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I don't mind that too much, it's just the lack of scroll bars makes deletion quite painful.I do expect this to be addressed though.

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The first one seems to be CRAM with PCM audio, and the second one WMV2 with WMAV2 audio.

I might consider them more of legacy video formats. I doubt Jolla will support these in the future because licensing and bloat issues but let's see what MSameer has to say about them.

You might consider recoding them with more modern codecs.

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so no chance of getting a bluetooth keyboard + mouse (or gamepad) to work?

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This is an issue with how we extract information from media files. There is a fix in tracker which should fix the issue: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/tracker/pull/12

An RPM can be built easily. We can then install it to your phone if you want or you can wait for an official update :)

The thing that surprises me is that those files do play fine in media player (audio only). They don't interrupt playing at all.

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wmv/wma is unfortunately not supported.

The other file is pcm audio which should play (I hope). MS-CRAM video I have to check.

Jolla hat off:
We can always package the extra missing codecs and create a community repository for them (or push them to open repos ?). I can help with that if needed :)

If we need to support more media formats for the indexer then we rebuild libav and enable what we want.
If we want to support more media formats for playback then we package the missing GStreamer plugins. :)

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Can you give as some hint? :P When?

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I agree wholeheartedly.

In addition to this Android apps generally do not follow any guidelines of the operating system. It has always been a mess, and still is. It has been getting better lately, although not much.

While getting at least some sense in UX, Android has also degenerated in latest incarnations. I still feel that the double pull down menus on top of the screen is a bad move. There is zero clues about that, nor there is for pull up from the software app button on the bottom (which no-one uses because of that, but it confuses people when they constantly find the feature).
Old CyanogenMod-style setting icons on top of the one notification menu worked so much better. After a year I still haven't figured out why there has to be two top menus, as they haven't added anything there that would not have fitted in CM style notification menu.

Also on Android the swipes exist and are used very inconsistently between apps; Chrome has them, Astro File Manager has them, but most do not. It is probably for the best as they do completely different things.

So when I bitch below about my gripes with Sailfish, this is where I compare it to. Broadly speaking doing only three swipes out of ten potential use cases, and doing those three badly is much worse than doing ten out of ten, nailing seven and leaving three to be improved.
So many people think that mobiles are used comfortably on the sofa with two hands. They often hope for overly big screens for their phones too. Clearly they do not carry stuff in their hands any longer distances, or stand in the crowded erratically moving buses with only one hand free.

Sailfish is generally a bliss. For from the side swipes you actually have to start thinking the sides of the screen as buttons that always do same things; close application, multitasking screen, notifications screen.
Pulley menus and left-cancel, right-save swipe confirmation dialogs are the only really new things that take some time to get accustomed to. Maybe 12 hours of use, so yes, reviewers are lazy bunch of people, or just too time limited with their preview devices.

There are places where I can see where current Sailfish pulley menus do not work as well as hoped. Such as pages with long lists. Those enforce the user to scroll all the way top or bottom of the application page to reach the pulley menu. This problem is very easy to spot with (otherwise excellent) Tidings RSS feed reader or email app, as you may often have to do n. amount of swipes to reach the top. It is faster to quit the program and then go back, which is clearly wrong.
Some general workaround must be created for this type of UX problem. Long press to activate shine on top of the screen and marking the pulley menu to be pullable or something...

Long page syndrome happens also in UX main screen with long application list. With several pages of apps, to reach the multitasking screen you have to navigate back up with vertical movements instead of side swipes. One screen down it is still natural to pull back up, but two screens down you already start wishing for a shortcut. I suppose this should be easy to fix in coming versions. Design wise at least, if not technically.

Gallery app was very confusing until figuring out that pulls and swipes work only on upper half of the screen when additional non-pulley menu is present. This means that you have to tap on the picture to activate this extra menu, and then start swiping on upper half of the screen. Why not having all of the selections in a pulley already introduced? Or in the end I would be happy if one could just pull anywhere on the screen to go back to thumbnails screen, no matter whether it was the bottom half still showing parts of the picture or the upper half with the menu.

Inconsistency happens also in under settings save dialogs, where on some pages you can go left and you changes are saved, and on other ones you have to go right to save the settings before you get switched back to the general settings page part you started the wizard from. In latter cases you do get a visual cue of save on top right corner (saying 'Save', so it is quite clear), but _not_ having it and still saving any settings when going left is inconsistent.

But in the end I think these problems are minor, and can be devised around with some additional design. It is not that Sailfish has to be perfected on the first release version of UX.

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that whole tracker thing is a disaster IMO. Even if you have some tool to configure it, it never works as intended. It doesn't work on my N900, it doesn't work on my ubuntu. While I don't care about the mess in N900 photo galery because I don't use it much and one can always select default camera folder I did remove that crap from my ubuntu because it was always running and scanning something over a whole hard drive although I set it up to scan only 3 folders.
And I don't see the point in it. Each player or photo viewer can manage library without it, so why do we need something system wide for all media types if each application can handle their own?
Not to mention that if tracker db get's corrupted one does not see any media files, at least on N900. And Average Joe should not need to reset tracker in terminal and probably doesn't even know how to.

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Tracker is used by sailfish _only_ to store metadata AFAICT which can be easily regenerated. Text messages, contacts, ... etc are stored elsewhere.

It also crawls only a few directories + sd card to it should behave a bit better than N9/N900 :)

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Tested Documents app with some files. PDFs and ODTs work. EPUB doesn't even get listed at Documents app. Rendering of PDFs seem fast except Linux Journal magazine that has ad pages which take long or very long to render. Scrolling also suffers on those ad pages. There doesn't seem to be a fast way to jump on 1000 page PDF. It takes forever to scroll through it or locate page at the end when you are at the beginnig.

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Other Jolla users: Your phone connects to WLAN automatically, right? I seem to remember that mine did originally, but now for the past few days I always have to manually do it. Re-setting the connection have not beem tried yet, neither connecting to otjer networks. Will try those today. But it should connect automatically, right?

Other question. Does your text input do capital letter after a dot? Mine doesn't and I find it irritating

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It seems the connections are at the moment little hit and miss. My wifi usually wont connect automatically, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnot.

Also Bluetooth seems to be really really wonky. I have a Sone Smart Wireless Headset Pro and when i try to use them and connect the, to my Jolla everything seems okay, but when i start to listen to music, usually the headsets doesnot play anything. Sometimes (even wgen the phone says it has cobnected the headset) music starts to play from the phones speakers, which is kind of a bad thing when working in the office :)

Anyone else noticed problems like that with bluetooth?

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@Jolla owners

I read somewhere that right now no pic / music / files from SDCard getting indexed by Jolla. Can someone confirm that?

I am still waiting fro my Jolla but already purchased a new mSD card and put all the stuff on it. I have no desire to put the stuff in internal storage. I was hoping to divide system / content on my new Jolla.

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It does the capital letter for me. Tested in Messaging (SMS), Notes, Email (body in Create new email) and Quicklist apps.

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I have put some PDFs, ODTs and VCFs in microSD card and tracker/indexer has found them because I can see them either in Documents app or in People app's import page.

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mp3 and flac too?

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What language are you using? Mine is finnish. Have to test other languages. Went through settings couple of days ago and I couldn't find anything relate to this. Do you remember changing setting related to capital letter somehow?

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Mp3, flac and ogg.

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I think this is a positive development, as having messages in the tracker DB was a real strange decision on Harmattan.
I only go the logic of it considering taking backups; that all application data should reside in tracker so that system can handle backup/restore for all applications without knowing about that data at all but still... It did create a lot of problems.

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I'm not expert in Bluetooth but it seems that Bluetooth keyboards or human interface device equipment won't work out-of-box in Jolla. I don't have any Bluetooth keyboard or mouse to test.

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Language: English (UK)
Active keyboard: Suomi
Fuzzy Pinyin: off

I don't think I have seen any settings related to capital letters.

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A great analysis and I agree with almost everything, especially the last paragraph. The exception: I found the gallery app working really well, because it gives the user a lot of options. It retains the common back swipe logic, but at the same time you are able to scroll back and forth between pictures while you are in the sharing menu.

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In contrast, so far any video I threw at it played. It was mostly mp4, but also FLV.

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Indeed, those two end up in the music player for some reason. But they don't play on my computer either, so it must be some non-standard format inside.

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Ok, tested those apps and it does actually work on those. Cutiosly enough, it is not working in the native browser or in android apps. At least not in those I am using.

I can understand the android side, but the browser is bad in my oppinion

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I tried with my old Think Outside Stowaway Keyboard. It paired with the Jolla easily and was then correctly listed as keyboard-type device Thinkoutside Keyboard with supported profiles HID and DID.

Typing on the keyboard, however, had no effect.

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I don't have an Jolla yet but because I have no patient I tried it on my N9 :P

1. When configure date/time: In the UI you can select time from 1870 I think times years < 2013 should not be shown because it has no point to set time before this year?

2. feedscreen. I think the feed screen on harmattan was better. In sf you have first click twitter/facebook etc... icon before enter feed screen.

crap can't test more sf crashed on my N9 and now it want boot it. Well well probadly n9 related soo...

More to come later...


Btw this is not tested on n9 but I know this before:

3. As many has said before swipe to show ambience settings:

It feels like something that people not use that often? How bout make an option for that swipe? eg: let user decide what todo when swipe that direction?

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Not at all. And I'm using my Nokia Play 360 Speaker quite a lot with the Jolla. Simultaneous streaming over WiFi doesn't interrupt Bluetooth either.

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Switching ambiences is the Jolla way of switching profiles. You usually want to have a quick way to do it. Anyway, I guess I would be fine with limiting the ambience switcher to the lock screen only. IMHO it doesn't need to show up in the task switcher as well.

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Actually, if you don't have any ambiances marked as favorite then swiping in lock screen does not do any actions related to ambiances

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After some googling I found "Apk Extractor" for Android. I installed it my Nexus 7 and used it mail me Yle Areena, Netflix and Linux Journal app apk files. I installed those using the Email app on Jolla.

Yle Areena seems to work for VoD but not for live streams. The live streams take long time to start and have serious rendering problems. The VoD programs have a slight out-of-sync voice problem. I was using 3G connection when testing this.

Netflix works but has more serious out-of-sync voice problem. I had to enable WLAN temporarily to get Netflix to detect network connection (general Android app bug at Jolla). Otherwise I used 3G data connection.

Linux Journal app also works. Little slow as general feeling but much faster on ad pages than Documents app with Linux Journal PDF magazine. Still 3G data connection.

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Works, I have Sandisk Ultra 64GB card. Had it formatted as vfat, but I have always wanted to try using something better. Saw your question so decided to try it out.

I formatted it as btrfs when the card was installed. Normal
mkfs.btrfs -command works. If you do not suply any options, mkfs.btrfs detects sd card as a ssd-drive and adjusts options accordingly.

I copied some music (ogg-vorvis files) via scp and the media player detects them just fine.

I use only linux on all my devices, so btrfs is not a problem for me if I need to use the card with one of my computers.

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As far as i know mounting the btrfs flash drive with -o ssd is essential for the proper data storage on the flash drive. ;)

https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mount_options

If jolla does not mount it with those options may be ext2 is a better choice for the card?

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I tested with Sandberg bluetooth keyboard. No go with same symptoms. Pairing succeeds and the keyboard is shown as a keyboard device, but nothing reacts to inputs.

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Too many bugs, too many issues with SDK and nowhere to report to. This should not be released to public as user product but under Dev-category. (I know they are trying to save it by adding a beta tag)

I'm disappointed. Good luck to you all. I'm waiting at least another year to give sailfish a go as a developer or user. It's way to immature for an unreal price tag.

Chuck

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Not anymore. btrfs should autodedect SSD automaticly https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-b.../msg02493.html

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Are text messages, contacts, documents etc still indexed by tracker? And is there a global search interface, like there is on the N9 (and Symbian/N95)? I actually like that functionality.

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Good for you, but you can't expect normal people to go into dev mode and use the terminal for file management.
If the N9 (I don't have one) doesn't come with a file manager, how do normal people manage files on it? I mean I'd just file (or feel) deprived of essential control over my device.
Are there good file managers for N9 in existence now? Any ports to Sailfish in the works? Anyone announced a new one for SF?
Man I still can't believe it, that's like treating the user worse than Apple does.

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If so, I reeeeeeeally hope they used a new version of Tracker. Tracker in Fremantle is soo broken.
And +1 for global search, it's a must for any decent OS. In fact, all lists of everything should be power-searchable (best part of having a hwkb; possible, but not as nicely, on a vkb)

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No. Such a thing is a large can of worms (hard to do, hard to do performantly). If you ever experienced smartsearch sucking up your battery on the N9, that's why.

This doesn't mean it won't ever happen, but it isn't there now.