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Re: Waited 1 year for N900, but some more days of tinkering may be required
Use HAM....please
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Hi, sorry to be late (didn't see the 9th page of the thread)
@endsormeans: what is HAM ? @peterleinchen: I tried in normal terminal: sudo apt-get install XXX it asked for password, what is this password ? I tried 12345 (the phone password) but it didn't work. then I made the command: sudo gainroot then I tried: apt-get install XXX it responded me about the locks /var/... and all (saying I'm not in the sudoers which would be normal) that's why I tried sudo in the superuser console. When I talked about autonomy, I was talking about the fact that those phones are said to not last long on batteries, however I was wrong, the phone went from 3 pixels down to no battery a few minutes after I wrote that, then I had the same charging problem as before, I belive there is a real problem: The phone is charged, I use it, the battery reaches the low battery point, I try to charge the device, it works then it says "charge defect", I belive the battery continues to get down and the phone shuts off, I try to plug it on usb but the led bliks yellow, sometimes the phone vibrates and the NOKIA screen come up with a USB logo on the top-right corner then it goes back to nothing, then it vibrates and show the NOKIA screen again. Do you hahve any ideas what it could be ? because it's been two days without phone for me and I'm hesitating of putting back my SIM card in my ancient phone. Thanks in advance |
Re: Waited 1 year for N900, but some more days of tinkering may be required
It's the app. man. ...the application manager.
I do not suggest as a newmo (new maemo member) (TM-patent pending) you mess with apt-get. Not yet anyway. Anything you need to install uninstall is available in your application manager. I suggest configuring your catalogues... disabling all of them and then connect via interwebz to maemo-repos.com and at the bottom installing and enabling all the available repos for the n900... (extras dev and extras testing are needed only if you know what you are doing and know what you need....so installing them and then disabling them ...until needed...is suggested...) as far as your batt. issue goes. Do the breakdown . Sane approach. The most affordable, least invasive, least time consuming method 1st. 1- get a new battery. In fact ...get a few new batteries...backup batteries never hurt. if the new batt displays the same problems...(your description is reflective of a battery that has had it...not an internal device problem...although nothing can ever be ruled out...nor should be ruled out...but let us hope at this point it is your battery...) then...it is good news bad news 2- bad news...it is an internal device or battery drainage issue...which needs puzzling out...whether that means logged outputs of where the drain is coming from...or worse...some disassembly required (I would hope not..) ... good news ...it isn't your batteries! yay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waRq6ZR7BNE Hope I made that 2nd scenario sound better than it could end up... Anyway ... get new batts first... THEN take things from there... |
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I support endsormeans's advice about HAM (the application manager 'app').
Because it sounds weird what you explain about using apt-get and sudo. If you really want to mess up: root password is default to 'rootme' apt will not work when HAM (or other apt processes) lock when you are in a root shell (after 'sudo gainroot' or 'root') apt has to work without pre-sudoing when in a user shell the sudo will not work as apt-get is not configured in the sudoers file go and figure |
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There is another argument for using HAM*). Maemo has all sorts of weird dependencies between packages and HAM has a built-in knowledge about those which makes it safer to use than alternatives. Yes, it is painfully slow but I second the suggestion to stick to it, at least at the beginning.
I also second ensormeans' answer regarding your battery problems. It sounds like a dead battery. It is very common for old batteries to hold the charge for just a few minutes. Get a new one or three. *) HAM = Hildon Application Manager, the official name for "App Manager", as it is shown in the application menu. |
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A battery can be 'dead' (or almost) but keeping device alive for hours.
Mine (actually used) holds a whole day. But if I use 3G internet it may happen that it shuts down unexpectedly. And after reboot it holds'til the evening (not using 3G anymore). So I call mine 'almost dead' (but keep using it :)) ... |
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Not to mention that some nazmi's posts are somewhat contradictory or at least confusing. It may be just me but I've lost track so please forgive me if I speak from the wrong orifice.
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i didnt read the thread properly its late here
cherry can be removed cutetube for youtube videos operamini for fb or news/article reading with a gazzilion tabs and multiple instances get a 1500mah battrey and never complain about 3g as battrey life in 3g is crazy depends upon bandwith used distance from base etc no need to use maemo.org applet as ham is ok or you can use maemo.org to install the same 720p works to some extent but i say dont bother with it at the moment better convert your videos which you like to watch on n900 for maps try modrana its good and updated if you can handle it i.e works nice but when i switched it felt like a new operating system to me frankly use the terminal for stuff you cant manage with ham as you are new and yes the terminal is fine like a dextop unup works i need to look how my n900 manages it hostmode can be installed from ham and it works too just less bandwith if you plan to transfer large files install openmedia player from ham as i feel its better than the stock one for hotspot if you need use qtmobilehotspot install opera mobile works nice on many sites but if you need stuff like bluemaemo its better to install it in freshly flashed system as installing it is a headache afterwards but before all that do a full flash and upgrade to cssu stable or testing as there are a lot of updates and very noticeable improvents to stuff like ham most important ask clearly whatever you ask so that willing people enjoy helping you thanx good night |
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Hi,
sorry to answer late but I lost my answer yesterday and didn't have the courage to retype everything. Thanks for the explanations about what is HAM, ok I see what it is, I will use it. For the repos, I already removed the Nokia obsolete ones and added (or maybe it was when I installed the CSSU) the ones from maemo.org Ok for the password for root, I'll see all of that when I can start the phone again. So, I think you're right pichlo (and the others), we got lost a bit, to sum up everything the problems at the moment: 1.Charging issues 2."noob" questions 3."Making a good setup" questions So, I indeed have 3 batteries, one from the first N900 (bought in paris), this one is dead (30' of autonomy max), then there is the battery bought off ebay, this one is new, holds charge well (almost two days of normal use), and the last one, the battery from t-b's N900, this one supported one full day of intense use (Bluetooth, Wifi and 3.5G modem were enabled at some moments), there used to be no problem with charged batteries, however I'm having some difficulties starting the phone at the moment. To charge all those batteries, I have the internal N900 charger that worked one time with a usb/µusb charging only cable plugged to my PC, all the others times, either the N900 freezes and shut down with display problems either it shows a NOKIA boot screen with no backlight and the status led blinking yellow (but not charging). I also have TP4056 lithium battery chargers, they work well with some wires and alligator clips. I'll charge all the two working batteries I have to full potential and I'll test the N900 again because I'm getting worried about that, I'll also try to find a good quality charger, something like 5V 1A, I belive I have some in the basement So I hope it was understandable and concise |
Re: Waited 1 year for N900, but some more days of tinkering may be required
Ok.
I think there is a slight comm issue here. Good.- You understand ham is there...use it until you read whatever pertinent write-ups by whomever on whatever stating "use apt" or the command line in xterm or whatever. Then follow their screw-up-proof instructions EXACTLY... if whatever you wish to do could burn you...don't do it. Until you are super-savvy and feel comfortable with understanding exactly the instructions whomsoever is giving...THEN go for it. Otherwise stick to ham for a while.. Questionably so-so .- I did not say repos from maemo.org. (although nothing wrong with them) I said maemo-repos.com all the cat.'s you need...even the gone - obsoleted nokia ones (if you need anything from them) are there highlit in blue...ready to click-install. Bad ...very very very bad - I do not suggest in any way ever... charging batteries in a method that hasn't been thoroughly tested, approved and recommended. Get proper bl5j batteries. Get proper bl5j chargers. Very simple. I personally would never use anything else for the possibility of ruining the battery and harming the device Actually on the topic of charging... slightly off (immediate) topic... I just recently ran into this. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Kaito-KA720-A...QAAOSwymxVQsjR which seems quite smart... since standard wind-up chargers are very sketchy when it is a must in keeping the cranking consistent to provide the charge properly...(something which made me shy away from such chargers since playing with one...) this charger stores the cranked charge in an onboard internal batt. for use when needed... a much better and safer method of charge transference in my opinion. |
Re: Waited 1 year for N900, but some more days of tinkering may be required
I have great use of an external charger that charges the battery directly, outside the phone
http://Talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=30 |
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yeah...
uboc's are great. love mine. |
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Fine overview nazmi, that helps.
I have no idea what a good or bad charger is for your N900. I just play it safe (like endsormeans) and use the default Nokia charger. When I buy a 2nd hand phone, after playing around with it for a while, I always flash the device. That is to bring the device into the 'factory' state. Then you can at least rule out software as a (contributing) cause of an issue. |
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It is the "Faster Application Manager" Indeed much faster than HAM and with some nice features, thou as fellow mewmo* i would need your all explanaition to why that is... Is Fapman only a shrunk down UI to the same features HAM uses or how is the speed increase achieved? *(TM) endsormeans |
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1stly-...
to all maemoans... Newmo (TM-patent pending) is cool to refer to without all the mumbojumbo...ie- the tm patentpending blablabla... but ONLY by maemo members... Nonmo's (TM-patent pending) (definition- someone who isn't a maemo member at all...essentially the rest of humanity..) MOST definitely had better add that lil' tm sumthin-sumthin at the end of any mention of newmo's or now nonmo's (TM- patent pending) (too many freakin new terms...) :D Fap is great... but I know from my time using it ... It can be problematic.... haven't used it for a while now... unless those issues have been fixed.. I wouldn't bother... take the time and install stuff properly... no big rush... hence I suggest ham. same goes for the suggestion to use class 4 cards instead of class 10 cards... sure class 10 is quick... but it isn't better than a class 4. I find the class 4 better for reading and writing to. There are many threads here talking about the topic. |
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I know I know...
bloody heretical I am :D can't say I haven't enjoyed the "need for speed" with fap... but the windburn I get ends up with me crashing and burning... or it used to anyway.. haven't used fap in some time now... maybes it be all betterses now ...huh? could be... someone want to test the piranha infested fap waters with their unit? Me ... I'm keeping my unit firmly zipped up in mah pants and goin' no where near that pool with mah unit danglin' out..thas fur shur :D |
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whats with the charging issue ?
did you flash the phone ? if so did you flash emmc too ? san you connect the phone to pc via usb cable in mass storage mode and transfer files ? what exactly you are using to charge the battries inside your n900 i.e the normal way via a wall outlet ? model of the charger or better is it 1amps ? lastly observe the notification led while you plug in a charger and tell us the pattern also do you have acces to a multimeter as you comfortably put to use crocodile clips to charge your battries externally. All this to diagonise your charging problem precisely . answer them in sequence. thanks |
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so,
about HAM, it's fine for me, I used either hildon and maemo.org app without problems until the battery problems, and I think I'll continue (however Fap could be cool to test too) the charging issue, I'm still stuck with it, I'm charging the batteries again and I'll see when I have all of them at 4.2V (one of them is a 4V for the moment) I did not flash it (I planned to do so but the USB problems prevented me to do so) nor the emmc mass storage mode, it worked for five seconds (the phone asked what mode it should enable) and after that, it shut off. I used three devices, two with internal charger: a port on my PC and a 500mA charger (a bit crappy) and also the TP4056 external lithium charger. the notification led, it's a bit random but either it stays yellow, either it blinks yellow or sometimes it lights up a tiny little bit red, that's when the phone is off. When it's on, it says "charge defect" or it get stuck and shuts off. About the multimeter, I have one (standard 30$ model, decent but nothing fancy), I also have an almost complete electronics "lab" (but I'm not much in this kind of tiny electronic devices (I'm starting at soldering SMT simple components, that's the most advanced I can do for the moment) |
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I just charged all the batteries I have, firstly the phone didn't want to wake up, then I started unscrewing the LCD, while holding the battery with one hand, I pressed the on button, the phone booted fine one/two times, when I screwed everything back, it didn't want to get on.
Conclusions: -It works -there is a charging and probably a battery contact or sensor problem I'll investigate further, does anyone knows if there are sensors (maybe hall effect) that may prevent the phone to start (like a back cover detection system or something like that) also, I noted that the phone starts more often when the LCD mechanism is open, are there any reasons ? Thanks in advance |
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wow ..
messed up man. yeah ... pretty much all nxx0's have back cover "not on" or "not secure" detection sumthin'-sumthin'.... meaning it doesn't like to boot if the cover is not in place. Lil' magnet I think it is..(visible) in the kickstand (specifically on the n900) ... If my mem. serves.... I could be confusing the magnet with some other purpose.... but I seem to recall that was the purpose of it... pay no attention ... pichlo is correct in the purpose of the magnets on the nxx0's... I recall that now... |
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Did you also try to replace the LCD block again with the original one? I haven't had any of the problems you've described so maybe replacing the LCD block did trigger something?
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The purpose of that magnet is to automatically unmount the SD card when the battery cover is removed. It does not prevent the device booting, nor does it force it to shut dovn. Your problem may be with battery contacts or, worse, a headline crack in the PCB.
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There we go!
I knew it was for something important! Thanks pichlo... my brain must be addled from all the nog and rum... argh. now that the season is done it is time to sober up and regain my brain... |
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open it up clean everything with isoprophyle alchol or similar
brush all contact points in board with a needle do not forget connectors like the display and touch connector and clean the battrey contacts good bring them a lillle closer ,clean the usb port lastly post multimeter readings here check throughly start with battrey contacts and usb subsystem. |
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Good evening,
I have to be cursed: again, I lost my message, but anyway: :D good news about the N900, apparently the problem was that I bent the batteries's hooks while charging them with the alligator clips, I took a dissection needle and reformed the hooks on the batteries, the phone seems to work fine, I left the tape to prevent the battery from moving but everything is fine, even the charging (I'll be sure when I'll plug it while it's low battery) I still have the digitizer problem (a lot of scrathes) so I'll order a brand new one and put it in so no scratches, no problem :) The kernel problem seem to be because of the phone having been shut off while not prepared to, it says something like "your custom kernel settings can't be loaded because the phone [...]". Now, I can get my hands back on it, I saw the new HAM, it's much better than when I only had the nokia repos, I don't find it slow or anything so I'll use it. I tried to install cutetube but I'm apparently missing a dependency "libspeex1", it's recurrent as when I tried installing other programs, it did too. Do you have any tracks about those missing packages? also I tried to update my phone, there are two programs that need to be updated: "Linux kernel for power user" and "linux kernel for power users (settings and overclock)" however when I tried to update, it said there is a conflict with u-boot, what are these apps for and should I keep them / how to solve the conflict ? I'll continue to tinker a bit with it and after I'll reset the phone (everything: emmc, system, ...) then I'll make a durable configuration with saves and all. I tried to install mumble (I had to add a repository (maemo.org's devel I belive)), however I'm having issues in HAM since :(, can't update properly, ham always charging stuff, apparently no repositories even though I should have some, ... Any ideas ? So, I belive the reflash time is close but I want to make more mistakes before reflashing (like installing some apps that are not really supported under Maemo but I need them) I put the AZERTY keyboard in place of the QWERTY one, I'll have to exchange them, I'll also clean everything while the phone is taken apart. @Nokiabot: I already tested the batteries, they are all fine (one is weak but that's not important). I belive that's all for today Thanks for your support ;) |
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toldya you will be fine
and order a dizitizer but do not replace it ;) give your n900 a good spin and with the stylus too when you have set it up real good the shiny no button landscape dtzitizer would sure attract some attention around. i recommend a small strap to hold it comfortably . |
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Hi,
I played with the N900 for a few days, it does work fine (except about the battery disconnections (maybe I did really damage the contacts with the alligator clips), and the charging problem that came back, but now I have more infos: 1.When the battery is almost full (or half full), the phone says it's charging with the yellow blinking led and all, no problem BUT it doesn't, the battery keeps discharging until it reaches the low battery point. 2.When the phone says low battery, when I plug it on charge, it starts to say ok: charging but then, the "charge defect" message appears again and it says "low battery" What do you think ? Battery problem ? Software problem ? Hardware maybe ? @t-b: I'll reflash the phone as soon as I finish to save what I've done on it and charged all the batteries to 100%. I have one question: you tested the charging on it with an original charger, did you remark anything suspect ? @nokiabot: I didn't understand, why not change the digitizer ? About the strap, I have one lying around, I'll put it on my nokia Cordially N.AKDIN |
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Good evening,
ok, that would say that it did charge, maybe my chargers are not fine, I'm going to make a few more tests, reflash the phone and maybe hack it to add another way of charging the battery internally (I have an idea about that) if I have no other solution. |
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Still think flashing should be your first priority, then you can at least eliminate software as a cause if there is still an issue after flashing.
A thread with someone describing a similar issue. http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-63722.html |
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+1 to that t-b
properly flashing a new nxx0 is always THE 1st thing to do. Then all problems from there are: 1- self created. 2- mechanical failure 3- os/software related failure I'd never bother mucking about troubleshooting somebody else's f***-ups only to end up reflashing over the mess and clean-slating it in the end anyway... - 2 min flash - a 1/2 hour to a half day of setting things up the way the new owner wishes. - done I do understand if circumstances prevent proper re-flashing... but ... eventually ya gotta find a way to reflash it proper... and get rid of the past owners mistakes ... so you can at least make and be proud of your own mistakes :D If you can keep a usb connection to pc ... and battery life.... long enough to properly reflash.. then you may find the problems (hopefully) you are suffering from are largely past user related. All this talk of use of battery charging via untested methods and untested devices... THAT resultant (possible) battery overcharge alone is enough to cause goodness knows what... When in doubt fall back to basics... absolute basics. If no other method of flashing seems to work quick enough before your device reacts poorly to it and shuts down (or makes faces at you or whatever) grab a pc... grab a usb cable you KNOW works fine... grab your firmware... use win xp. (or at worst win 7...make sure to enable administrative and possibly compatibility modes...for the n.t.s.u.w on win 7....) use the Nokia Tablet Software Update Wizard ... and rush the firmware through the wiz. onto the s.o.b. device ... no dilly-dallying ... no humming and hawing... no hesitation over which key to press...or line to input... no pausing to allow the device to think about getting petulant with you. Get it flashed quick. real quick. (software update wiz won`t do it all...won`t do fully what you need to get done...but it will get your foot in the door before it slams shut. After which you may find some of your devices symptoms will have eased and you MAY..(.big may) ...have more breathing room to properly and fully flash your device with a linux distro...) |
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"..maybe hack it to add another way of charging the battery internally (I have an idea about that) if I have no other solution.."
the possible "other solution" using a step down... http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LED-display-L...MAAOSwT6pV7CPG rip apart a battery of questionable life... rip the guts out.. (make sure to measure the l, w, and h before doing so...) use the internal batt wiring to hook up some good insulated wires to your step down... recreate the full battery "form" to fill the battery compartment so the batt contacts properly connect with the n900 device contacts... (DON'T use a battery where you have altered or mangled the contacts..eh? :D) ...the form can be hollow..don't need it for anything but your wires now... punch a hole in the back cover of your n900....or (better) through the body of the n900...(out the side of the n900) ... between your speaker and the "switch" ...pop in a rubber ring to keep "whatever" out ... run your insulated wiring through... hook 'er up ...and watch the fireworks... I suggest making a "stop" for the dial. (just so you don't accidentally surge your n900) I also suggest making a case to fit over your step down... and lastly I suggest using a spare usb power cable for the power "in" (me I have a ton of them since I dropped smoking and picked up an ecigarette almost a decade ago..)... so you can plug into everything ...right down to a car cigarette lighter. Nxx0 battery problem solved... permanently |
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