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AndyNokia232 2012-09-08 04:23
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I think folks need to understand that Jolla Mobile will produce a device that Jolla Mobile wants to produce. They might take consumer opinions and ideas on board, but I don't think it's going to be worthwhile expecting the so-called 'dream device' that is the phone your imagination cooks up.

While I'm a supporter (and likely buyer) of a Jolla device, remember that it won't have Nokia Maps or Nokia camera expertise - two of the most important aspects of my N9 right now.

ste-phan 2012-09-08 08:02
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyNokia232 (Post 1262911)
remember that it won't have Nokia Maps or Nokia camera expertise - two of the most important aspects of my N9 right now.
Strange, the N9 being rather average in navigation and camera is the reason why I walk around with an 808 and a N900
(Nokia camera expertise, maps and wifi access point served by 808 and the remaining desktop replacement by N900)

Sure we can forget the Jolla camera being up to par with the next standards of "camera that can call with smartphone OS".

hope for easy to implement feature completeness, HDMI, IR, FMTx etc.. though and knowing myself, if Jolla can provide at some point a replacement for that N900 (in terms of you know what or you are not a Jolla follower) with lots of RAM and a proper LCD sc reen and keyboard I'll compromise once again I'am afraid.

Dave999 2012-09-08 08:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Jolla building a smartphone NOT a mobile computer. They never talk about n900 but they always talk about the little brother n9. That's one reason we won't get what we want.

cvp 2012-09-08 09:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Hackday are today... what do you think? will jolla show us the new UI oder give us some information? :)

Dave999 2012-09-08 09:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1263016)
Hackday are today... what do you think? will jolla show us the new UI oder give us some information? :)
Not the UI or anything like that. Nothing new is my bet.

Welcome to another Devaamo Hackday! This time we have special guests from Jolla and the Mer Project. In the spirit of hackdays, we will get our hands deep in hacking; however we are going to start off the event with some presentations, including: - Intro to Devaamo and our events and projects - Jolla company overview and technical presentations - Mer and Nemo introductions (developer oriented) In addition to free hacking we can also help you get started with Mer/Nemo development (platform SDK, etc.) and/or help getting Nemo booted on some devices. To get the most out of this event, Bring your own beer!

Fuzzillogic 2012-09-08 10:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1262983)
Jolla building a smartphone NOT a mobile computer. They never talk about n900 but they always talk about the little brother n9. That's one reason we won't get what we want.
First, the N9 is better known than the N900. Second, what makes a smartphone a pc? Physical keyboard? Accurate (mouse-precision) touchscreen? Ability to install desktop software? Third, my guess is that the general people will have trouble understanding the "pc"-part of such device.

Many folks seem to have a hard time understanding that a mobile phone is a computer just like their laptop, and are very similar capability-wise. That those to usages can be done with one single device is something that has to dawn on them.

However, and fourth, desktop-usage on a smartphone-screen is.. impractical at best. I myself haven't tried EasyDebian on my N9 yet as I can't see any practical use for it now. I think it's great to have the possibility. And when it's easy to hookup an external high-res display (HDMI/streaming) and use external input devices (bluetooth keyboard and mouse) it might even be useful at times.

So, I guess Jolla targets their device as smartphone, as that is a clear concept for people and will be the primary use. Also, they're launching a budget-device first, right? Perhaps it would be too limited to act as pc anyway. No HDMI, small screen, normal touch screen, half a gig RAM, etc.

I sure hope they will announce a high-end device as well, or at least the plans for it. To make the "pocket pc"-concept clear and understandable for the general population you'd need to impress them with speed: hookup a display and run things like LibreOffice and full desktop Firefox with desktop-like fluidity.

Rauha 2012-09-08 10:48
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1263016)
Hackday are today... what do you think? will jolla show us the new UI oder give us some information? :)
Live stream from Devaamo.


Its live right now.
http://devaamo.fi:8000/stream1.ogv

benny1967 2012-09-08 11:02
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1262983)
Jolla building a smartphone NOT a mobile computer.
A smartphone is a mobile computer. That's the definition. If it isn't, it's not a smartphone but an Asha, iPhone, Lumia or whatever.

mikecomputing 2012-09-08 11:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1262566)
Has anyone made a list of what they'd expect from a Jolla phone feature-wise? Being based on GNU/Linux is nice, but it could still repeat all the mistakes other systems make at the moment... and be yet another boring clone.

I thought about my current usage patterns and guess I'd expect (as many as possible out of):
  • file exchange (both directions) via USB
  • file exchange (both directions) via bluetooth
  • FM radio TX/RX
  • SD card slot
  • standard compliant UMTS features such as MMS and 3G video calls
  • built-in syncML support
  • framework for instant messaging that can be extended by third party applications (like N900)
  • framework for file sharing that can be extended by 3rd party applikations (like N900)
  • multitasking without restrictions
  • home screens with widgets, like symbian/maemo
  • hardware keyboard
  • self-contained, no dependency on any specific cloud service or PC software (like itunes or zune)
  • free software can be deployed in various stages (like -dev, -testing)

Other things that people think are necessary?
about:
[*]framework for file sharing that can be extended by 3rd party applikations (like N900)

this can be done on n9 too. And yes its a must feature.

I would rather extend this to make it possible to push not only files but also passwords and similar very easy to and from the phone to my laptop or whatever by using https protocol. Means make it easy setup my own webserver locally on my linux workstation and create my own API for what I want to do (send files, sync password, sync mail etc..). Actually this probadly is possible already today by using the shareui framework in harmattan cause itrs open source and plugin capable.

So I really hope they keep this plugin API and dont make it hard to implement new plugins. But right now the libshare* frameworks seems a bit undocumented.

Most of the stuff in your list I agree. However I not beleive we will see all :/

Dave999 2012-09-08 11:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1263056)
A smartphone is a mobile computer. That's the definition. If it isn't, it's not a smartphone but an Asha, iPhone, Lumia or whatever.
you guys are to cought up in definitions. Our freezer is computer, and i can move it so its a mobile computer.

Leave it.

phone first cool computer stuff later then. that is what jolla trying to do

You feel me?

Dave999 2012-09-08 11:26
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1263052)
Live stream from Devaamo.


Its live right now.
http://devaamo.fi:8000/stream1.ogv
This is isn't live.

mikecomputing 2012-09-08 11:32
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1263016)
Hackday are today... what do you think? will jolla show us the new UI oder give us some information? :)

They may give some QA in some way hopefully. check #mer-meeting at freenode

But I doubt they give any info about UI or device. Its more FOSS hackevent related than Jolla related event.

shmerl 2012-09-09 01:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Smartphone is a dumb term. We are talking about mobile computers here, where telephony is just one function out of many.

aironeous 2012-09-09 03:02
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
It's just gonna be some rasberry pi's covered in plastic and a screen on top. :p
Did anyone record the video from the hackathon?
I just scored 415 at html5test.com on Ubuntu using the Opera next browser. I hope they can bring that to Jolla OS since the OS'es are very similar.

What's funny though is when I went to atari.com/arcade (supposedly html5 based) and tried to switch between 2d and 3d it didn't work and when I select centipede it instead gives me another game when it starts. I read the page source and it has some kind of "if not IE 9" thing in it.

This QT5 rasberry pi video hypnotizes me
http://youtu.be/0j-Wakm5B84
Did Jolla stick a subliminal in it?

ctl 2012-09-09 07:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
When it will be ready jolla os? some says that this jolla os is just a rumor, but i think jolla os is real and i was wondering when it will appear.I would love if the phone that will have jolla on it to be like the nokia n950 with the performance and hardware that we have on the new nokia lumia 920.

Dave999 2012-09-09 07:24
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
t
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctl (Post 1263476)
When it will be ready jolla os? some says that this jolla os is just a rumor, but i think jolla os is real and i was wondering when it will appear.I would love if the phone that will have jolla on it to be like the nokia n950 with the performance and hardware that we have on the new nokia lumia 920.
If you read jolla twitter, they say it will be announced this year. Note that doesn't mean I will be released this year.

Keyboard still unknown but unlikely. Performance and hardware like lumia 920. Naah, doubt it. At least when it comes to camera.

ctl 2012-09-09 07:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Yes, i`m following jolla on twitter, i was thinking that maybe here someone will have some leaking news, s this means that maybe we will hava a device with jolla maybe early 2013 ?

thedead1440 2012-09-09 07:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctl (Post 1263494)
Yes, i`m following jolla on twitter, i was thinking that maybe here someone will have some leaking news, s this means that maybe we will hava a device with jolla maybe early 2013 ?
Jolla can't commit doesnt mean it wont be out end-2012...no news yet as its all under wraps to prevent Nokia-style symptoms of over-promising and under-delivering...

Just be patient for their announcement to learn how much of good-Nokia traits they have carried over and how many bad-Nokia habits they have discarded ;)

Dave999 2012-09-09 07:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So the hackday yesterday. No intressting news from jolla? Just same old same old? Anyone visiting?

Stskeeps 2012-09-09 08:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Hackday was a hack day, people showed up to talk about Jolla, hack on Mer and Nemo projects. Not an official press event, etc :)

Dave999 2012-09-09 08:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Hackday or not. Companies can always show some goodies for important users.

Whats going on with QA document meant for Jolla. What that a dead end?

dumpystig 2012-09-09 08:23
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1263061)
you guys are to cought up in definitions. Our freezer is computer, and i can move it so its a mobile computer...
Hmm... I wouldn't say your fridge/freezer (or mine) is a computer or that it's on a comparison level with a (smart)phone. And even though you can move it I doubt its something you would be doing several times a day, or if it would fit comfortably in your pocket :p

Anyway all this supposition is a waste of time, whatever Jolla eventually release it's obvious from posts in this topic that not everyone is going to be pleased. So I can't wait to see all the whinging posts once Jolla #1 does come to market - now that will be fun :D

timoph 2012-09-09 09:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1263504)
Hackday was a hack day, people showed up to talk about Jolla, hack on Mer and Nemo projects. Not an official press event, etc :)
yes. exactly.

It was a community event arranged by the community for the community. The Devaamo hacksdays are meant to be events where people can work on whatever projects together and get to know like minded people. Inclusive collaboration and networking...

This time people from Jolla were kind enough to pay us visit. I guess they understood the spirit of the event and wanted to get to know the local open source developers, etc.

If someone is just lusting for free gadgets or product reveals, these events are not the places to go.

Stskeeps 2012-09-09 19:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
http://devaamo.fi/jolla.html - video recordings from hack day

Dave999 2012-09-10 00:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Do you think jolla going for a announcment and release at the same time. I would be possible with rather low sales numbers.

Another thing. If jolla planning to announce a device soon they should abandon twitter as their main source for information and start creating a brand. Key thing here is a website.

Why launch the site when announcing the device. It bad buissniss. They can share lots of interesting information that can boost their brand without the device.

Customers without knowledge about Jolla will not by their product so jolla, please pump up the sound!

shmerl 2012-09-10 00:31
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1263833)
http://devaamo.fi/jolla.html - video recordings from hack day
Thanks! Audio is rather poor though (in the Mer video many things are hard to understand). And most replies on the IRC weren't red aloud, so viewers have no idea what the reaction is about :)

shmerl 2012-09-10 01:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
One of the answers there - Jolla is not going to use patents offensively (and are going to formalize it somehow).

Rugoz 2012-09-10 02:05
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I really hope jolla won't announce before its ready, its no good.

Of course they can launch the website earlier and release some UI vids to feed the hype, but when they show the handset it should be in stores within a few weeks.

gerbick 2012-09-10 02:07
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Anything mentioned now will be buried by iPhone 5/iOS 6 media mania followed by the pending Microsoft WP8 media negativity.

I think I can wait for them to pick and choose a solid day and show something that we all will look forward to having in our hands sooner than the older Nokia method of announce now, deliver way later.

Dave999 2012-09-10 09:33
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
how about December 5?

mark your calenders!

Muzimak 2012-09-10 09:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Are people waiting for Jolla so they can replace their N9s or they hoping it will be the answer to our lack of Apps?

Dave999 2012-09-10 09:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzimak (Post 1264131)
Are people waiting for Jolla so they can replace their N9s or they hoping it will be the answer to our lack of Apps?
Can't answer for everyone. But personally I don't care for apps at all and have several replacments for n9 already. I just want a new toy with a new GUI. (if its up to my standards for a middle-end device)

HELLASISGREECE 2012-09-10 09:57
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Dave, how do you feel about the Xperia P?

Dave999 2012-09-10 10:14
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1264133)
Dave, how do you feel about the Xperia P?
Seems ok, but that is an issue for another thread. I have to many androids. Looking for another windows or Jolla phone, depending on what jolla is doing.

shmerl 2012-09-10 17:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzimak (Post 1264131)
Are people waiting for Jolla so they can replace their N9s or they hoping it will be the answer to our lack of Apps?
Replace N9 primarily. Hopefully the basic set (browser, e-mail, IM etc.) will be there from the start. The rest will come with time.

Harmattan is a dead platform, so lack of development interest shouldn't be surprising. Jolla hopes to fix that as well.

mikecomputing 2012-09-10 17:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzimak (Post 1264131)
Are people waiting for Jolla so they can replace their N9s or they hoping it will be the answer to our lack of Apps?
what lack of apps? I have everything I need on my n9. What I hope with jolla is nextgen n9 with Qt5 etc...

timoph 2012-09-10 17:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1263991)
Thanks! Audio is rather poor though (in the Mer video many things are hard to understand). And most replies on the IRC weren't red aloud, so viewers have no idea what the reaction is about :)
The video was streamed using a basic webcam. The audio is from the webcam's mic. Also I had the mic headset backwards half of the time :p

Sorry about not repeating all the IRC questions.

gerbick 2012-09-10 17:44
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1264320)
what lack of apps? I have everything I need on my n9. What I hope with jolla is nextgen n9 with Qt5 etc...
Can't say that personally. Lack of video Skype is a problem to start my list of what's lacking.

Dave999 2012-09-10 17:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
On a second thought I buy jolla phone no matter what just to piss of Elop. A Beta phone for 500 Eur or $800 :D

mariusmssj 2012-09-10 17:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1264333)
On a second thought I buy jolla phone no matter what just to piss of Elop.
That will be one of my reasons too!!!


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