Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Frankly, I think that everything you need to know about Jolla's future can be learned by comparing this page:

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone

with this one:

http://jolla.com

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

again its all about marketing and hype. I am 100 percent sure jolla is way before ubuntu in case of ready smartphone but then again they seems to miss one thing marketting :(

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Let's see... Ubuntu apparently will release a beta version of their phone OS for developers (running on the Galaxy Nexus) this month. Jolla will release their N950 version for developers to use - never, apparently. Ubuntu has an SDK and sample native app available for download at their website now. At Jolla's website, you can view a collection of twitter posts.

Both companies seem to have a beta version of their code running on an existing phone, which looks nice in a demo video. What makes you so sure Jolla is way ahead of Ubuntu?

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

I do not know who launches first but I have much more hope in Jolla. I do not like Ubuntu distro, would not use on my PC today use Mandriva (ROSA version), before use Ubuntu would have to go through, OpenSuse, Fedora, Mageia and several others. Unity sucks!

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

I agree - Unity sucks. I abandoned Ubuntu and went back to plain vanilla Debian on my laptop for exactly that reason. But Ubuntu on the desktop actually exists. Ubuntu has on the order of 10 million users. Is Jolla, which has exactly zero end users now, really preferable to Ubuntu just because they haven't released anything to hate yet?

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

We have the core! MER is the core.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Not just the Mer, Sailfish OS also uses some parts of Nemo Mobile. And MeeGo Harmattan softwares in Qt/Qt Quick can be easily ported.

So, today, everybody can develop :
- libraries, CLI softwares, etc, for Mer/Sailfish OS;
- GUI softwares in MeeGo Harmattan/Nemo Mobile and easily port to Sailfish OS.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

If you go to the Sailfish wiki, to learn how to start developing for Sailfish, you are presented with the following message:

Application Developers / Build a Sailfish App
It's early days for building applications on Sailfish OS; at the moment you have to build your own copy of QtCreator and then work with the people in #jollamobile on IRC.
We are using Qt with our Sailfish UI components and soon you will be able to download our QtCreator plugins that will automate this for you.

Why, after all these months, have they not bothered to bundle up these components, and provide something like a virtualbox image with the required components so that persons wishing to develop for their platform don't have to roll their own SDK?

BTW - the #jollamobile IRC channel is about as active as a cemetery.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

So you know for a fact that they've even bothered to read/answer some of it?
I hope they're not taking the attitude; "Oh well, they can just wait till MWC for SOME answers." Starting to feel like deja-vu again :-/

Not a entirely bad idea, so put it in the relevant doc or communicate it to them...

PC form-factor or hybrids aren't going anywhere anytime soon, many folks will continue to have more than just a smartphone or pure tablet.

Not if it creates a good base from which to easily port to other major desktop platforms...

From what I've read so far, Sailfish is just as open source....
Except Jolla will have some closed stock apps, so they can differentiate from other vendors that want to use Sailfish, or so they can license their flavour of Sailfish.
Agree with all your other points though, esp. the part about eventual collaboration, I really hope that happens, & in a genuine/comprehensive way.

Eh? They're targeting more than the N950, & the basis for Sailfish (Nemo) has been available for yonks now.

Jolla's already confirmed that the SDK will be available by the end of this month...
Agree about Jolla's site though, if it's a reflection of their UX_design & coding prowess, I'm worried.

The fact that just a few weeks ago Canonical was saying they wouldn't have their OS on their phone till early 2014.
That changed in the last week or so, now it'll supposedly be as early as October...
Besides, these guys aren't direct competitors (initially at least), Ubuntu's made clear that they're focusing only on the low-end.

Not really true to argue they have zero, one could argue that they certainly have more mobile chops than Ubuntu, by virtue of Maemo/MeeGo/Qt_mobile etc.

Again, see my earlier response, this is coming at the end of this mth, this was all covered at FOSDEM.

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 

Ken-Young,

They had an initial idea of how to release the SDK but the feedback they garnered made them realize that they needed to change a few components. Eventually open-sourcing those things they didn't intend to keep open has taken them time.

I'm not for defending Jolla but I rather they release something that's "proper" and upto expectations instead of doing an initial release that puts off those very developers they intend to attract for sustainability.

Anyway the jury would be out on them in ~2weeks when they release the Sailfish Alpha SDK; hopefully it is up-to many people's expectations.