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Both. Google choose a particular kernel for each release of Android however Sony are free to use whatever kernel they like.

That's not strictly true. Most Android OEMs are lazy and do not ensure devices are kept up to date with the latest release of a particular kernel. There's a further problem in that Google have no strategy in place to replace a kernel when it reaches EOL. 3.10 will reach EOL in October and 3.18 was already EOL'd last January. Security fixes will be missed as some kernel devs have been known to use cryptic commit messages to hide the fact that they are fixing security vulnerabilities.

Correct, however according to Sony's Current platform functionality page, their Xperia devices on Nougat are all using either 3.10 or 3.18.

See above.

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I got the whole setup in one nice kit. The punch cutter that can turn a mini-SIM* into a nano-SIM, or a micro-SIM into a nano-sim. A nano to micro adapter, a nano to mini adapter and a micro to mini adapter. Also a nano-SIM ejector that looks just like an unspooled paper-clip (except it's too short so I have to use the paper-clip after all) and a tiny piece of sandpaper, to shave a little off a mini- or micro-SIM, since the nano-SIM is just a hair thinner.

It all works, too. I took the micro-SIM I was using in my N9 and cut it down to nano-size (with great anxiety) and it worked in my OnePlus One and OnePlus X. Putting the cut-down chip in a nano- to micro-adapter got it working back in the N9. Putting it in the mini-adapter, and it works in the N900! I did not sand the label down, and it's just a little tight, but not so tight it gets stuck.

Now I wouldn't want to be switching these around all the time, but it's fine for occasional use.

*I know most people call the "mini-SIM" just a "SIM," but the original SIM really was the size of a credit card with the chip contacts in the same place you'd see on your Visa card (or whatever).

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To this and other similar responses...

I tried that when I had to trim my SIM to fit in the Jolla. An adapter did not help me when I tried to put that SIM back in the N900 where it originally came from. Contacts are in the right place but I suspect the tension is missing as the whole assembly is no longer a single piece of plastic. Now there is a third format and I should believe that it would work this time?

All this for an entirely arbitrary decision. A standard SIM fits in Xperia Mini but it does not fit in a phone more than double the size and needs to be cut to the "nano" size. Mind boggles.

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Except, according to TechRadar, it doesn't work in the US because reasons.

TechSpot says it's actually disabled in software, also for reasons. Would it work with alternative firmware? Who knows.

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Sorry to hear it didn't work. I think my original sim card was actually cut to be the size of Nano-Sim and then I was given a sleeve to use for bigger slot in case I needed it.

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http://suomimobiili.fi/tata-jollan-y...-laitteen-saa/

Aliendalvik will be in, confirmed by Juhani Lassila in source above.

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Despite the above...

Just as a suggestion (not limited to pichlo):
1) Get a quality (plastic) adapter(s), not some paper/cardboard one(s),
2) Get an actual nano SIM from the start. I once had a trimmed down SIM and while the micro size had been ok, eventually the nano wasn't (it did look proper but possibly it was still my own mistake, granted).

I haven't had any trouble whatsoever using my current nano SIM between 3 different phones of which two are a N900 & a Jolla1... but like always YMMV.

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From the particular viewpoint of good old raster tile based map apps, I can already recommend the Xperia X Compact due to the lower ppi -- 319 vs. 441 on the Xperia X. 319 ppi should be reasonably usable with @2x map tiles, while 441 would need @3x or @4x, which are not really available anywhere and even if they were, might be slow to download and render. Users of some ports, such as Fairphone 2, should be able to confirm this -- unreadably small text, excessive level of detail and too many tiles vs. the screen size.

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usb c is not a problem, it is the future.

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That was my first impression on Nokia N900. I could not read my contacts and SMSes. Luckily there were simple mods to zoom on both. Now I face the same problems with Jolla and - no zoom mods :(

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...and what a future it'll be! (Sorry for the OT)

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So to sum it up:

Sure things:
-New phone(s) with Sailfish and with at least decent HW, including a nice camera
-Quite a long list of potential devices in Sony´s program
-Alien dalvik works

Still open:
-Xperia phones will only be "community devices", at first at least. So Jolla does not seem to see see them as a way to get proper revenue or to expand the user base of SFOS that much. Instead, Xperia devices appear to be 1) a showcase for their "real" customers at this point, the licensors 2) a better phone for the developers and 3) a way to "reward" the community. Not a bad situation, I would say, but it does mean that SFOS will not spread as rapidly as one might hope, compared to a situation where everyone could just buy an Xperia devices and download SFOS on it without joining some program.

Questions yet to be answered: Will there be a similar programs as with the Jolla C with a certain amount of devices with a certain timeframe when you can apply? Or are pretty much all Xperia phones "available" as community phones, buyable at will?

If there will be a same kind of program and no knowledge of the future at that point, I will probably dish out for the Xperia X next summer. If at that point it is known that the support/program will cover more devices and there is no deadline in signing up, I will probably wait a bit to make certain I can get the device I like for the next few years.

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They've added a 'Text size' feature in the latest release. Go to Settings>Display to choose from Normal, Large and Huge.

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Are you sure about aliendalvik? Though my Finnish is sufficient for a street cat, it says Android applications will be supported that doesn't mean it comes with aliendalvik itself.

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I have my Jolla1 for sale for u, I have already switched to FP2

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Ohh really?

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USB d soon to replace USB c

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As a US N9 holder who has missed out on every jolla release to date, i'm so hyped for this.

Bonus that the Xperia actually looks almost as good as the N9 as well.

There has to be another shoe to drop right? Lol

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Im waited a long time for news about Jolla, announce on mwc17 was really cool but i need a phone... and my question is:

Is the Sony Xperia XA Ultra compatible with SFOS? I need to buy a phone soon and i prefer to buy one compatible with SFOS.

Thanks.

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Not likely. It's Mediatek based and so far all the devices on the Sony Open Devices program have been Qualcomm Snapdragon based.

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@aegis

Thank you for the quick answer.

More wait =(

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Apparently this is because HP have a US patent on power buttons that are also fingerprint readers.

https://www.google.com/patents/US20120019356

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I thought the "reasons" were something like that but my hunch was it broke some Apple patent. Thanks for the info!

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Just a rant about poor communication of companies what a port supports.

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My nephew was showing me his new Nexus 6P the last time he was in town. I remember the last phone he had was a Motorola. He claimed that he switched to Nexus because their Google and they get the updates faster.

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I agree as I am also a proud owner of an N9 in the US.

Will Jolla only produce enough for the community based on an International or European version or if we tell them where we are when ordering, can we get the US version of the Xperia? Considering Sony does make different versions of the Xperia X.

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Not that we really needed it, Joona Petrell from Jolla has confirmed that it will be a fully productised Sailfish OS including Dalvik

https://twitter.com/joonapetrell/sta...39521400926209

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"latest dalvik included". What does that mean? What is the last existent dalvik? The one in Jolla C (4.4.4)? Is there any other version out there? Are they (Jolla, Sony or Myriad) working in a new updated version?

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Hopefully, it's based on 6.0 with ability to deny permissions to apps.

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Wouldn't it be a dream come true if Sony released Sailfish-only 2-sim version of X Compact? Pity...

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I doubt Sony will release it it all like they did with the limited release of Xperia E with FirefoxOS, instead I suspect Jolla will flash Xperia phones and sell them. I'd love to be proven wrong and Sony sells a Sailfish phone though.

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Actually, it would already be great if Sony does not sell their products with SailfishOS but allows Jolla or others to sell their phones with it.

What I'm afraid of is that you would have to buy a phone with Android and then install SailfishOS yourself. Then it will remain a niche product for geeks as no normal customer would do this.

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That is a mikecomputing-style argument. I would like it therefore it would be great. But why would Sony want to do that? They are a hardware manufacturer. They want to sell units. Why would they want to damage their sales by pre-installing them exclusively with an OS that no one wants?

Pre-installing them with a popular OS but leaving them open for the users to replace it with Sailfish or Moonshark or whatever is a different thing. It does not cost them anything.

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I don't think that's true..
OS that many haven't yet seen.. OS that many may fall in love with.. OS that has the potential, yet has to improve a lot.. May be

Definitely not OS THAT NO ONE WANTS!!!

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Pichlo gently put the finger to the wound.
From marketing POV, ~50000 enthusiast explicitly "buying" a phone because of SFOS worldwide is "no one" to take serious.

Sailfish still lacks basic convenience features that every Smartphone Layman is used to and relies on.
That makes it hard to even convert relatives and friends as we all have experienced in the last 3 years.
"Just offering it with a cheap device and hope for the best" attempt has failed in india.
We have seen the mediocre comments from the Indian casual users who got thrown into an Aquafish experience after intex sales told them how perfectly android compatible it is :/

OTOH very good for Jolla, Sony seems to take them serious enough to put a foot into the door and bet on the future.

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Yes, "no-one wants" is just tad extreme since we know that at least 1.7 ppm of people do want it :D

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@meet.vino,

With all due respect, sir, I suspect your judgement is blinded with love. Don't get me wrong, I also like SFOS, but it is hard to escape the objective reality. If the number of posters here and on TJC is any indication, the use base of Sailfish peaked out about two years to 18 months ago and has remained more or less stable ever since. From the Sony's point of view, 10k (or even 50k to be unrealistically generous) users (remember, only about 10% of that might translate to new units sales, the only thing that matters to them - and even the 10% is a very optimistic estimate) is "hardly anyone".

"OS that many haven't yet seen"... That may be so, but not due to a lack of trying. Jolla and Sailfish have had a lot of exposure over the years. If they failed to attract more users by now, then chances are low that they will suddenly attract millions now. The "OS for geeks" stigma will continue to be very difficult to wash off.

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And the issue is they got no devices for anyone to buy even if they are interested. Jolla C is dev only limited, Turning well thee isn't anything there., aqua-fish needs to be imported from India and might not work with 4G bands.
As it stands Jolla has no proper purchasable phones, which doesn't help.

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Also limited to geek level.
I have yet to meet any person in real life that knew about Sailfish before i evangelized them like a vegan.
If you do not follow tech-channels, there is no chance you ever heard of it imho.
Thats why i took the indian example.
People just wanted a cheap phone that does calls and Whatsapp. "Dis no work" was their answer...

My guess with ~50000 users is based on current Alien Dalvik downloads from store (yeah, lol, speaks volumes).
Most people do it only once.
Before intex public release it was at around 15000 for Jolla1,C and tablet combined.