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Apple's marketshare has fallen over the last twelve months as has their share price, they need to employ Elop to save them before it's too late.

For now Apple can continue to sell their Taliban phones to the ignorant uneducated underclasses of the UK and USA but they can't release beta devices like that and expect to compete with Google's big boy in more discerning markets.

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I think people get you. The fool of the court, full of follies and colorful stories. Sorry for Symbian bud. It had to go.

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That's actually a good example. Symbian is dead and it is easy to call it a failure until you realize for how long it had ruled and compare it to curent rulers.

Sorry, but WP is not one of them. Although it has been around for long enough to start ruling. If only it had the potential.

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I really dont care who rules or doesnt. I currently like WP8. Suits my dependance on reliable email, calendar and i can open any document with ease, plus use great NOKIA hardware. I am sure the future will see much change in the current line up.

But lets go back to WP for a sec. Its taking them billions of dollars and more to have small market share. You need deep pockets in this game. Jolla doesnt have it.

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Deep pockets if you go the traditional route. What if somebody comes in and introduces something different?

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What do you see different in Jolla?

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About the same difference(s) as I see in Windows Phone.

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Lol. That is pretty minimal then.

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So you say.

But that's enough to garner 3% of the total smartphone market in Microsoft's case to continue on. That's quite a haul for a smaller company if that happens for Jolla.

Again, think in terms applicable to Jolla. They don't have to sell as many iPhones as Apple to be considered a success.

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That' because WP8 is a stinking turd.


They don't have the stinking turd issue either.

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Don't be foolish. If they sell 100k, they will be happy

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WP8 is much better than anything Nokia produced

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Microsoft has this image problem;
People are fed up in using windows, but it is so ubiquous it is difficult to have an alternative for your computer OS.
Macs are seen as good alternative but perceived to be pricey, even as not always true.
Linux is seen as geeky and difficult, even as not always true.

But phones are not PC's, and there are alternatives.
And when there are alternatives, why would you want windows on your phone??
Of course advertising with multimillion dollar budgets helps a bit, people are always susceptible to advertising but that can only go so far.
Now that Lumia brand is no longer Nokia but fully Microsoft I expect WP sales which were always almost fully Nokia sales to dwindle pretty low...

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People always like alternatives. But they like viable alternatives, not the ones that will handicap their current user experience.

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I noticed a bit of doublespeak noticed here. Microsoft has yet to gather popular support from the software vendors - so that's a handicapped experience if you transfer over to that platform expecting, for instance, Instragram (official).

There's others. But I know your response. Jolla is in the same boat. No ****. But it seems as if you are saying that WP8 has more to offer. It truly doesn't.

Folks do love alternatives. So why not consider Jolla an alternative for folks that don't view iOS and Android and WP as you do.

Once you drop your egocentric tendencies and look at it via their stances, you might find that a lot of folks want a device that works how they want it to work - and Jolla might be just that.

Stranger things have happened.

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You're right there, It'll be great when a viable alternative to Android hits the market.

The mediocrity of iOS and WP8 has resulted in Android taking 80% of the smartphone market despite only being acceptable not exceptional.

Sailfish OS and Ubuntu Touch are badly needed to end the stagnation we're currently experiencing.

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Absolutely. Alternatives are great. Jolla all the way!

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I am not sure where you got this egocentric thing....it has to do spending moneys on Maemo and harmattan devices that didn't deliver personally for me. I am not sure Jolla will deliver either but I will wait and see the reviews. I am sure there will be many

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The question Is what os that can difference the most. Firefox,jolla, tizen or Ubuntu.

What's your take on that.

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Because you're not looking at Jolla - or any non-iOS/Android/WP release - as anything but it has to be on the same level of accomplishment(s) and sales as the aforesaid platforms.

Some things actually start small. Android did - remember how craptastic the G1 was? They've gotten better it seems.

Sad part, I actually agree with you more than you'd know. Maemo and MeeGo were a promise of a better future. Nokia stood in the way of that before Elop and during Elop's reign. Previously it was because of OPK and Symbian, then it was due to politics and Symbian, and while Elop was killing Symbian, he also killed MeeGo Harmattan.

Jolla just may provide what Harmattan "all grown up" might have become. Or it just might be a flash in the pan and whither away like SavaJe and Neonode did. Who knows man... but as it stands, I'm keeping an open mind, looking at this from all angles.

Thus, the egocentric comment from before. I don't think you're doing that. Perhaps you are and I just can't see it - don't mind being wrong.

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jolla is not differentiating. we must buy wp.

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I think the way Ubuntu has the quick links along the left edge is a bad idea, most people are right handed and will have to stretch their thumb across the screen to the far edge. Imo that will be an irritant. They need to make that user adjustable which is something they don't seem to have done on the desktop.

More of Jolla's gestures seem to be from the right edge or screen centre which is more comfortable. The videos of Sailfish OS also look slick even though it's running on old hardware. To my eye Sailfish OS looks far better than anything currently available.

Hopefully Canonical and/or Jolla will give Pyside a little attention as they're both using Qt.

From what I've seen of Tizen so far it looks just like Android + Touchwiz only slower. Enlightenment is a damn fast desktop and I know there are Python bindings for EFL, I've had a little play with them on Bodhi Linux. I would love to see Python + EFL be offered as an alternative to HTML5 or the Bada API for developing apps for Tizen.

Firefox OS - I want it to succeed but in honesty I think I'd rather have any of the above.

To see Linux based operating systems where Python is only offered as an afterthought, if at all, is rather disappointing, it should be front and centre.

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Well you say its complicated yet my cousin who was only 3 was able to use an N9, anybody that got there hands on it, all I ever said was you just need to swipe away, and they instantly picked it up.

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Android has swipe app/how screen. Left right.

N9 has swipe. BlackBerry.

How will jolla make sure their swipe is the best...

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BB10 & Android, even iOS 7 to an extent - these are not implemented the same as Harmattan.

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they are all a bit different. But what I mean is more. what will be Jolla's trademark when it comes to swipe.

I'm not sure n9 swipe is so nice on a bigger screen. Especially swipe down to close.

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I doubt the main draw to Sailfish will be the usage of swipe. It's all about ease of use in the main applications. Think deeper - and you'll see what I mean.

I think people are just stopping at things that interest them. Lumiaman is looking at small parts that may interest him - whereas the majority doesn't seem to enthuse him at all - and you're concentrating on the swipe.

Look at it as a whole OS. And then see where they might be different not only in UI/UX but also in terms of how you actually use and expect a phone to behave.

Swipe is just one part man. The rest, speculation at the moment.

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When you don't differentiate...this is what happens:

http://mobile.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24332354

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So... that explains Microsoft. BB is failing due to their own hubris.

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I liked the way you flicked apps off the top of the screen in WebOS. That's a proper close gesture.

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I would rather close app with a quick latitude drop 45 degrees to left to close app.