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pango 2014-09-01 09:19
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1437858)
Well, I see the outcome of the poll as a result for this discussion inside this community. A minority of less than 25% really see a need of improvement.
So a quarter of people see need for serious improvement and you seem to dismiss that?

If we count the people who need some improvement, it goes up to 30 vs. 29 saying Jolla needs to be more transparent.

At the moment, more people say Jolla needs to be transparent in that poll, than say they don't.

So, indeed the community has spoken. ;)

pango 2014-09-01 09:20
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1437863)
Pango, how old are you?
I'm 40ish.

pango 2014-09-01 09:23
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1437865)
You forgot to switch your account to 'pango'. Just sayin'... :)

EDIT: I know that Pango is from Finland, while fk_lx from Poland. Just pointing out that even if Pango's intentions were right (of course if he provided some examples to support his claims), fk_lx joining him in midst of his revenge spree isn't very helpful to Pango, as fk_lx's intentions are solely to make a revenge, not to prove anyone's point or even help improve Jolla.
Nobody needs to be helpful to me, I'm irrelevant. But what would be good, is if Jolla would hear also those voices in the community that say they would do well to open up a bit more in the transparency department.

In that sense, I agree fk_lx's mission is detrimental to that, but then he seems to have calmed it down a bit so maybe there is now room for voices discussing the wider matter. I'm not saying fk_lx's personal grievances don't matter, but the really bigger picture is here how can Jolla and the community best be mutually beneficial, and I think Jolla has lost their way there somewhat.

I'm offering feedback.

pango 2014-09-01 09:23
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1437868)
Pango, are you a politician? If not, I would strongly recommend you switch to that. I know some like you.
You are so good in developing long sentences without anything much to say. You could mystify lots of people and pretend you know so much about how to run a mobile company, how to find the balance between transparency and closed-doors info. I am sure you could do that in so many subjects.
And you can keep talking for long hours until your discussant stops or I must say abandon the idea of repeating himself the same argument again and again.
I sometimes was thinking reading the thread: I should reply. But I admit I am not good enough against people like you.

You have clearly win some sort of record to continue the thread even if everybody gradually leaves it, including the one you would like to talk to: the sailors.

Really let me say: congratulations. You have a talent.

The only problem is that in countries like mine, politicians have lost the interest of so many after having tried so many times to convince people with no substance.

PS: I know already that you will say something like: "you do not understand, let me say my point again" and this is really funny :)
That is funny.

A message that said absolutely nothing about the topic at hand.

Congrats. :)

juiceme 2014-09-01 09:24
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pango (Post 1437869)
ahhhahhaa :D

When reading those comments I see that people are still bitching out even as the company gives out a tad more info about shipping schedules.

Being "more open" seems not satisfy all people, huh?

pango 2014-09-01 09:25
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1437874)
Such as...

1.
2.

Fill in the blanks.
So you just ignored my Fairphone example?

I can see you are not really interested in discussing the topic, but more interested in fighting a fight.

pango 2014-09-01 09:30
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1437880)
ahhhahhaa :D

When reading those comments I see that people are still bitching out even as the company gives out a tad more info about shipping schedules.

Being "more open" seems not satisfy all people, huh?
I never said transparency was a easy or an instant cure, you can read that even in my message - the parts you simply left out from your quote.

Not have I ever said transparency would satisfy all, but read this comment for example, when a complaint was countered with a personal reply and info:

Quote:
Hi joemier,

reading my message again and feeling like being one more of ******ish spoiled child... So my apologies for the tone of my message, was unnecessarily condescending... :-(

In any case, thanks for the good news! :-)
This is how you turn people around.

Thinking back to the Jolla pre-order thread here on TMO. How many people working that Excel, miffed about the sudden delays and DNA and whatnot, would have appreciated that from Jolla.

No? No extra love for that from Jolla?

I think there would have been plenty of extra love for Jolla.

gerbick 2014-09-01 09:33
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
You clearly didn't read the disgruntled folks that are complaining about it not being open and transparent enough despite best intentions.

Face it, no matter how clear the communication, you'll have somebody that'll state it's still not enough or it's not how they'll do things. Good thing, they can create their own endeavors and run it as they see fit.

In the end, your link actually satisfies my true point; you can't make every geek happy.

And that's only 1. I asked for 2.

Thanks in advance.

fk_lx 2014-09-01 09:37
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1437874)
Such as...

1.
2.

Fill in the blanks.
He gave example of Fairphone. You obviously not reading the posts. It also seems that Fairphone sold the similar amount or even more units than Jolla already.

pango 2014-09-01 09:43
Re: Discussing JollaOy strategy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1437884)
You clearly didn't read the disgruntled folks that are complaining about it not being open and transparent enough despite best intentions.

Face it, no matter how clear the communication, you'll have somebody that'll state it's still not enough or it's not how they'll do things. Good thing, they can create their own endeavors and run it as they see fit.

In the end, your link actually satisfies my true point; you can't make every geek happy.
And you keep ignoring my point:

You can strike a better balance than Jolla has.

You can make more "geeks happy" than Jolla has.

That's my point. More transparency, better results. That doesn't mean neither full transparency, nor does it mean perfect results.

I read the whole Fairphone comment track. Did you? Including the parts where people turn around and appreciate the info.

You wouldn't have loved it if Jolla were as open with us as Fairphone with that example? No?


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