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aironeous 2013-05-14 01:26
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According to wikipedia

--
On December 10, 2012, ST-Ericsson announced that STMicroelectronics will leave the joint venture after a transition period making Ericsson the full owner of the Company.[5]

On December 20, 2012, Ericsson announced that they will not buy the remaining 50% stake that STMicroelectronics held. The future for the company therefore remains uncertain.[6]
--

Also
Nova A9540 cancelled
NovaThor L9540 cancelled
NovaThor L8540 cancelled
NovaThor L8580 cancelled

So what is the Jolla phone going to use?

Also here is jolla weibo http://www.weibo.com/jollaofficial

Also alternative for previous posted GMIC video of Marc
http://v.qq.com/page/v/a/8/v0012qi03a8.html
or
http://www.jollausers.com/2013/05/wa...ith-new-icons/

Also is this some pics snapped at GMIC of Chinese Sailfish? They seem to be indicating something about the icons.
http://android.pandaapp.com/news/051...l#.UZGWOkmsqk0

m4r0v3r 2013-05-14 01:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1343406)
Many devs were unwilling to commit (any) dev time to porting existing Qt based applications for the N9 for a number of reasons, the N9 Stillbirth being one of them. Issues with the Nokia SDK build machine, the absolute SHITE state of the nokia app store and hopeless distribution system, not to mention the wait for payments.....
Add to that, a complete lack of advertising for the platform and absolutely NO incentives by Nokia, and there's why.

It's not a matter of hate for ACL (a few purists excluded) but genuine interest and concern for the means of integration with the core OS and UX, which are all valid.

ACL (like Android Player for BB10) is another tool and provides a little bit of leverage for any fence sitters who may be holding back on purchasing because they can't publicly distribute a photo of some stirfry they bought from a street vendor in Bangkok.....
That last bit you say like hardly any real applications will be missing, when I saw real I mean actual useful applications. But we'll see, sure it'll more likely then not encourage lazy devs but everything comes with a pro and con, the end user shouldn't care so much because as long as the app works they can't complain and devs get to write in whatever they please

onethreealpha 2013-05-14 01:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1343410)
That last bit you say like hardly any real applications will be missing, when I saw real I mean actual useful applications. But we'll see, sure it'll more likely then not encourage lazy devs but everything comes with a pro and con, the end user shouldn't care so much because as long as the app works they can't complain and devs get to write in whatever they please
Mate, I'm not saying anything. I don't represent Jolla and can only speculate on what Jolla's Sailfish OS based hardware will ship with.
I emphasise Jolla's device and not any other OEM or vendor device that may or may not ship with Sailfish OS.
As for missing applications. define "real" applications.
your concept and mine may be entirely different.
From demonstration builds, it would appear that SNS (FB, twitter et al) are already baked in, along with a browser, media player and email client of some sort. I have glimpsed a terminal app and a number of games as well.
as for other applications, you need to remember that Mer is based on Meego. Meego OBS is still seeing a lot of action, primarily by Mer and Sailfish contributors as well as apps and revisions from the the broader community (including Maemo and Meego Devs).
it's safe to say that the broader community and even most who are already building and developing on the SDK don't have any clear direction yet as to how apps will be distributed, but i have no doubt that will come in due course.
perhaps you could start a thread detailing which apps you would like to see come to Sailfish?
On that alone, one could then start contacting the devs to encourage them to port/build accordingly

aironeous 2013-05-14 02:09
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Some Chinese GMIC coverage. Plug this url
http://www.pingwest.com/selfish-os-j...new-ecosystem/

into google translate http://translate.google.com/

Also don't know if this was posted yet
Wayland utilizing Android GPU drivers on glibc based systems, Part 2 <---- lots of technical terms

Jordi 2013-05-14 03:51
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1 Attachment(s)
We do not know which chipset they are using but they stated in March:

jalyst 2013-05-14 03:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1343406)
It's not a matter of hate for ACL (a few purists excluded) but genuine interest and concern for the means of integration with the core OS and UX, which are all valid.
Perhaps you've missed some of the earlier posts in this thread...
There's disdain for a ACL being part of the equation from quite a few users, some of them high-profile/respected members.
I can see their point, but I still don't 100% agree with their logic...

Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1343413)
Also don't know if this was posted yet
Wayland utilizing Android GPU drivers on glibc based systems, Part 2 <---- lots of technical terms
I was going to post that but figured it'd be incomprehensible for most users here, I know it was largely for me :)

Dave999 2013-05-14 04:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1343401)
Marc Dillon answers: Why Jolla?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqS8MbMFVU


Jolla's Marc Dillon on QWERTY smartphones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0btrtQ5Fc





This is great news!


Edit:
The whole interview will be online tomorrow (Tuesday)
This sounds great but I doubt kolla have the guts to do it :(

jalyst 2013-05-14 04:30
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I hope they don't, unless it's some kind modular qwerty keyb tech, better than what Surface does ideally.

onethreealpha 2013-05-14 04:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1343421)
Perhaps you've missed some of the earlier posts in this thread...
There's disdain for a ACL being part of the equation from quite a few users, some of them high-profile/respected members.
I can see their point, but I still don't 100% agree with their logic...



I was going to post that but figured it'd be incomprehensible for most users here, I know it was largely for me :)
purists :rolleyes:

this is a part of Carsten Munk's amazing work around libhybris. great potential for utilisation of existing android stuff in a non android environment (& vice verse)

jalyst 2013-05-14 05:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1343424)
purists :rolleyes:
They do have some good points, for me though, their total argument just doesn't add up.

Quote:
this is a part of Carsten Munk's amazing work around libhybris. great potential for utilisation of existing android stuff in a non android environment
That much I know... :)

qwazix 2013-05-14 05:30
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It's not about purity. It's about quality and the fact that on the N9xx almost whatever you download is at least acceptable. BB10 is the realization of acl fear. Half of the apps on blackberry world are so bad ports that they are actually unusable and have to be uninstalled (possibly after they collect a bunch of your info). By unusable I mean literally, like controls outside of the screen, too small text etc.

onethreealpha 2013-05-14 06:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1343429)
It's not about purity. It's about quality and the fact that on the N9xx almost whatever you download is at least acceptable. BB10 is the realization of acl fear. Half of the apps on blackberry world are so bad ports that they are actually unusable and have to be uninstalled (possibly after they collect a bunch of your info). By unusable I mean literally, like controls outside of the screen, too small text etc.
My comment was a bit of tongue in cheek :)
I wouldn't agree that BB10 is the realization of acl fear.
the issues with BB10's android player are twofold; the fact that it's using gingerbread and thus limits the functionality and feature richness of some android ports to that which was available on the 2.3 builds and the laziness of devs who chose to use the auto packaging functionality of the SDK rather than port their native code over and rebuild using cascades (or an appropriate alternative within the SDK available).
I also strongly believe that a lot of the junk android ports (both native and those brough over from the ndk are from amatuers/beginners who merely downloaded code from various public repos and though they might make a quick buck, either froom the incentive options or BBworld sales.
ACL is different kettle of fish, and my only concern lies with how they will implement and integrate native Sailfish UI funcionality when running android apps through this layer

mariusmssj 2013-05-14 07:00
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Marc Dillon on qwerty smartphones

as you can hear Jussi Hurmola is there as well

Hacker 2013-05-14 07:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1343429)
It's not about purity. It's about quality and the fact that on the N9xx almost whatever you download is at least acceptable. BB10 is the realization of acl fear. Half of the apps on blackberry world are so bad ports that they are actually unusable and have to be uninstalled (possibly after they collect a bunch of your info). By unusable I mean literally, like controls outside of the screen, too small text etc.
I have had a completely different experience on BB10, though everyone here certainly wants Sailfish's Android approach to be as good as possible. But to be fair, as of March 2013, BB World had 80% native apps and 20% that were Android Ports; and of the Android ports, I've never downloaded a single one with the problems you describe. Sideloaded Android apps I use on the Z10, like Netflix and Instagram, definitely work and definitely add value. Ported apps downloaded directly from BB World also worked well for me, though slight slow performance was sometimes observed with all ports.

I'm not sure of Sailfish's Android approach, but I think BB10 gives me confidence that the job can be done reasonably well--and 4.x compatibility being on the way this year for BB10 makes me think the same could be true for Sailfish.

jalyst 2013-05-14 07:59
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You sure on those percentages? I was sure they reached their large app count thanks to a larger % of Android apps than that.
I just hope Sailfish's implementation is better, or at the very least that it's comparable to BBX's...
If it's worse, then they've wasted a lot of time/resources/energy when they could've taken a different tack.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1343444)
As you can hear Jussi Hurmola is there as well
How do you know that's Jussi? Isn't it just a Finnish journalist?

mikecomputing 2013-05-14 08:17
Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1343401)
Marc Dillon answers: Why Jolla?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqS8MbMFVU


Jolla's Marc Dillon on QWERTY smartphones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0btrtQ5Fc


This is great news!


Edit:
The whole interview will be online tomorrow (Tuesday)
I still say the first device is NOT QWERTY but maybe later.

mikecomputing 2013-05-14 08:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343325)
Well, that's a start, but that's not the whole Sailfish yet. We are yet to see what will happen to the rest of the system, and especially core applications like e-mail client and the rest.
I doubt the apps like browser, mediaplayer, email will be open.

But atleast the apps that need to be updated and plugins for X/Y/Z webservice SHOULD be open. So we don't get same **** problems as in the case of N9 where dropbox plugin doesnt work since dropboxAPI changes. (Not using it myself but saw thread about this issue on TMO)

HtheB 2013-05-14 09:58
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The whole interview with Marc Dillon with interesting questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fX1-Y9AdQ

Kangal 2013-05-14 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1343459)
You sure on those percentages? I was sure they reached their large app count thanks to a larger % of Android apps than that.
I just hope Sailfish's implementation is better, or at the very least that it's comparable to BBX's...
If it's worse, then they've wasted a lot of time/resources/energy when they could've taken a different tack.
I think the BB CEO came out and said it.
Didn't give exact percentages but said something "roughly".

In any case, lets understate and say 70% are ports (Native, Qt, or otherwise) and 30% are Android Apps.

That's still a great figure. Especially when you factor in it surpasses 100,000. In fact, its phenomenal for a new start-up ecosystem.

Compared to WP8 which has about 150,000 all native apps, and more "top tier" Apps. But that took MS about 2 years to obtain.

The way I look at it as a point system:

Windows 7 - 90/100 (many AAA and indie "Apps" and Games, not touch friendly)
iOS - 60/100 (many AAA and some indie Apps, very polished)
Android - 45/100 (some AAA and many indie Apps, not quite polished)
PS3/Xbox - 40/100 (many AAA and few indie Apps/Games, very polished)
WP8 - 25/100 (few AAA and some indie Apps, quite polished)
Blackberry - 15/100 (few AAA and few indie Apps, not quite polished)

ranbaxy 2013-05-14 10:25
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Sailfish UI leaked?

The new Sailfish phone UI leaked, May 20 will showcase the the first Sailfish phone, the screen not less than 5 inches.

http://www.newcellphonesblog.com/wp-...fish-phone.png

http://www.newcellphonesblog.com/wp-...h-phone-02.png

http://www.newcellphonesblog.com/wp-...h-phone-03.png

http://www.newcellphonesblog.com/wp-...h-phone-04.png

don_falcone 2013-05-14 10:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1343505)
Sailfish UI leaked?

The new Sailfish phone UI leaked, May 20 will showcase the the first Sailfish phone, the screen not less than 5 inches.
...sometimes smaller is... really better. (something along 4.3'')

qwazix 2013-05-14 11:01
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Five inches with the keyboard open or closed? :P

Sorrow 2013-05-14 11:04
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Phew. So, doubts are over. I'll continue using N9 for another year at least.

onethreealpha 2013-05-14 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1343514)
...sometimes smaller is... really better. (something along 4.3'')
I have a HTC One X laying around somewhere. It's right on the ragged edge of sigle handed use for me so on that basis, 4.7 is about my limit. Of course this also depends on the bezel. The Z10 "feels" bigger than the One X to hold even with a smaller screen...
The real estate is certainly nice in landscape though :)

nodevel 2013-05-14 11:44
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I have already saved up money for the device, but if it is ~5", I guess I'll spend it on my summer vacation instead.

I'm disappointed...

Althought I still hope these rumors ain't true.

nodevel 2013-05-14 11:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1343505)
Sailfish UI leaked?

The new Sailfish phone UI leaked, May 20 will showcase the the first Sailfish phone, the screen not less than 5 inches.
Where is the leak?
These images are from the Beijing presentation (so no leak there, check out the video) and Marc says during the discussion that it was the N950.

mariusmssj 2013-05-14 15:26
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Did anyone else thought that the new looking version of sailfish was not as smooth? I think they added some kind of new features which in my guess possibly could be for the new dual(+) core device.

Dave999 2013-05-14 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1343444)
Marc Dillon on qwerty smartphones

as you can hear Jussi Hurmola is there as well
How do we know its Jussi? No presentation in the beginning...I think you making stuff up :D

I want that qwerty so bad, preferably in a disc shaped device, but any device with qwerty would do.

My Vote? 5 inch HD slide qwerty! Oh yeah baby...

jalyst 2013-05-14 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1343505)
Sailfish UI leaked?
The new Sailfish phone UI leaked, May 20 will showcase the the first Sailfish phone, the screen not less than 5 inches.
Please try to make more sense, how does this demonstrate that the screen is not less than 5"?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1343560)
I want that qwerty so bad, preferably in a disc shaped device, but any device with qwerty would do.
I'm with you, Dave, disc phone would be the Nirvana we've all be dreaming of...

The Wizard of Huz 2013-05-14 16:19
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What is this disc phone people are talking of?
Where does these rumors come from?
Why would you want a circular smartphone? Looks awful to hold IMO.

I just want to know. I am not being sarcastic.

shmerl 2013-05-14 16:28
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Where is the 5" info coming from?

Hariainm 2013-05-14 16:28
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On every post I see the same. OpenMobile ACL IS NOT Myriad Alien Dalvik. Jolla will use the latter. Those are different companies, different technology. I know it stands for Android Compatibity Layer, but please talk properly and don't mess the things.

Eztran 2013-05-14 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343574)
Where is the 5" info coming from?
Engadget, after a quick glimpse of what may be the device.

shmerl 2013-05-14 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eztran (Post 1343577)
Engadget, after a quick glimpse of what may be the device.
I'd dismiss it until May 20. Too speculative.

Hacker 2013-05-14 17:00
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eztran (Post 1343577)
Engadget, after a quick glimpse of what may be the device.
In the interview linked to above, Dillon said that the device in the conference video WAS the actual Sailfish device. I think that he was talking about the same device Engadget based its estimate on. But whether it is 4.5" or 5 inches is still a guess.

mikecomputing 2013-05-14 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacker (Post 1343583)
In the interview linked to above, Dillon said that the device in the conference video WAS the actual Sailfish device. I think that he was talking about the same device Engadget based its estimate on. But whether it is 4.5" or 5 inches is still a guess.
Naah, what he showed was upcoming Nokia Lumia phone.

jalyst 2013-05-14 18:53
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Nah, definitely a disc phone... :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1343576)
On every post I see the same. OpenMobile ACL IS NOT Myriad Alien Dalvik. Jolla will use the latter. Those are different companies, different technology. I know it stands for Android Compatibity Layer, but please talk properly and don't mess the things.
I've been guilty of that, it's just easier to say ACL, note everyone; from now on ACL = AlienDalvik, NOT OpenACL (done by the dodgy co. that is OpenMobile).

mikecomputing 2013-05-14 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1343495)
The whole interview with Marc Dillon with interesting questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fX1-Y9AdQ
I like when he says "I think that we have 5 million supporters in Finland" Just wonder how many the looser Mr Stephen Elop@nokia has :D

jalyst 2013-05-14 18:57
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k

Finland = insignificant
Assuming their Finnish support is really that strong in the 1st place.

Morpog 2013-05-14 19:00
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I wonder if that MAD Developer icon in sailfishos SDK is short for Myriad Alien Dalvik Developer

http://abload.de/img/unbenanntfpzt3.jpg


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