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€30 left for %200!

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we've been mentioned on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNe..._200_in_their/

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Nice, would love to see it 'upped'...
Everyone, +1 !

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Justadude did had to use a lower value and ship the package as a gift and duty taxes paid.

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Dropped some beer money to Cepi...
3BA07216D5169212M

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Sorry, I don't follow. Did you mean he should have used a lower value or that he got the package back and posted it again with a lower value? Where is the package now?

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he wrote on the package a value of like $400 or something. So the taxes that CepiPerez had to pay was enormous...
The package is lost for eternity...

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I have not read the whole story and don't know where that package is. I'm thinking about buying a new Nexus 5 or Jolla. System crashes, bad webbrowsers and bluetooth audio WP is worse then iOS. Which one do you think is best to buy?

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How did I not see this? Just donated (PayPal)

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I know, but then jellyroll confused me.

Really? My understanding was that all that was needed to pick it up was the money to pay the taxes. The money that now, thanks to exceeding the target by over 100%, should be available.

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Usually there is a maximum periord (20 days for example, depends on the country) to pay and pick the item from the post. After that it is returned or go to the government.

In Brazil it is worst than Argentina, 60% of import tax instead of 50%. And only 20 days to pick the item.

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They don't like trade, do they :D

anyone actually pay tax?

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Yes, in Brazil everybody has to pay import taxes if the item is caught by customs. Whenever the item is taxed depends on its size, price, shipping method and luck.

For example, I've paid import taxes for my 2 Jolla's. But for Raspberry Pi 2B (which is smaller and cheaper), I was lucky and it was not taxed.

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They have raised import taxes to protect their market.

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Woo! I think you broke the 200% mark

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It was actually Olli Luuri :p

But no... that's not the correct answer.
The answer is: EVERYBODY!

Thank you so so much everybody!

Just because were're 200%, doesn't mean we're done CepiPerez.
We've got your back buddy!

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Customs here returns the package 30 days after receiving if nobody gets it.


I have a question:
I can buy a Jolla here for USD 200, but some friend offers me a Nexus 5 for USD 300. Specs are really better (you may know it).
Is Sailfish working ok in nexus? Can I use it for development?

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Nexus 5 ?
Better device in my opinion...
with more options...

I wouldn't even hesitate in choosing...

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For developing I would choose the Jolla, because 99% of users will be using that and it is the device I want to test with.

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Well I think you have financial problems. So 200 USD is less than 300 USD. Leaving 100 USD for more important things than a phone.

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Yes, but consider this: is $200 worth for an old phone that is probably only worth $100 nowadays?

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I have a Nexus 5 here.

I run SailfishOS 2.0 (Saimaa) on it (as Multirom image). Most of the features are supported.

- Bluetooth is a little bit wonky, specially Bluetooth Audio. When it fails you need to reboot.
- GPS is working but no AGPS
- Battery live is not that good. It drains about 40% per day (24h), when the phone is just in idle state on my table.
- There was a problem with the phone sensors that has somehow been fixed, but that has some influence on screen rotation. Sometimes you have to restart lipstick to get that fixed.
- Otherwise it is certainly a cool device for development!
- There are some people using it as daily driver as far as I read, but I would not recommend that right now.

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I'm also using the Nexus 5 and can confirm all the bugs above.

My N5 actually cost me half as much as I paid for the Jolla (£110 on eBay from china - had to wait a few weeks but the device is genuine!)

Despite those few bugs listed above, it's a much nicer device to use than the jPhone (although the screen is bigger the phone itself is lighter, better battery, I can run more than 4 apps without having things force close, way faster, better camera). In addition, if Jolla goes under (hopefully not, but possible) I can run Ubuntu Touch or any other OS that uses libhybris on it.

Worth checking if you can get one cheaper on eBay, though I appreciate it might not work out to be cheaper due to import taxes etc.

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During development, It is very important to have the same hardware (screen resolution, etc) and software version with respect to the majority of users.

So I suggest to take Jolla smartphone to be used for development.

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Nexus 5 runs the same version of Sailfish as jPhone now. Hardware is different, but everything on top of hybris is the same!

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no dalvik though

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Just some pints from my side:
- I don't use bluetooth, never.
- I use GPS, but not in jolla (it doesn't support 3g here, so it's useless)
- I use some androir app, but I can live without them
- Battery life is important

Screen size for develpment doesn't care since QML doesn't use pixels for resizing, so it should be the same.

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Good point, I forgot about that because I've never used Dalvik.

But, if you're going to develop for Sailfish, you develop for sailfish, not android ;)

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And please Matias, do the improvement for MeeGo also.

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Sailfish OS on Nexus 5 looks and works very good. I am using it as my primary phone. I don't need any Android apps (thanks to you for whatsup). If I really have to use an android app for something, I have a dual-boot setup, so I can just boot in Android and do what I need to do, but I haven't had to do it for a long time.

The screen getting unresponsive to touch is the only additional annoying issue. It will take a reboot for it to fix. Some days I end up having to reboot couple times. (I hear there is a solution being worked on, but have not tested it.) I would really hope the bluetooth issue will be fixed soon also, since I would use it.

Overall better performance and 4G connectivity in US makes it a better choice for me than Jolla phone.

You can always test your app in SDK for Jolla resolution and Nexus 5 for higher resolution. I think it will be an additional benefit for buying Nexus 5 for development, so your app will look better on higher resolution phones/tablets(?).

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No, some items in Sailfish for Nexus 5 don't work or aren't available.

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but thats only the dalvik... anything else?

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Nexus 5 is definitely a better choice. I do not not need or miss Dalvik / Android apps at all.
Also Fairphone 2 looks promising, but is a bit pricey since it's European made.
And the India's Intex SfOS phone will be anounced in a few weeks time. Could be another viable alternative to check.

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But remember that the bands used in the Intex is also not compatible in Argentina, just like Jolla.

I think that CepiPerez would love to make use of 4G for a change ^^

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M$ Exchange also

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wouldn't recommend the n5. I'm usin the n5 and n4 images for testing purposes. Another not mentioned constraint are ota updates. N5 got ota with manually adding repos etc. So in case you want to update keep in mind that all is a work in progess state. Sometimes you have to wait until new system updates out. another thing is the high cpu load. sensors raise them up. this was mentioned already.

Why are the specs relevant? I think for the specs the jolla phone have it runs quite well. I would say: buy a jolla and be save!

cepi, where do you live? would it be helpful to send you some package from brazil or are the restrictions beeing the same?

Maybe somebody from germany is travelling to cepi's country? would gave them a suprise package for cepi...

ahoy

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Problems with sensors (NFC, etc), touch screen freezes, see :
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Ada...for_hammerhead
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94620&page=41

I suggest Matias to consider 2 things :
- the majority of users have Jolla smartphone, so to better deal to solve bugs and implement features 100% compatible, it is recommended to have the same plataform (hardware+software). For example, I've only one N900, with Maemo 5 in standard configuration (many softwares installed, overclocking, but no CSSU, new kernels, etc) to maintain compatbility for developing and testing softwares;
- avoid using the new smartphone wth Sailfish OS in normal use, use just at home (for development, etc), to avoid being lost 3rd time. Where it is dangerous, there are cheaper phones available to use. This problem is common in Brazil, where e.g,, a high-end new iPhone costs US$1000 and they are a target for thiefs.

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err, guys.
What is the problem with getting both?
No offense but >200% result and we are texting about spending 200 or 300?.

100% = 1 phone,
200% = 2 phones?

Didn't we talk about at least getting two phones to reduce the "bus factor"? ("train factor" in cepis case)

Next argument, who but cepi could become an expert to advice devs how to optimize theyr apps for ported and original devices?

Again, absolutely no offense.
If cepi needs the money to spend on completely other stuff than hardware to even continue coding and only one phone acquisition is possible, abolutely fine, no further question. Pardon me if this looks like urging cepi then.

Only, could having both phones bear synergies we haven't even discussed about?
I would go so far to advice getting a third cheap android or feature phone to even more reduce the train factor.

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Well to be honest, if somebody even struggles to replace his stolen phone / broken computer, it's quite stupid to invest all of the money he get through a donation for gadgets he don't really need.

But it's more senseful to pay the bills and buy clothes and something to eat.

First get your life/financials sorted than you can buy stuff you don't really need.

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totally!
I was explicitely excluding that case from my advice as you can read ;)

But it is not up to us too decide on anything.
That is what all the charity organizations i know do wrong.
A tendency to underestimate the folks they donate to.

If no hardware was stolen or gone south, we wouldn't have heard anything from super humble cepi.
Now there is some extra money, so why not treat him as a normal maemoean and suggest what could be technically benefitial in his situation.

after all, life is not all about the basic needs but also spiritual and social development!