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haha.. unless there are very few changes, 100 pages is a bit optimistic! more like 1000 ;) :(

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And you still believe them? :) Most likely it will come out in the near future, however, people are not waiting for the new features but to be able to use extras-devel again. IMHO it was a very bad decision to upgrade the build engines without releasing the firmware, they could have instead created a new repo for the developers to play with.

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This is getting REALLY anoying, not because the software didnt showed up, but because i have some third party programs wich i cant upgrade, because the requirements include some packages from the PR1.2 release. :mad:

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

You can use extras-devel, I do:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=15

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

I could also extract the package and copy the files by hand, but that's not the point. The point is they broke something by design, and let it be broken indefinitely (=release of PR1.2). I know extras-devel is not a playground for newbies, but right now, it cannot be used for anything, which is bad. I like the bleeding edge on my computer and i'm not afraid of fixing something broken, but this cannot be fixed by anyone and that's what bothers me most.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

If you change the shlibs requirements, anyone can use it. Yes, it was broken by design, but it can be fixed at least.

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@Zoi

I find that post very funny. You like to live on the bleeding edge, but can't be bothered to circumvent obstacles? That's like saying you like adrenaline rushes but can't be bothered to get off the couch, let alone jump out of the plane...

@ Conspiracy theorists in this thread in general.

ROFL. Go outside for a bit. Enjoy the sunshine. It will all be alright, even if they are all out to get you.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Unfortunately libhildon1 is only one of the many upgrades PR1.2 contains. For example, QT 4.6.2 is not available from anywhere and since the buildserver upgrade, every app is linked against it. You could also force dependencies, but most likely it's not going to work. In short: you can't convince me that this was a good thing :)

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Well, i could write my own OS for the N900, couldn't I? :) Circumventing problems is one thing, but breaking something deliberately is another. To compare, this situation is like dispersing nails in front of the garage door. You can of course circumvent the problem, but this is not something you would generally do, right? Nokia just did that when they upgraded the build server without releasing the firmware.

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In short: shlibs.local doesn't have a bottom. :p

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I see you're pretty optimistic :) I think I'll just wait until the situation resolves itself, maybe post a couple of "dissatisifiedwiththecurrentsituation" posts if it doesn't come out in a couple of days... :)

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Actually, not quite right.

If you specify build-depends (and depends) against libqt4-maemo5-* instead of libqt4-* you're installable for the time being (though this isn't strictly speaking best practice, it's better than apps not being uninstallable).

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Yeah fair enough. It was directed more at the general subpopulation whining that they need PR1.2 so they can have the latest 1-line update version of their random app installed and you just happened to be the latest poster to seem to fall in that camp. ;)

I'm a bit surprised how long it has taken since the autobuilder change, but i think stskeeps xfade is, too, or he wouldn't have done it.

Here's the story.

All i can say is there are going to be some really disappointed people when PR1.2 comes around, judging by this thread.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Will PR1.2 do my laundry?

If not, I don't care when it comes out.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

You're getting people mixed up. I have no access to the maemo.org infrastructure whatsoever (.. and occasionally I am very happy I don't have that responsibility)

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Oops, sorry Mr. Distmaster. I can't recall who handles the m.o stuff if not you.

Yeah, i imagine so.

Edit: Here we go. Niels Breet AKA xfade, the webmaster.

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ch/025668.html

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

It doesn't matter who did it or who didn't, Stskeeps don't worry, nobody's accusing you because everybody knows it was Nokia, not you :)

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I think you will find the problems with the long awaited 1.2 update is the bugs when being tested this is why Nokia obviously have not got it right yet, looking at the table of fixes they are emmense and to actually finalise an update that does not conflict within itself is obviously giving Nokia a huge probem otherwise they would have released it long time now.
Nokia as a company will obviously have a marketing and p.r team, THIS is where anyone should be contacting and i am pretty damm sure there has to be a reason they are not even giving out a statement of any kind direct to N900 users.
I am sure Nokia realise by now they are playing with fire on the N900 and if it were my company i would want to make damm sure i got this much much needed update right before public release.
The only answer i dont have is WHY they have not given a direct statement of any kind to the owners of the N900, they must care about us but have a weird way of showing it to say the least.
Unfortnatly i dont have any influence or inside contacts whatsoever in Nokia but i am wondering if there is someone on this very community that does, if so i think the time has now come to assert some pressure on Nokia to at least if nothing else give out a public statement because as far as i can see and i have been quiet for a while now on this thread because i have been asking some of my contacts on there thoughts etc etc WHY is Nokia being blind to the loss of faith in there very own company because that is very very apparent now as to what is happening.
May i suggest something here that EVERYONE puts together an email and direct it to the P.R or any dept you feel is best for your complaint to Nokia asking if they will give a public statement regarding the release of this much wanted update.
It really is pointless ranting on and on about it on THIS forum because it is falling on deaf ears, all thoughts and worries etc should be adressed directly to Nokia NOT to Maemo.Org as it is has proven pointless to date to get any answer from Nokia direct.
This community if for the benefit of advancement on future software input to be looked at by Nokia themselves, it does no way have any push on Nokia direct as far as i can see.
At first i was like the majority of members on here and got mad, now i am doing some serious thinking and making serious enquires about Nokia as a company.
Remember this ... YOU paid Nokia for the right to own your N900 YOU have the right to complain because YOU pay Nokia and every Nokia employee there salary !.
So now everyone do some serious thinking and do something positive in the direction it should be done, DONT sell your N900 because it is the best mobile ever to hit this world for many many reasons that you obviously have failed to see.
Thats my thoughts after a few days of serious enquires and i just hope it puts peoples mind in the right direction for answers to be got from this somewhat mad situation.
PS sorry for the obvious typo's i just dont want to correct.

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You have written a huge post from the point of view that Nokia could be a company that has a record of customer service and engagement. As with the usb connector problem, Nokia isn't one bit interested in you once it has your money. However, it is very interested in making more money from other people. If you really want a response from Nokia about anything you need get a few people together and email blogs like Engadget, a story on there would panic Nokia into releasing a statement. Otherwise you can sit in the dark with everyone else.

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Sorry, you are in Austria - happy exclusion.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Why dont you read my post PROPERLY before giving out a comment !i quote my own words here : So now everyone do some serious thinking and do something positive in the direction it should be done, that means EVERYBODY not just me as a single person.... omg.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Ok, here's a comment. Jump off your high horse. I've seen you make the same sort of reply 3 or 4 times on different threads here now, people are very capable of reading your posts properly.

Now I'll go ask my boss if I can take the rest of the day off to "do some serious thinking" on this firmware release before I respond to your post PROPERLY. But not just me! EVERYBODY! And.. do it PROPERLY!

.. omg

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

PR 1.2 is serious business.

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Then you must have all the answers everyone is looking for aye ! HIGH HORSE ? do you know anything at all about helping someone or are you just jelous because i have made some simple valid points and it never occured to you to try and be HELPFUL, no wonder we have wars in this world is all i can say !.

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Dear me :confused:

Yes.. I'm insanely jealous of your incredible points.. please go take the rest of your medicine, and maybe double the dosage
...


Right back to the 1.2 release. It's coming tomorrow. I got the feeling in my bones again. Yesterday was just the arthritis, tomorrow is the real deal folks. Your uncle Kojacker won't let you down... again..

If i keep saying it, one of these days Ive got to be right :cool:

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

neah, thursday :)))

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Oh dear i just realised by the time of your post i shoiuld never have commented on your backlash of my post, ha your yet another load mouth yank... oh dear i rest my case... ok you have the hight set and keep it.. your more than welcome cos no way i want it ha.

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

You Guys should seriously calm down, no matter what we do its not going to make the release of PR1.2 any faster ;)

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well, today I've decided that the N900 is a no go. I got it saturday, and today when I was coming from work, my parents call me on Skype. the phone started ringing and ringing, and I've pressed the answer button on the headphones, but nothing, and I keep pressing them. in the end I've managed to get the phone out, unplug the headphone and answer. I took a while and almost braked my neck. Then I've tried to stop the music and lock the screen so I could place it in my pocket. It was so hard, I almost felt.
This is a deal breaker for me, so I've called my carrier, told him that I can't use the phone, although I though I could, this case I wasn't predicting, not being able to talk on skype via headphones.
And since I have a 2 weeks period when I can decide I don't want it I decided to return it before making more costs (data/sms/calls) which will make it impossible to cancel my subscription, which cost "an arm and a leg".
N900 is an awesome device, especially if you commute and stuff, it's amazing, and I'm a little upset for that, but with P.R. 1.2 being waited for a while and missing portrait mode... nokia will loose costumers, and even if you might tell that that it's not true, the less technical ones will go with Apple and the more average joe which hates Apple will go with Android.

If nokia starts actually making phones for us and not unfinished prototypes, I will probable get back, hell even if he makes the N900 what it should be I'll buy it for good this time. But right now, it's like nokia takes us for stupid, with the from VGA camera which is useless (this pisses me the most), with the missing USSD, with the MMS, calendar, etc. I know I can live without, but why should I. why should a user create a program to do a basic function which the old 1100 knows how to do, instead of creating an amazing app to use the power of this little monster. Nokia need to get his act together or he will loose a lot of customers. I know some of the missing stuff will be added by nokia in P.R. 1.2 but why should we wait until then? we paid for something at the beginning and we get it in rates.
I'll probable still hang around here, hoping that nokia will get his act together and will make the N900 what it should be, the best phone there is.
Until then, back to my E51

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

How dare you! I am a loud mouth Brit.

o..k... :confused:

Back to 1.2 speculation :)

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Donde esta la actualizacion de este software? lol !!!!!! may be in spanish they will attend our request for the update.

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LOL dont panic its the norm between us limeys n yanks lol we love to have a bit of banter now and then,,, am sooo used to it i got it married into my family .... ha ha ha.

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OOOOPS Kojacker lmao oh well at least you admit it lol anyhow have a great day .

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I am so sorry you almost braked your neck :(

No wonder you will not wait for PR1.2. Necks should not be braked.

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lmaoooooooooooooo oh that was sooooo funnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

So you guys think PR1.2 is going to be something spectacular

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date
 

Well i have a feeling it had better be something spectacular or i think a few people to say the least are gonna smash there N900 to millions of pieces lol. The feelings are obviously VERY VERY high right now.

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Yeah something just tells me its going to be a while before its released, Nokia is holding it back for some kind of reason

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Probably not, just better browser and a lot of fixes.
Does'nt stop me wanting it though:D

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LOL, I heard its going to have flash player 10 support, and you can build your own apps