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Damn, missed it! :(

It is too soon to post in a WTB in Buy & Sell :D

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damn it. :(

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I'm sure you'll be able to buy a cheap Jolla C when someone gets a broken unit that Jolla refuses to repair ;)

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Ordered mine

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I'll just note that I ordered one - looking forward to debugging & fixing all the HiDPI issues in modRana. I guess investigating what could benefit from multi-processing might also make more sense now on a quad core device. :)

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It will be interesting to see how the Jolla C runs Android apps with the pos that is the Snapdragon 212. Even the Jolla has a better SOC with two Krait 300 cores instead of 4 low powered A7 cores now powering a larger display with a slightly worst GPU.

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The specs are similar to the Nexus 4.

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No they aren't unless you count being quad core a similarity. The Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro chip which is a Qualcomm designed chip with Krait cores similar in performance to the A15 core by ARM.

The A7 cores are basically low powered cores that were originally brought in to complement A15 cores in a big.LITTLE configuration As seen in the Galaxy S4.

That is before the GPU difference of Adreno 304 vs 320 is even taken into account.

Edit: Even a Snapdragon S4 Plus chip would have been a better performing chip than the 212 due to high performing cores.

What what, are we saying the original jolla has better performance overall?

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I have no problem with Jolla SBJ1 performance whatsoever, so am happy Jolla-C performance is on the same level.
What mostly intrests me HW-wise is the quality of the display and camera; those are the achilles heel of SBJ really.

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I do recommend everybody to send a donation to Jolla instead of buying a product without warrenty. Dave is allready busy preparing a new thread about Jolla's C.
A Linux community/developer phone without HW keyboard.

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when someone picks up 212 as a SoC to reach certain price point then I think we can be pretty sure about the quality of other components.

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Hi.

I also ordered one.
This will be the first time I keep pace with the community :) after 5 years waiting for prices being around 200€ in order to buy.
Hardware prices are certainly going down over time....

Regards.

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Warranty is not an issue, They are required by EU law to provide 2 years warranty.

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I am totally sure that the device will arrive in July. I am a tad uncertain whether it will be in 2017 or 2018 though.

Anyway. The fact that in a couple of hours 1k ppl were willing to spend money on a device even though they can neither be certain if it will ever arrive nor if it works if it does shows that there is a market for handheld devices that run Linux.

Don´t get me wrong: I really hope things work out this time.

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That was my thought too, I had all kinds of problems with crappy build quality on Jolla 1.

Glad I bought my FP2, it's expensive in comparison but I think it will last a really long time because SFOS is so light weight (it's very fast on here) and it's easy to do repairs because of the availability of spare parts and overall better build quality. Still hoping for official support from Jolla/Fairphone so we can get updates - I don't use AD or exchange so that doesn't bother me.

Hopefully having some more variety in screen sizes in the wild will improve app scaling for everyone, too.

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That would work if they sold us the phones.

I think they have arranged it like a developer (and "community" if you like) program, where, if you pay your fee, you get courses, event subscriptions for a year, and then, they "loan" you the device, with the clause that you can keep it after the subscription ends.

It makes kind of sense as a developer program, if I were not interested in tinkering with it, I would not think about getting on the program.

On the other hand, they say they will reimburse/replace the device if it is dead on arrival, and they will actually try to support it anyway, in a best effort kind of way. That is what I read between the lines of the various statements I have read.

I am not overly worried about the warranty in this case: typically, electronic devices break either immediately, or just after the warranty period has expired (or sometimes they keep working indefinitely).

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I am? No, sorry. I leave that to you...too bizzy with the tablet and don't want anything todo with this Cphone.

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I would probably tempted to buy... if they could ship it to me. Anyway, hope buyers will receive their phones soon enough! :)

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The warranty is still applicable. Developers, none developers, whatever, money is paid, so they are required to pay attention to any warranty issues. Also, they are selling this on a shop, so, they are obligated to follow consumer laws, not only in EU, but in each country they are shipping to.

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They explicitly state Jolla C will be theyr reference device from now on:

Here.

If any negativity necessary, would it not make more sense to read between the lines that Jolla 1 will not be further optimized due to 1GB limitation? Not saying it will be dropped and not recieve feature updates but getting less attention.

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That, would be worrying (but not surpricing).

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I am quite sure that device will come and it will work.
This because it seems to be the Intex phone which is already made. And I even think that both Jolla C and Intex phone would be out allready without dual-sim problems and Jolla financing issues.

Market is there. At least 1000 persons in Europe. :)
But if Jolla would go fully open source to European/US markets it might be even 2000 or couple more.
And leave Russia build their own version on top of sailfish which should help problem solving on open parts...

Well if Jolla can survive long enough it and reach proper stability for key features / some native key apps more (my need is already covered but some people still use watsapp?) it still has a chance.

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Yes, but if you check your order, you did not order a device, you ordered a "SAILFISH COMMUNITY DEVICE PROGRAM".

As such, they may get away without a warranty. Clearly they think they can. And they are not selling to the general public, nor they want to.

There were people willing to order the Intex phones from India. Do you think Intex would honor a warranty from a country they do not sell to?

Jolla is simply making it easier for those people to get the devices.

In any case, it would probably too much a a hassle to litigate this than it would be worth spending.

I kind of understand it too - setting up warranty service is expensive, and they are probably waiting for the Jolla 1 support to expire, and focus on the software business.

Also, I suppose a lot of warranty service "repairs" calls are actually due to software bugs, or the user managing to corrupt the flash.

for software bugs, there is nothing to do other than report the problem and wait for a software update, anyway, and as long as we can reflash the phone on our own, I am good.

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1. They are selling to general public, despite calling it a 'community' program.- community is, by definition public!

2. If shops in India is selling to EU countries, they are required to adhere to warranty regulations withing EU, otherwise, they should (can) not sell to people in EU.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/community

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Some more official statements from Juhani this morning.
https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/upl...6_FINAL_72.pdf

The shift to 2.0 ui brought some obvious unresolved oom problems.
I think it is much more work to optimze for 1GB compared to simply declaring 2GB to be the reference.

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I really hope i´m wrong, but if that Intex phone was ready, we could buy it by now. With warranty if we buy it in India.

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How do you know it has already been made?

Besides, I would also like to throw in the little fact that the Jolla tablet had also been already made before the fiasco :)

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Yes you have guarantee if you buy it from India. But you'll get the shipping costs have paid themselves. Maybe return shipping cost too. The next problem is that you can buy just about Snapdeal. Snapdeal dont Sent or sold any goods outwards. You need an agent or we have trusted contacts. I think the warranty processing is simply annoying and difficult or costly.

e.g DHL Germany
Send a 2KG package to India with issue only 50€ (more is not possible) cost 18,99€
Send a 5KG package to India with issue 500€ cost 42,99€

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The problem a warranty from India is little better than none. Not that one from Finland would be much better...

You still need to pay from shipping to and from India, wait for the shipping in addition to the time of repairing...

If you are concerned about warranty, only buy a device at a local store.

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Well, I have seen it with my own eyes so I should indeed believe it exists. :)


Not really. The tablet is far from fiasco, I am perfectly happy with it.

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Might not be fail for people who received device, for others like me it is :(

I would actually be more happy if it didnt ship at all, I would be spared of "pain" looking at "lucky" ones who received device showing off. /jealousyOFF

Anyhow, spared fist half of reimbursement money on Jolla C. Hopefully won't go down the sink, again ...

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I guess i was one of the first to see this thread but nevertheless i didn't ordered one and i don't understand those in detail who are whining somehow that they did not get one. Get an used Nexus5, a Oneplus One X or ... install sfos and be happy!

https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris

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SFDroid is not available on OPX ;) but yes i am happy with the OPX

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Yes. Actually you are right. I don't know for sure hence wrote "quite sure" and not "sure sure". :)

https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/upl...6_FINAL_72.pdf
"Jolla C is currently being assembled and will ship for the program members in July 2016
.

Proto has been there for long time and one picture from Slush would indicate that there is already device.
But based on information on dual-sim problems I again guess that Intex has been forced to delay the launch. And now I would guess that dual-sim problem(+whatnot else) has been solved and they can flash "working" sailfishos to phones at production line and launch it.

Also this discussion about warranty might be irrelevant. We did not buy device but we bought participation on program. This program included right to get "proto device? = Jolla C" for developing and testing.
Anyone into law could deny/conform this?

To get device with warranty (in India)- one would need to buy phone from Intex India (if that launch happens) or hope that Intex would start selling that phone outside India.

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Regarding the warranty or the lack thereof. That is how I see it, although IANAL so it may all be a load of bull. You have been warned.

I believe nieldk and others are referring to the EU directive 1999/44/EC. It mandates a compulsory minimum warranty period of 2 years within the EU from the day of delivery of the goods.

However, as any other law, it has a few loopholes. For example, a consumer is defined as, "any natural person who, in the contracts covered by this Directive, is acting for purposes which are not related to his trade, business or profession". This is not applicable in this case unless buying Jolla C is related to your business, which is unlikely. But it does highlight just one of a number of exceptions: the 2 years warranty applies if Johnny Carrot the bloke down the road buys a hammer to use in his house but not if the same Johnny Carrot the plumber buys the same hammer for his plumbing business.

More of an interest may be this clause:
(b) consumer goods: shall mean any tangible movable item, with the exception of:
- goods sold by way of execution or otherwise by authority of law,
- water and gas where they are not put up for sale in a limited volume or set quantity,
- electricity;

Please note the "tangible movable item". The product Jolla is selling is not a tangible movable item. It is a one year subscription fee to the development programme. They are loaning you the device to participate in that programme. It does not, however, exonerate them from providing the warranty. By giving you a device as part of the programme, they indicate that the device is an integral part of that programme and that the programme cannot continue without the device. If the device breaks, they either have to fix or replace it or they have to end your subscription, in which case you should be eligible for a refund of an aliquot part of your subscription fee.

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That would be really worrying if the 1000 JC become the reference implementation of SFOS as we're probably ten times more with the J1.

And 72mm, it's too big.

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It's not that simple, and I can say that because I've used a N5 with SFOS as my primary phone for some months.

Ports are great, but have all some kind of issues. And more, I don't know any port usable on a daily basis on a good small phone, let say a Sony Zx Compact for example.

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I was in touch with a tablet and the people from Jolla promised, it will come to all backers. It's true (I took a pic): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...97#post1491397

Do you have some advice to prolong battery lifetime for this beauty?

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Little birds told me that the camera on Jolla C/Intex is (a lot) better than the one in Jolla.