maemo.org - Talk - Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

You don't need monthly/weekly/daily data. You just need to analyze available data unbiased, unlike TA. His reading of Q data is to support his vision of triumphant Symbian. Good for him. Just checked, leak was on Friday 4th of Feb, you're right, not half of Feb, the press release was 8th/9th as the damage was already done by the leak. Now, if Tomi's reading with comprehension, with constant steady growth in sales (the super growth theory) 2/3 of a Q would account for a drop in growth. His interpretation would need some below zero sales.

You're not taking into account seasonality (I would expect Q4 figures to be higher than the following Q1 because of Xmas) and the likely impact of the closing of the Symbian Foundation in the middle of Q4, carriers and retailers already smelling something is in the air. I don't know what NOKIA's lead time is to carriers/retailers but it wouldn't surprise me if this was actually the initial trigger for orders drying up rather than the memo. If you're not in business you might be surprised how closely companies monitor the activities of their major suppliers.

You are extrapolating the growth in Q4 over the first month of Q1 so that you can say we couldn't possibly have seen such a rate of decline in month 2 and month 3 but I wouldn't see that as a likely scenario anyway, I would not expect to see a straight line of growth from Q4 carrying on through January. I would only expect January to outperform December if Xmas didn't go so well and there was a lot of excess inventory to be disposed of at a discount (many retailers only make a profit in the four weeks before Xmas).

It's ironic you accuse TA of biased analysis whilst relying on a speculative assumption to try and prove your own point.

I don't know if uninterrupted straight line growth is what TA would have expected to see, you seem much more interested in his opinions than I am. I think you'll find I didn't quote opinions or forecasts from his blog, just the facts. Any opinions I express will be my own.

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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1313433)

Yeah, second to something that was 3 times younger, see a problem with that?

But bigger than Android's which has now become the primary platform and much bigger than Windows Phone's which is what replaced it. Comparing Ovi to Apple's app store is a red herring, NOKIA did not adopt iOS.

Why haven't you directly addressed the issue of NOKIA exclusively adopting Windows Phone?

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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1313433)

Yeah, sold out in 2hrs is astroturfing...

Unless we know how many they had to sell it means very little.

Lumiaman

2013-01-10 23:33

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1313510)

You keep perseverating on a lost platform. Were you fired from Symbian? Did you not see the writing on the wall and didnt jump the ship on time? Were you myopic in your vision?

Then blame pre-Elop NOKIA and their complacency. They just screwed up and did it big.

danramos

2013-01-11 07:54

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313294)

Very well done by nokia! I can already hear Elops speach at MWC :D Lumia this, Lumia that, trancistion, we not there yet...inovation and ecosystem :D

Where is Lumiaman? I wan't to celebrate with him :)

Just a few more:
s/speach/speech/
s/trancistion/transition/
s/inovation/innovation/

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313324)

I want to trade all my thanks to the moderater who catch Lumiaman and daperl and but them in the same thread for a week, no interference by others. I think they have to beef it out.

I've never heard the expression 'beef it out'.. and it sounds vaguely hilarious. :)

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1313516)

You keep perseverating on a lost platform.

He wasn't talking about Windows Phone. :)

Dave999

2013-01-11 08:35

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Thank you.

Beef it out was created by me and I'm positive you can find it in the latest books about English next year.

And it comes from operation beef it out.

gerbick

2013-01-11 09:11

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313615)

Thank you.

Beef it out was created by me and I'm positive you can find it in the latest books about English next year.

And I comes from operation beef it out.

Wow. This sobered me up.

Dave999

2013-01-11 09:17

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1313628)

Wow. This sobered me up.

That is great too. whats your poison?

By the way? Can we merge the to lets talk stock threads. I see no reason to have two?

Cue	2013-01-11 16:16

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313629)

That is great too. whats your poison?

By the way? Can we merge the to lets talk stock threads. I see no reason to have two?

The moderators would have to beef it out. Since one of them closed that thread and others are letting this one live on.

uTMY	2013-01-11 16:20

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All the time Specc and Lumiaman are jousting in here it keeps them occupied and out of mischief elsewhere.

rgds

Lumiaman

2013-01-11 19:08

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Go Nokia!!! Another 6% up!

Lumiaman

2013-01-11 20:22

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where are the haters!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahhaha....oh my, the symbian and android lovers are getting it from behind baby!

Cue	2013-01-11 20:49

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1313865)

where are the haters!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahhaha....oh my, the symbian and android lovers are getting it from behind baby!

If you are any indication then I'm not surprised. However if you are putting this down to "Lumia sales" you would be mistaken. It's mainly from Nokia Siemens, major cutbacks and from a victory from a lawsuit with RIMM. Devices and Services would still be struggling without it.

Lumiaman

2013-01-11 21:04

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hey dude, let me celebrate a little, why are you always raining on NOKIA stock....give them a little break!

danramos

2013-01-12 17:16

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1313877)

hey dude, let me celebrate a little, why are you always raining on NOKIA stock....give them a little break!

Celebration and flaim-baiting! Just for Lumiaman! :)
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...37221871_n.jpg

Lumiaman

2013-01-12 19:34

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Heheheheh....thanks dumby, I love my Lumia 920, that Ubuntu phone looks good though.

thedead1440

2013-01-12 20:12

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1314178)

I love my Lumia 920

You keep profusing your undying love and affection for a piece of hardware to prove what exactly? You use your iPhone as your daily driver and have complained about the things lacking in the L920 but still you parrot the same thing for what purpose?

At least those people who you complain about being fanboys actually use the stuff they praise unlike you.

Actually you are a very good indicator of why WP isn't gaining market share; if you didn't have the means, you would have most probably returned your WP as it is lacking for you just like other WP-fanboys who go all over forums, blogs etc and proclaim the re-birth of Jesus as WP but don't actually use it or have it :)

In other words, troll is over-used on you when you are an astro-turfer in the truest sense :)

Lumiaman

2013-01-12 23:23

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What did you smoke today?

MINKIN2

2013-01-13 00:12

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1304168)

Google has no plans to develop Windows 8 or WP apps, cites lack of users

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/g...ws-phone-apps/

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1304873)

Google drops a Gmail-shaped bomb on Windows*Phone

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/12/1...-windows-phone

Last week google was redirecting wp away from maps...

This week Google are creating havoc for wp users by redirecting YOUTUBE links

http://www.wpcentral.com/problems-go...-windows-phone

marxian

2013-01-13 01:33

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MS:

http://t.imgbox.com/acu3jVdQ.jpg

Google:

http://t.imgbox.com/adbUVEbg.jpg

gerbick

2013-01-13 04:13

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Seems like Microsoft's ecosystem is hurt by limitations to Google's ecosystem.

The irony of that isn't lost on me.

Lumiaman

2013-01-13 05:49

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1314262)

Seems like Microsoft's ecosystem is hurt by limitations to Google's ecosystem.

The irony of that isn't lost on me.

This is a comment I copied from someone who dislikes Samsung:

Those Samsung craps make me sick. Those who buy those droid ugly staff must have an iq below that of a monkey.

You exactly express my feelings. Samsung just floods the market with cheap plastic and poory copied designs. How they can offload that many garbage is just beyond me… It clearly shows that consumers are just sheeps and follow the hype without judging for themselves.

gerbick

2013-01-13 06:47

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1314274)

Actually, you misread what I meant.

I'll simplify. If Microsoft has a truly all encompassing ecosystem, then they would not be so reliant on Google for features - maps, mail, music, videos. But as it stands, Microsoft isn't able to fully stand on their own it seems.

So selling Nokia on ecosystem, it was one that was propped up by access to Google's offerings.

Once that's been taken away, Microsoft is being measured and found lacking.

daperl

2013-01-13 14:17

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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1314231)

Last week google was redirecting wp away from maps...

This week Google are creating havoc for wp users by redirecting YOUTUBE links

http://www.wpcentral.com/problems-go...-windows-phone

According to the comments, it seems the phone out smarts itself, and it might not be a Google/Microsoft issue. Users say that installing the YouTube "app" and clearing the browser cookies and cache fixes things.

Lumiaman

2013-01-13 15:00

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Why would anyone buy copycat droid is beyond me. Talk about plagiarism by Google. They stole from Apple. Big time, I could never own such craap.

Lumiaman

2013-01-13 15:14

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I was reading Tomi Ahonen tweets today (yes, very bored), and I wonder if he carries a psych diagnosis, schizo or bipolar. He needs to see Silver Lining movie...may do him some good

Lumiaman

2013-01-13 15:37

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I found this interesting reading from ex Nokian...

http://dominiescommunicate.wordpress...n-tomi-ahonen/

daperl

2013-01-13 15:47

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Did Nokia really need to get in bed with Microsoft?

http://allthingsd.com/20130113/nokia.../?mod=atdtweet

Maybe they needed a new CEO, but Nokia could have done much better than Elop.

daperl

2013-01-13 19:02

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Ha ha ha, did everyone see how Lumiadork got owned?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314421

Dave999

2013-01-13 19:06

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1314470)

Ha ha ha, did everyone see how Lumiadork got owned?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314421

Who cares?

daperl

2013-01-13 19:16

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314471)

Who cares?

Coming from the Diarrhea Poster himself. Excellent!

Dave999

2013-01-13 19:31

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1314474)

Coming from the Diarrhea Poster himself. Excellent!

That might be true. But I'm trying to not get personal and making fun of other humans(other than myself) . If you want to say somthing to me, Lumiaman or any other member, say it. But working as a cheerleader is simply lame.

daperl

2013-01-13 19:38

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314478)

Again, you commenting on the posting habits of others is priceless. Give tmo a break. Thanks!

Dave999

2013-01-13 19:42

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1314483)

Again, you commenting on the posting habits of others is priceless. Give tmo a break. Thanks!

Thank you, that's my job. We need to have some boundaries. So you putting your own posts higher than mine?

daperl

2013-01-13 19:47

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314484)

We need to have some boundaries.

In your case, we need a max number of posts per day. So, by my calculations, you can't post again till April. See you then!

Dave999

2013-01-13 19:53

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1314485)

In your case, we need a max number of posts per day. So, by my calculations, you can't post again till April. See you then!

Your post are so much better than mine. Keep it up. See you April.

daperl

2013-01-13 20:07

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314486)

See you April.

Cool, thanks for your compliance. Tmo will surely enjoy the noise-free next few months. Enjoy your vacation!

marxian

2013-01-13 20:19

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1314478)

working as a cheerleader is simply lame.

A sign of the times. Sadly, some people feel some kind of emotional connection to corporations, and are prepared to enter battle on their behalf. GO TEAM APPLE! NO, GO TEAM GOOGLE! NO, GO TEAM MS!

What next? Rollerball?

gerbick

2013-01-13 23:04

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Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1314496)

What next? Rollerball?

Death Race... sponsored by Nokia® Connecting People™

Lumiaman

2013-01-13 23:27

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I doubt anyone here is loyal to one or that company. Seems like everyone has had several devices from different manufacturers. But this is a stock thread, we are loyal to our money, no matter what the color of the horse!

marxian

2013-01-13 23:59

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1314536)

Death Race... sponsored by Nokia® Connecting People™

I'm not sure that 'Connecting People' is in the true spirit of Death Race. How about this:

http://t.imgbox.com/abv7av7u.jpg

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