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You can't even begin thinking about a self-sustaining ecosystem until we have transactions / tipping in the app store, and have had it for some time. Unfortunately, a huge amount of time and goodwill will have evaporated by the time it appears. Alien Dalvik (or other ACL) is absolutely mandatory for the vast majority of users.

Besides, it's not just apps we're missing, there's still very basic functionality missing (not even on the level of cal/cardav). The browser STILL can't log in to browser based wifi (you have to use a 3rd party browser), which is just hilariously bad and tends to suggest that Jolla employees barely use Sailfish outside their offices. Maybe when Jolla finally feel ready to fix stuff like this, people might be more willing to use it as a primary OS and even develop for it.

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Yes there are issues waiting to be fixed in the Jolla ecosystem. But things are not that bad. Ok, some pieces of software are missing, but I can live with that.

Last week, I exchanged some mails with a Jolla dev to help them to fix a bug around Google contacts sync. And finally, the bug is fixed.

Give me just one other manufacturer you can do the same thing with ! Of course, others may not have the same basics bugs, but they're small, I have no doubt they're doing their best, and it's pretty good imho.

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Great...
Could you send a mail to that Dev to fix Exchange so you dont need to delete account when changing settings like password?

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If this is a problem for you can't you do it yourself?
I'd imagine you can best describe your own bugs rather than rely on 3rd parties to pass the message...

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I do not know Dave's background so I cannot answer for him but based on other people's reports and my own experience, I can assume the following:

- So many bug reports sent to Jolla via the "official" channels have gone down the black hole with no reaction whatsoever that people have given up on those channels.
- Here is someone who claims to have a direct link to someone inside Jolla, thus with a hope to bypass those useless channels and actually get some reaction.
- Why not seize the opportunity?

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If a know the dev I would send it to him...myself. Plus, I don't like to interact with jolla directly, only via TMO. It no point contact jolla really :D

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While Jolla has publicly announced that they check this forum in addition to IRC and the dev mailing list, know that the official way of reporting issues is TJC. So, if you don't do it there, then you have to wait patiently, but most importantly you lose the right to complain about Jolla being slow at implementing xyz.

A lot of issues in TJC have been addressed - I personally raised a few and most if not all of them are already fixed. Of course YMMV and this depends on the complexity of the request, but TJC does work. I don't know that the competition has anything similar to be honest, and that's one of the reasons I don't get another phone.

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I never lose the right to complain :D plus, I never expect jolla to fix their OS either. I just hope that one day, they Will come up With something useful...until Then Im here, waiting, testing, judging...and waiting for update...sorry, upgrade 12.

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Guys, I won't give this dev email, just because I don't think it's the right thing to do.

In my specific case, he just answered on a TJC report, asking for some logs, then he sent me an email asking for a bit of help to diagnose, which I did with pleasure.

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there is, they can't redistribute the binaries, hence why they can't create a complete image to "flash".

My idea is that the flasher tool pulls the binaries from the device itself and then proceeds to build an image and flash it.

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This works just fine for me.

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Today it's new marketing strategy to show they care about you. Many companies answering and helping you even over twitter, it's good for their image after all they sell not only product, but image and label, which adds up to product if they gain popularity.

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Tjc is a mess and a lot of voted by many threads are still hanging, so like someone above says, some things go to black hole. I understand it's resources, but on other hand proper Bugzilla and more opensource can only help them.

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they have internal bugzilla of course

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Sailfish goes africa...Namibia. How much is 5200 NAD...well, its $432.20

https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/upl...2015_FINAL.PDF

Anyway, anyone from Namibia here? Raise your hand...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V2F4eo8WiQ...%2BNamibia.jpg

Now...give me this update. Its already late. :D

I hear the drums echoing tonight...

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a3011e...5543f20dc6.jpg

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5200 NAD is 399 Euros

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Both numbers are ridiculous.

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Why? 399 Euros is price of Jolla at the start.

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Maybe becouse Its not in sync With Big Mac index...or PPP...? Or could it be that its an Old hw sold as new? Or is IT including some some data/call plans? Or maybe Its just personal opinion?

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€400 was ridiculous even when Jolla was brand new. In the affluent part of the world. Charging the same 16 months later, in a less well-off part of the world, for a phone whose hardware was outdated on the day it was first released, sounds like a bad joke.

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Maybe there is the same sort of a ridiculous electronics import tax like what some south-American countries have ? Also I guess that it might be more expensive to handle warranty and general support all the way to Africa.

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how much does a motog 3G first-gen cost in Namibea?

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Friday today 1 week before Easter.. So, let's see what happens till the end of the day. I believe it is good timing for getting the opt-in release out. :)

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If you do complain you'll

a) have a phalanx of fanboys attack you for not sucking Jolla's bottom.

b) be banned for robustly defending your position.

I think pretty much all the issues I raised in December 2013/Jan 2014 are still unfixed, including Dave's issue with having to delete accounts to change settings if you got them wrong the first time.

16 months with a broken buteo sync framework, no working caldav, carddav, broken Exchange, broken Google Sync. It was one of the top issues voted for on TJC but not the easiest to fix.

TJC is massively broken. I wonder how much time is wasted pandering to the 'community' on minor issues instead of fixing the blockbusters.

And it's one of the reasons why my main phone is now an Android phone. Jolla are rudderless and relying on their community to steer is not working.

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Wait, I thought they were already in Namibia many months ago?
Or is this just the 1st time they've stitched up a deal with telcos in Namib, whereas before it was just retail sales?

This's actually prolly a very critical point, one they need to "go back to basics" on.
I'm not sure they must go as far as completely dismantling the model they have, but certainly there could be some heavy tinkering.

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last year they announed we are in namibia. stay tuned for more news...

time pass
every 60 sec in africa a minute passes...
more time pass

and then, finally the news came yesterday :D

sale starts tomorrow!

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So who added the dave999=troll tag to this thread? I don't consider him a troll. Maybe overly engaged but not a troll. Plus it's just not very nice to tag someone like this.

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not me, but i'm agree he is really a troll.

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I agree too, but he's more of a light-hearted/silly troll...
Plus those tags just aren't conducive to a more relaxed env, I agree, so I've removed them.

Pretty sure that's not right, pretty sure they did actually start selling some time last year.
AFAICT this latest development, is just about a tie-up with a telco...

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I'm more of a cheerleader for new devices, and software updates. Rock on weather you think I'm a troll or not. Be nice, and keep on rockin in a free world.


to me this seems to be the launch?
https://jolla.com/na/

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Prolly an attempt to reboot sales by feigning a "teh awesome new launch!"

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You were one hard customer to convince :)

If you looked at the link i posted above. The text has changed. Its now stating a date.

This is how it looked before, from first announcement last year until now.
http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content...366.jpg?92f2c5

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If correct... it certainly took them long enough....
I pinged them about it on Twitter several hours back, but they routinely ignore me on Twitter nowadays -so I doubt I'll get an explanation.

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6 month...But It would always be nice with a comment from jolla so if you hear something back. post it here.

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what is said about sail 2.0? will tablet be delivered with that and pushed to phone the same time?

if so update 12 must come fo all during this week if we shall get sail 2.0 in end of may. this is based on jollas latest upgrade speed. they need more and more time to get the release to us.

usually its approx 3 weeks between optin and real release and 2+ month between the optins...best mightbe to bandle sail 12 and sail2.0 and release it early may.

would also be nice we separate opt in option for tablet so you can decide what device(phone and/or tablet) you want to try early release on. any words on that from jolla?

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You don't have to accept the opt-in, Dave. Like I do on one of my two phones sharing the same account.

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2.0 would be so awesome to have on the Jolla Phone right now even in its current dev state :) (well, at least for opt-in users)

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2.0 for nexus 5 please

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Anyone else got the notification?

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of what ? New sailfish update ?