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tso 2008-09-22 19:29
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 226225)
My understanding is that the current technology for multitouch disallows use of stylus (or anything other than actual fingers), due to relying on capacitive digitizers. If so, that would leave out a lot of uses (including hand writing recognition I should think). If the next-gen device is going to have multitouch I hope the technology has moved pass that limitation for sure.
i think dell has a tablet pc out now that has a multi-mode digitizer thats multi-touch when the stylus is not in use...

dafrabbit 2008-09-22 19:30
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 226225)
My understanding is that the current technology for multitouch disallows use of stylus (or anything other than actual fingers), due to relying on capacitive digitizers. If so, that would leave out a lot of uses (including hand writing recognition I should think). If the next-gen device is going to have multitouch I hope the technology has moved pass that limitation for sure.
Hrmm...not sure if that's the case- the Dell Latitude XT uses a capacitative touch screen from N-Trig and allows for stylus and touch (including multi-touch). If you're referring to simultaneous stylus and touch, then yes, I do believe you are correct.

benny1967 2008-09-22 19:30
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 226209)
Looks like there will be multi-touch, that sounded kinda certain...

EDIT: (Or at least there will be multi-touch support in Maemo 5 :))
BTW: whats the big deal with multi-touch? I have never seen one single use case for it (no, zooming images doesn't count, that's sooo 2007). Except for being cool, what could be done with a multitouch interface that I can't do now? (Given also that I use one hand to hold the device...)

dafrabbit 2008-09-22 19:34
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 226230)
BTW: whats the big deal with multi-touch? I have never seen one single use case for it (no, zooming images doesn't count, that's sooo 2007). Except for being cool, what could be done with a multitouch interface that I can't do now? (Given also that I use one hand to hold the device...)
I am inclined to agree with you - on such small devices as the ITs, I can't think of when multi-touch would be absolutely necessary. On the other hand, it would be nice to have the ability to do this. One argument for multi-touch would be that the majority of the best multi-touch applications have yet to be written and are simply waiting for hardware! ;)

I think however, that multi-touch can become a very useful input method on larger devices (e.g. desktop size or larger).

qole 2008-09-22 19:38
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 226225)
My understanding is that the current technology for multitouch disallows use of stylus (or anything other than actual fingers), due to relying on capacitive digitizers. If so, that would leave out a lot of uses (including hand writing recognition I should think). If the next-gen device is going to have multitouch I hope the technology has moved pass that limitation for sure.
Yeah, there was some discussion about this at the Summit, the problem is that there didn't seem to be any hardware guys there to answer our questions, and the Nokia software guys just shrugged, you know, not-our-problem shrugs. I was expecting Igor to show up (I thought he said he would) but ... nothing.

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 226221)
Its a cat and mouse game which, if telcos want to win, means many people will lose. Ie. ban of cryptographic protocols, or only allow specific protocols.
My feeling is that when mobile providers, currently still thinking of themselves as mobile phone providers (oh woe to you, you fools) are reduced to ISPs, they will be caught in the same situation that current ISPs are caught in; if you try to restrict protocols or bandwidth, people just go to somewhere else that provides better service.

The mobile ISPs won't be able sell these stupid voice / text / data bundles anymore, because they won't be the only provider of the voice / text services anymore. Anyone will be able to download Skype or some generic SIP client for voice, and Pidgin or some other IM client for text.

What will they be left with?

Well, they can still provide the pipes, and compete in that arena. Woe, woe to them, because that arena is bloody and dangerous, and few emerge unscathed. The shakedown will leave the market a different place.

TA-t3 2008-09-22 19:48
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by dafrabbit (Post 226229)
Hrmm...not sure if that's the case- the Dell Latitude XT uses a capacitative touch screen from N-Trig and allows for stylus and touch (including multi-touch). If you're referring to simultaneous stylus and touch, then yes, I do believe you are correct.
Isn't that using some special-made type of stylus? It would work, but be a bit limiting (right now I use the Palm stylus if the Nokia one isn't in front of me, and sometimes a nail. I actually never uses fingers, as I hate fingerprints on the display.)

benny1967 2008-09-22 19:49
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 226225)
My understanding is that the current technology for multitouch disallows use of stylus (or anything other than actual fingers), due to relying on capacitive digitizers. If so, that would leave out a lot of uses (including hand writing recognition I should think). If the next-gen device is going to have multitouch I hope the technology has moved pass that limitation for sure.
Even more so as the tablet is more than just an overpriced single-usecase-gadget (such as a PMP). It's more like a very small laptop... so leaving all those use cases out that need a stylus cripples the device to - well, to something that's already there and much cheaper.

dafrabbit 2008-09-22 19:57
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 226239)
Isn't that using some special-made type of stylus? It would work, but be a bit limiting (right now I use the Palm stylus if the Nokia one isn't in front of me, and sometimes a nail. I actually never uses fingers, as I hate fingerprints on the display.)
I'm not quite sure about this...I know on old pen-input touchscreens, special styluses were needed for the screen to register the input...but if it registers touch? Dunno.

What type of touchscreen is on the ITs currently?

allnameswereout 2008-09-22 19:59
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
I've used an iPhone and was not excited about multi-touch although I did like the ability to click on a paragraph and then zooming in on it. Very useful for the eyes and focus. It meant zero distraction (and I'm easily distracted...).

I've seen some awesome demos about touch screens for other purposes though. One where touchscreen was used to control a software synth. Another one where multi touch was used for FPS game (welcome to the war room!) :o ..but neither of these are appropriate for an internet tablet's small LCD screen.

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 226233)
My feeling is that when mobile providers, currently still thinking of themselves as mobile phone providers (oh woe to you, you fools) are reduced to ISPs, they will be caught in the same situation that current ISPs are caught in; if you try to restrict protocols or bandwidth, people just go to somewhere else that provides better service.

The mobile ISPs won't be able sell these stupid voice / text / data bundles anymore, because they won't be the only provider of the voice / text services anymore. Anyone will be able to download Skype or some generic SIP client for voice, and Pidgin or some other IM client for text.

What will they be left with?

Well, they can still provide the pipes, and compete in that arena. Woe, woe to them, because that arena is bloody and dangerous, and few emerge unscathed. The shakedown will leave the market a different place.
That is so the goal I wish for. :)

However Jerome made a good point about potential tarpits. And, if providers follow each other's restrictions...

qole 2008-09-22 19:59
Re: Dr. Ari Jaaksi on Maemo 5
 
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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 224896)
4 - A big part of the increased investment goes into hiring more developers since at the end code and pixels are essential elements of that success. Nokia is hiring a lot for Maemo. Just follow http://maemo.org/news/jobs/ or http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo - There is even a HHRR person helping out full time in the stand!
Yeah, not exactly sure what that was about. She had no info about jobs or application processes. She just said we should go to the website and apply for jobs there. Not very useful or helpful.


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