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Not really, the 64bit stuff had to happen anyway because all new QCom SoCs are 64bit.

AOSP has been supported for a while, but most devices don't have AOSP builds available and so CM was just easier. That said CM is a little dead these days...

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Let's look at it from the manufacturer's perspective, shall we?

Imagine you are Sony or whatever. You are about to dip your toe in the water with a new OS from an unknown company with a poor track record. Are you going to risk losing gigabucks by releasing it on your flagship device with top spec? Or are you going to try it on a low-spec, easily disposable device first and lose only megabucks?

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I don't mind.
In reality the manufacturer produced cheap phone that they were asked to. Don't you think that INOI manufactures that chinese phone? It is being made on some cheap third-grade small factory in China.
The key points were it would be almost the same as aqua fish, so nearly no modifications of software is needed.

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Sony certainly knows how to get the most profit out of a device!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/03/14...android-world/

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Not sadly, a thing to rejoice methinks :p

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Probably, yes.
I hope this means a HADK based on AOSP is also in the works!

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If it was not for Alien Dalvik, I would have abandoned Sailfish OS as a daily driver quite a while ago. I am happy to see native replacements for Android apps in the future, but right now the user base is just not big enough to get major companies to provide their apps for Sailfish OS.

I am afraid these official builds for Sony Xperia will not attract new users if they come without support for Android apps.

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Again I don't need a new phone over and over again!

I want official SFOS for FP2. Yes the community editions works well, thanks to the developers, but official version should be prioritized.

MAPS and dalvik thank you Jolla and Fairphone for not listening.

If FP2 is serious about enviroment trhey should listen!
If Jolla want to be the next big thing they should support FP2!

the press release is just another marketing thing and I will not be suprised if those experia devices never appear...

Thank you back to work...

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Why should anyone give you what you want?

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Lolwut?... :confused:

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I agree, however nice Fairphone is, it is marginal phenomenon just as Jolla is.
Sony, OTOH is a player of another tier. Having Sony for partner is importance of an order of magnitude greater than partnering with FP.

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Jolla did everything they could with Fairphone, at the end of the day it was Fairphone who chose not to pursue an official device.

Clearly Fairphone thought it was not worth doing, and considering they are struggling to survive right now I guess it would have spread them a little too thin.

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Mike, anything else you rant about will invariably be turned into how your decision was not supported; not the other way around. Simply stated, blame Fairphone if you're unwilling to blame yourself.

Sony + Jolla? Okay, perhaps now that means I'll get a device that'll work in the US on our weird as hell frequencies.

Good times indeed.

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Just to temper the excitement here, this doesn't sound like Sony has decided to start selling Sailfish OS on their devices. From what I have read, they have a program called Sony Open Devices Program that allows a developer to create a custom AOSP ROM and to then upload it to one of their devices, presumably not invalidating the warranty and providing some degree of support. It sounds like Jolla have found some way to create such a ROM. I assume you would still be buying your standard Sony phone in the shop with some sort of version of Android installed, and that through some sort of process, you would then reflash it with the custom ROM (ie. Sailfish). Presumably, this installation won't invalidate your warranty, and you would still go to Sony if HW issues existed, but I imagine if issues exist with the OS, you are on your own. Also, people questioning whether Alien Dalvik will be supported? Of course it will.

Not that I am complaining. All I ever wanted was to be able to buy a decent specced phone that wasn't complete garbage, that had support for Android and where things like camera/bluetooth/etc all worked, and that such a device that had some degree of support. This ticks all my boxes.

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Well if this Sony devices are the new developer devices. I don't think that Sony is offering the devices but Jolla. So that would probably mean, that you can buy Sony devices with preinstalled Sailfish over the Jolla store...

And if so, I will definitely buy one :D

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I believed if one of these big companies like lg sony samsung etc started to support SFOS officially it would play big role for that company in the future.
Now when sony started this i say that this company will get much bigger. Sfos has so much potential big company like sony can use all of it. At last we, my friends will get the best smartphones in the world!!! Sony will be next Nokia because of this choice i say to you.

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Finnally official Sailfish-devices with non-crappy-build-quality?

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Finally a high device! THNKS JOLLA.

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oh
my
gosh...

Meanwhile, nobody posted the price for Inoi, if I am not mistaken. Well, snapdragon 210, 2Gb ram, 16 Gb... for $200! Just are you serious?

So, I guess, waiting for Sony? Maybe...

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Video! Camera app has seen some love in new coming release.:)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-mwc-2017/

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Ouch... now everybody seeing sailfish for the first time from this video will think it is unusable or still in alpha.
How does this douch manage to not trigger the ambiance menu ten times in a row :mad:
Why is he only flipping around the homescreen? Show the Camera, settings and version, open some apps and switch...
It would have been better if Jolla staff had guided him. What a fail.

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At 1:17, we can also see there is no "Android Support" menu in the parameters app (should have been between "Data Counters" and "Reset Device"). So it was either not installed, or not supported...
Anyway, good to see such a device supported.

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Did we already notice the Jolla watch ?
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1nAKEVqjVRyGL
:)

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To be fair, if you look back at Jolla's own original 'trailer' for the Jolla 1, they actually show off two bugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfAixpkzcBQ
See 0:48 where the screen/phone shuts down for no reason (the good old bug everyone loved!), and 1:15, where the phone app refuses to minimise.

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Huh, even though I'm still of the opinion that smartwatches and all that stuff are solutions to problems that don't exist, that does look nice for running on such a small screen. For sure I would complain less about it if an acquaintance was wearing one.

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Now all we need is a decent hardware keyboard add-on.

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That video reminds me of the film JOY, where some idiot without any knowledge of how the product works, does a demo on TV, making it look like a bad product. Can't they get someone who has used Sailfish to demo it? People seeing the video without knowing how Sailfish works would think it is bad..

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I have an XA, bought as a spare while my Z1 Compact was in for repair.

The XA has a number of fatal flaws.

1) There isn't enough storage left from the 16GB after you've updated the built in Android apps. It's terrible.

2) Sony disabled the feature in Android 7 where you can adopt your SD card as storage. They also removed the feature from Android 5/6 which let you move apps to your SD card in bulk.

3) It uses a MediaTek chipset which eats battery (The XA's battery isn't large) and it isn't on the Open Device Program, which only has Qualcomm chipsets.

They've just released a new XA1 which comes with 32GB storage so that'll fix some of the issues surrounding storage.

The X Compact is ok but for me it fails at being a true Sony Compact in that they use a slower CPU than the bigger phones and they also dropped the waterproof capability. The slower CPU is passable but I use my phone in the rain on my bike's handlebars.

And that's why I'm back with my Z1 Compact.

IMHO The last decent phone they did was the Z3 Compact but they're not updating that with Android 7.

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Screech ! that just about covers everything.

Mediatek is almost (not quite) as horrible as BayTrail.

Somewhat akin to having a quantum computer,
where cache memory is stored inside a hallucination.

Gives new dimension to the concept of "randomly unpredictable".

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Amen! A small screen is where the swipe interface really shows its benefits. Unlike a large screen, where it is mostly a hindrance.

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Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite is true, the swipe interface (rather the gestures interface in general) really shines in bigger screens. The only gesture really uncomfortable in large screens is the swipe down from the top. Swipe up from the bottom to draw the app launcher, swiping left / right to go back / forward and swipe from the edge to minimize can be done quite easily irrespective of the screen size IMO.

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look..... we all know by now. You are actually the
https://www.fxguide.com/wp-content/u...deadpool_8.jpg
:D

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I found jolla c to be far less usable with one hand compared to jolla 1. smaller phones work far better with SFOS.

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at this stage in the game it only makes sense for Jolla to lead with a device that is a popular format, and ~5" is where it is in the majority of sales.

beggars can't be choosers, and jolla can't afford to sink the company chasing the preferences of a niche (hardware keyboards included).

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Guys... can't we just agree to disagree on the screen size debate? It seems never ending.

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And the pro for Sailfish is, actually everybody can find his advantages depending on screen size preference ;)
Be it one handed on small screens, or two thumbed on tablet.
Personally, i think about getting a Zen Watch just to test how the paradigm works on very small screen. I have a good feeling about it.

Well i repeat myself but the single feature that sells smartwatches for me is notifications.
Yes, spam has a rather premium exposure when notified on the watch. But for all usefull notification it is so much faster to just check the watch than to pull out the phone.
Also having the time at hand is inherent to all watches, but concidering i did not wear any since ages and the smartwatch concept brought one back to my wrist, faster time checking is the second feature i acquired back.
Edit, and to be honest, eyecandy watchfaces, weather and miniapps like a drink-reminder are the cream on top for me

What i expect from an even more capable sailfish watch then my current pebble, is to be able to manage emails and messages like kill spam, forward or sort.
It could be also very nice as second screen e.g. while navigating.

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Indeed. Sorry.

To clarify, I was not arguing the relative benefits of different screen sizes. To each his/her own. Rather, I maintain that the benefits of Sailfish and its gesture based interface are more obvious on a small screen. A large screen provides a lot of estate for buttons and other, more traditional controls that make the navigation easier and the operation more intuitive. This is quite crucial for attracting new customers, which is what Jolla needs like salt. They cannot survive by selling to the same 1000 customers they had since day one.

A small screen is where their interface really stands out. No space for buttons? No problem, the interface does not need them!

I would even go as far as suggesting that the best way to attract more customers to Sailfish is by introducing them to their UI via a small screen, like a smart watch or a small, sub-4" phone like Xperia Mini. Once they get used to it, they will find it difficult to move back and perhaps even start seeking it out on larger devices.

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And I can think of counter-examples where some of the unique features of sailfish works well on a large screen device where reaching the top of the screen is a pain, pulley menus for example.

Or on a tablet where removing one hand from the device, and moving it into the bottom-center to switch between apps is slow and ineffective compared to an edge swipe i can do with my thumb where its already resting.

This idea that big or small is inherently better for gestural style interaction is silly, and really it comes down to personal preference, that's all.

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That is exactly the misunderstanding that I was trying to clarify. Not, "this screen is better for that interface", but the other way around!

Sure, gestures are nice on larger screens too once you get used to them. But why should my uncle's horse's cousin even want to get used to them? The current UI he uses right now works perfectly fine for him. But wait, what's this? A smart watch? No, I don't want one, too fiddly. Not really, you just swipe your finger across the screen to navigate. Aha, cool. I want that on my phone/tablet too!

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Bingo.
Thank you, i lost track in my lengthy post but that should have been the essence.