat between platforms they use WhatsApp. Sometimes they even use WhatsApp to chat to another user with the same OS.

WhatsApp have more users than twitter right now:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/16/wha...essages-daily/

People using PCs chat through AIM or MSN. Since MSN died, they use Skype now.

SMS are for banks and bills now. If I receive an SMS is because I haven't paid something or because I did (I used my debit/credit card and then I receive an SMS about it). I rarely receive an SMS from a non-automated source.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

this is true here ( but there is some % of nokia symbian/asha but android is the half ) and since whatsapp became mainstream nobody use sms anymore .

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Like mikecomputing said, GSMArena is shitty with their spec list. When device is released they just wanna get the phone on their list and fill it with 3rd party spec list and speculation.

Not to say they are wrong, but they are sourcing the information from the same places as we are. We likely here being a bit more on the Jolla pulse than they.

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If you just want an Emacs-capable phone, right.

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Yes.

Agreed.

Yeah, that will help you in every case - especially, if you want to do something common very quick. O. M . G. ... that's screaming hackjobs all over. Way to go if you just want some quick results; just develop some scripts while you are waiting for the bus.

I do. We are a _very_ different target demographic.

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Nobody is quite a broad term. I honestly know 2 people who use whatsapp daily, rest have likely never even heard about these services on their 500-600 euros smartphones.

I'm sure the younger you are, more you see whatsapp and the likes used, but in my age group (~born 89) non of my friends or uni buddies communicate with whatsapp or similar. Let alone my uncles, parents etc that in the end are the ones truly spending money.

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I am happy we DO agree on at least this level :D
And let's hope that Jolla will carter to needs of both of us.

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yes nobody is broad term but for around 80-90% less sms usage after whatsapp became mainstream(2011-2012 )b ( there is a number officialy released but it's off my memory ) and I'm born in 93 it's not that far from your age group and now even my uncles/aunts/ that group of age are starting to use whatsapp :)

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That must be it. I am 40+ and this thread was the first time I've even heard about whatsit. My SMS-using friends and family are similar dinosaurs.

It may also depend on your calling plan. Pretty much everyone I know is on PAYG (pay as you go = pre-paid). Nobody is on a monthly contract.

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I was born in 1975 and that's not the case. Every one around me from my age use WhatsApp. Some older guys also use Blackberry Messenger but they still use WhatsApp.

SMS is not free. WhatsApp messages are free (or were free until recently). Data plan is way cheaper here than an SMS plan.

Maybe in Europe SMS is 100% free? WhatsApp became mainstream because it's kinda free (not anymore though).

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What are gonna do should Whatsapp guys shut down their service and servers and fly to Bahamas?
Because that's one big issue with the app-ified vision: when you switch from industry/open standards to proprietary applications and protocols, you rely your connectivity to a single private company.

Besides, here in Europe some operators are indeed offering packages with a certain amount of 'free SMS' per month.

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What people do? Move to another FREE (not necessary OpenSource) solution, like Vibe, Line, etc. In less than a week the whole world would be chatting using something else. It has happened before: how do you think the whole world moved TO WhatsApp in the first place?

People don't care about OpenSource things. If it's free it's ok. Most people don't really understand about OpenSource or propietary protocol. They just care if it's free or if they have to pay for it.

Actually you'll see it again: WhatsApp is charging for their service, so it's destined to fail. I don't think they will survive another year.

Re: Will you buy the Jolla phone?
 

I'll more than likely invest in one. Although I'm a little apprehensive about the snap-on covers. Will we be carrying dozens of little plastic covers when we are out and about?
They've already announced their first design change in that the production run will have a smaller bezel. They've kept the screen size, so it means a slightly smaller case.